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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 14, 2018 7:57:36 GMT -6
They got him and cash considerations for one pitching prospect.... Man. I know he isn't having a great year, but he'd likely be a top-5 hitter on our current offense and under club control for a couple more years. A platoon with him and White could put up very good numbers. This from MLB.com: “Injured Blue Jays third baseman Josh Donaldson is "ramping up intensity in Florida over the next several days and, pending his tolerance to this, will begin baserunning and preparation for game play," according to a team spokesman. Donaldson hasn't played since May 28 because of a strained left calf muscle. His recovery has been extremely slow, and this marks the first time that the Blue Jays have openly started talking about a potential imminent return to game action. Gibbons previously said that once Donaldson is cleared to resume running at full intensity, it wouldn't be long before he is activated from the 60-day disabled list. Donaldson is not expected to require a lengthy rehab assignment and he'll likely receive just a few at-bats in the Minors before returning. Donaldson's imminent return could have major implications on the Blue Jays' roster. The former American League MVP is expected to be shopped before the end of the month, which is the deadline for players to be eligible for postseason play.” You and I discussed this guy a while back as a possible waiver deadline acquisition. IF he is healthy...and can remain healthy through the end of the season and playoffs....he is the one player out there who has the talent and plays with the kind of intensity that he could possibly snap the Astros’ out of the funk they are in now the way Verlander did when he was acquired last season. I read reports a while back that indicated that the Indians would claim him if he were healthy and placed on waivers in August. Can a player be placed on waivers while he is on the DL? If yes, Toronto would have been wise to place him on waivers while there was still considerable questions as to whether he would be able to return this season. There would have been a greater chance that he would not be claimed and then Toronto would be free to try and work out a trade with any team as opposed to being restricted to dealing with just one team if he were claimed. I am hoping this is what they did. I have no doubt that the Astros could offer Toronto a better deal for him than could the Indians. If Donaldson is healthy again, he would be just what we need. I am sure that he would need to pass an extensive physcial and pass it before a deal for him would be finalized. It is evident now........more than ever......that we need to get a bat in this lineup, preferably one with some pop who can drive in runs. Donaldson can do that if he's healthy again. If Luhnow fails to get a bat before the waiver deadline, he is making a huge mistake. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 14, 2018 9:20:04 GMT -6
Donaldson will be busting his tail trying to salvage/rebuild some value heading into free agency this offseason. Another reason to get him if we can.
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 14, 2018 9:25:22 GMT -6
Goodbye to Keuchel unless he accepts the QO, Marwin, Gattis, Harris, McCann .....that is a lot of money Not being spent.... That's alot of money that could be used else where. I'd you make a move to get Martinez from the Cards that's a way cheaper option the Gattis. Keuchal has looked good but he has priced his way out of Houston with Boras. I'd rather pay Cole when his time comes. Dont need McCann and you choulda trade Tucker for Realmuto while you had that chance. Ships sailed on that. Harris I tha k God he will be gone and Marwin has come on strong but where was he all year? Pass we got Tyler white and he seems to wanna stay in the majors Too soon on Tucker, bro. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 14, 2018 9:26:27 GMT -6
Donaldson will be busting his tail trying to salvage/rebuild some value heading into free agency this offseason. Another reason to get him if we can. I find it hard to believe he’ll clear waivers, but you can always hope. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 14, 2018 9:33:44 GMT -6
It is evident now........more than ever......that we need to get a bat in this lineup, preferably one with some pop who can drive in runs. Donaldson can do that if he's healthy again. If Luhnow fails to get a bat before the waiver deadline, he is making a huge mistake. They can’t keep sounding the battle cry of “Never Settle” if they’re going to hold on to hope that the team (even at full strength) can start beating tougher opponents. They’ve needed an extra bat to either be LF or DH for a while now. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Aug 14, 2018 10:03:03 GMT -6
They are settling. They didn't make a move.
There where moves to be made but.... you know the outcome.
I just dont see no one falling to us. Every team will take them just to make sure we dont.
McCutchen, Donaldson etc etc etc all are pipe dreams at this point. No one will let them slip to us.
Dutch to Yankees Donaldson to the Indians.
Just wait. Every team will snag them if there in the hunt.
Iglasias and big Joe from Minnesota should have been the grab and Pham should have been gotten before the deadline
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Post by olpapa on Aug 14, 2018 11:07:49 GMT -6
Donaldson will be busting his tail trying to salvage/rebuild some value heading into free agency this offseason. Another reason to get him if we can. I find it hard to believe he’ll clear waivers, but you can always hope. IMO the only way Donaldson would clear waivers is if he were put on waivers well before this most recent progress report and teams were unwilling to claim him not knowing whether or not he would return healthy and ready to go all out. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 14, 2018 11:09:11 GMT -6
It is evident now........more than ever......that we need to get a bat in this lineup, preferably one with some pop who can drive in runs. Donaldson can do that if he's healthy again. If Luhnow fails to get a bat before the waiver deadline, he is making a huge mistake. They can’t keep sounding the battle cry of “Never Settle” if they’re going to hold on to hope that the team (even at full strength) can start beating tougher opponents. They’ve needed an extra bat to either be LF or DH for a while now. i hope I'm wrong, but, I won't be shocked if they lose both games to the Rockies and go 0-6 for the home stand. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 14, 2018 11:11:34 GMT -6
They can’t keep sounding the battle cry of “Never Settle” if they’re going to hold on to hope that the team (even at full strength) can start beating tougher opponents. They’ve needed an extra bat to either be LF or DH for a while now. i hope I'm wrong, but, I won't be shocked if they lose both games to the Rockies and go 0-6 for the home stand. No reason to be shocked when they lose at home anymore. Opposing teams have nothing to fear coming to MMP. Clearly the Astros can’t defend their home turf. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 14, 2018 11:18:53 GMT -6
i hope I'm wrong, but, I won't be shocked if they lose both games to the Rockies and go 0-6 for the home stand. No reason to be shocked when they lose at home anymore. Opposing teams have nothing to fear coming to MMP. Clearly the Astros can’t defend their home turf. Are you trying to say the Astros players do not have this mentality: |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 14, 2018 11:27:34 GMT -6
No reason to be shocked when they lose at home anymore. Opposing teams have nothing to fear coming to MMP. Clearly the Astros can’t defend their home turf. Are you trying to say the Astros players do not have this mentality: I have no doubt that, much like the group in the video, the Astros will talk a lot of trash in advance of the invasion..., but will they turn tail and run when the invaders arrive? That is the question. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 14, 2018 11:52:27 GMT -6
Are you trying to say the Astros players do not have this mentality: I have no doubt that, much like the group in the video, the Astros will talk a lot of trash in advance of the invasion..., but will they turn tail and run when the invaders arrive? That is the question. I don't think it's lack of effort. Right now it's lack of talent. We're missing an all-star, an MVP, a premier defensive bench player (who was heating up, surprisingly), and one all-star is still rehabbing even though he is playing. If Boston lost Mookie, Bogaerts, and JD was playing at 60%, they wouldn't be winning either. We just have to hope we don't fall too behind until we get people back healthy. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 14, 2018 11:56:02 GMT -6
They got him and cash considerations for one pitching prospect.... Man. I know he isn't having a great year, but he'd likely be a top-5 hitter on our current offense and under club control for a couple more years. A platoon with him and White could put up very good numbers. This from MLB.com: “Injured Blue Jays third baseman Josh Donaldson is "ramping up intensity in Florida over the next several days and, pending his tolerance to this, will begin baserunning and preparation for game play," according to a team spokesman. Donaldson hasn't played since May 28 because of a strained left calf muscle. His recovery has been extremely slow, and this marks the first time that the Blue Jays have openly started talking about a potential imminent return to game action. Gibbons previously said that once Donaldson is cleared to resume running at full intensity, it wouldn't be long before he is activated from the 60-day disabled list. Donaldson is not expected to require a lengthy rehab assignment and he'll likely receive just a few at-bats in the Minors before returning. Donaldson's imminent return could have major implications on the Blue Jays' roster. The former American League MVP is expected to be shopped before the end of the month, which is the deadline for players to be eligible for postseason play.” You and I discussed this guy a while back as a possible waiver deadline acquisition. IF he is healthy...and can remain healthy through the end of the season and playoffs....he is the one player out there who has the talent and plays with the kind of intensity that he could possibly snap the Astros’ out of the funk they are in now the way Verlander did when he was acquired last season. I read reports a while back that indicated that the Indians would claim him if he were healthy and placed on waivers in August. Can a player be placed on waivers while he is on the DL? If yes, Toronto would have been wise to place him on waivers while there was still considerable questions as to whether he would be able to return this season. There would have been a greater chance that he would not be claimed and then Toronto would be free to try and work out a trade with any team as opposed to being restricted to dealing with just one team if he were claimed. I am hoping this is what they did. I have no doubt that the Astros could offer Toronto a better deal for him than could the Indians. If we're pretty healthy by the last few days of August, I think they have to take the gamble on him, if they can. (Or McCutchen.) A lineup of: Springer CF McCutchen LF Bregman 3B Correa SS Gattis/White DH Reddick RF Gurriel/White 1B Stassi C Kemp 2B Would be pretty good too until/if Altuve comes back. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 14, 2018 12:02:38 GMT -6
I would be interested to know what players have cleared waivers.
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 14, 2018 12:19:24 GMT -6
They can’t keep sounding the battle cry of “Never Settle” if they’re going to hold on to hope that the team (even at full strength) can start beating tougher opponents. They’ve needed an extra bat to either be LF or DH for a while now. i hope I'm wrong, but, I won't be shocked if they lose both games to the Rockies and go 0-6 for the home stand. Yeah, and then hear that we should all be happy that they’re still tied for first place. Never settle. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 14, 2018 15:11:26 GMT -6
i hope I'm wrong, but, I won't be shocked if they lose both games to the Rockies and go 0-6 for the home stand. No reason to be shocked when they lose at home anymore. Opposing teams have nothing to fear coming to MMP. Clearly the Astros can’t defend their home turf. I would hope that Hinch and his staff are trying to determine why they can't score at home. I am probably wrong, but, I think off-the-field activities are playing a huge part of it. I don't see the drive and determination they had last season. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 14, 2018 15:16:44 GMT -6
i hope I'm wrong, but, I won't be shocked if they lose both games to the Rockies and go 0-6 for the home stand. Yeah, and then hear that we should all be happy that they’re still tied for first place. Never settle. Therein lies a big part of the problem......no sense of urgency. I am sick of hearing Hinch say 'we will be fine" after each tank job at home. Well, their lead is nearly gone because of this lackadaisical attitude. The A's are super hot and are showing no signs of cooling off. Our guys keep saying "just wait until our injured players get back" while their lead continues to shrink. Also, there seems to be no timetable for Altuve coming back . Springer is probably the nearest to a return. Guys who need to step up are not. Marwin is turning things around, but, Bregman hasn't done much since the break. Gattis is back to his normal self. They need another bat. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 14, 2018 15:22:34 GMT -6
Yeah, and then hear that we should all be happy that they’re still tied for first place. Never settle. Therein lies a big part of the problem......no sense of urgency. I am sick of hearing Hinch say 'we will be fine" after each tank job at home. Well, their lead is nearly gone because of this lackadaisical attitude. The A's are super hot and are showing no signs of cooling off. Our guys keep saying "just wait until our injured players get back" while their lead continues to shrink. Also, there seems to be no timetable for Altuve coming back . Springer is probably the nearest to a return. Guys who need to step up are not. Marwin is turning things around, but, Bregman hasn't done much since the break. Gattis is back to his normal self. They need another bat. You just can’t rely on Gattis. If you must play him, bat him lower in the lineup and raise him up the order as he heats up on offense. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 14, 2018 15:31:05 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Aug 14, 2018 15:52:51 GMT -6
From MLBTR:
“Indians Place Trevor Bauer On DL With “Small Stress Fracture” In Right Fibula”
The Astros are behind this! I am sure of it!! — Trevor Bauer
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 14, 2018 15:54:22 GMT -6
No reason to be shocked when they lose at home anymore. Opposing teams have nothing to fear coming to MMP. Clearly the Astros can’t defend their home turf. Are you trying to say the Astros players do not have this mentality: The way they play at home, the clubhouse man needs to pass out those pink vagina hats before the games. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 14, 2018 15:55:08 GMT -6
From MLBTR: “Indians Place Trevor Bauer On DL With “Small Stress Fracture” In Right Fibula” The Astros are behind this! I am sure of it!! — Trevor Bauer Isn't he "Tyler" Bauer??  |
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Post by m240 on Aug 14, 2018 16:39:36 GMT -6
I would be interested to know what players have cleared waivers. I do not think that a lot of guys have made it through as yet. Not much news on them if they have. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 14, 2018 17:06:47 GMT -6
I would be interested to know what players have cleared waivers. I do not think that a lot of guys have made it through as yet. Not much news on them if they have. I read somewhere once that a lot of players get placed on waivers during August just to allow a team to get a gauge on their trade value. Most are never traded and more often than not, if the aren’t traded, the fact that they were placed on waivers is never made public. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 15, 2018 8:05:24 GMT -6
I have no doubt that, much like the group in the video, the Astros will talk a lot of trash in advance of the invasion..., but will they turn tail and run when the invaders arrive? That is the question. I don't think it's lack of effort. Right now it's lack of talent. We're missing an all-star, an MVP, a premier defensive bench player (who was heating up, surprisingly), and one all-star is still rehabbing even though he is playing. If Boston lost Mookie, Bogaerts, and JD was playing at 60%, they wouldn't be winning either. We just have to hope we don't fall too behind until we get people back healthy. The truth is, Correa and Springer were missing in action for long periods this season even before they went onto the DL. Correa batted .192 for the month of May. Springer batted .167 from June 15 through the end of July. There was no injury excuse to cover for that ineptitude. Even when they have been in the lineup they simply have not got the job done with any consistency. When Correa broke out of his May funk Springer went into his June-July funk. Mookie, Bogaerts and JD have got the job done. Those three guys combined have produced one bad month at the plate....Bogaerts .220 batting average for June. Of course, JD hit .347 and Mookie .290 in June so they covered for Bogaerts one sub-par month. I know you try try your best to present our guys in a positive light regardless of how badly they are playing. Nothing wrong with that. There comes a point; however, when you have to stop making excuses for them. Right now the team is an embarrassment. They should be ashamed to charge admission to MMP. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 15, 2018 8:32:45 GMT -6
I have no doubt that, much like the group in the video, the Astros will talk a lot of trash in advance of the invasion..., but will they turn tail and run when the invaders arrive? That is the question. I don't think it's lack of effort. Right now it's lack of talent. We're missing an all-star, an MVP, a premier defensive bench player (who was heating up, surprisingly), and one all-star is still rehabbing even though he is playing. If Boston lost Mookie, Bogaerts, and JD was playing at 60%, they wouldn't be winning either. We just have to hope we don't fall too behind until we get people back healthy. I know you’re trying to stay positive, but this team was struggling when Springer and Altuve were in the lineup. The whole team is still in this World Series haze/hangover. Correa has been fanning gentle breezes to infielders all season at the plate. Altuve has become less disciplined, and his home run cuts have landed near warning tracks across the country more consistently. Springer has been cold longer than he usually gets (compared to previous seasons). Bregman has lost his mojo. Reddick has been subpar. Gurriel is losing power and is only getting older. Gattis has had one incredible month in nearly four seasons. Marwin is playing out of a job here. So, with all that, you’re forced to rely on the likes of White, who’s forced to share time with Gattis (mysteriously), Kemp, and Stassi. Does that sound like a good baseball team to you? Oh, before I forget, when they do actually scratch across a run or two to get a lead, the pitchers find a way to immediately surrender it. Morton, Cole, Rondón, and Verlander have done that IN FOUR STRAIGHT GAMES. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 9:40:27 GMT -6
I don't think it's lack of effort. Right now it's lack of talent. We're missing an all-star, an MVP, a premier defensive bench player (who was heating up, surprisingly), and one all-star is still rehabbing even though he is playing. If Boston lost Mookie, Bogaerts, and JD was playing at 60%, they wouldn't be winning either. We just have to hope we don't fall too behind until we get people back healthy. The truth is, Correa and Springer were missing in action for long periods this season even before they went onto the DL. Correa batted .192 for the month of May. Springer batted .167 from June 15 through the end of July. There was no injury excuse to cover for that ineptitude. Even when they have been in the lineup they simply have not got the job done with any consistency. When Correa broke out of his May funk Springer went into his June-July funk. Mookie, Bogaerts and JD have got the job done. Those three guys combined have produced one bad month at the plate....Bogaerts .220 batting average for June. Of course, JD hit .347 and Mookie .290 in June so they covered for Bogaerts one sub-par month. I know you try try your best to present our guys in a positive light regardless of how badly they are playing. Nothing wrong with that. There comes a point; however, when you have to stop making excuses for them. Right now the team is an embarrassment. They should be ashamed to charge admission to MMP. But just having them playing gives the other guys confidence because they know their track records. They know that any day those guys could erupt. It's not just about their individual performance. Even with them struggling we were a good team. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 9:42:54 GMT -6
I don't think it's lack of effort. Right now it's lack of talent. We're missing an all-star, an MVP, a premier defensive bench player (who was heating up, surprisingly), and one all-star is still rehabbing even though he is playing. If Boston lost Mookie, Bogaerts, and JD was playing at 60%, they wouldn't be winning either. We just have to hope we don't fall too behind until we get people back healthy. I know you’re trying to stay positive, but this team was struggling when Springer and Altuve were in the lineup. The whole team is still in this World Series haze/hangover. Correa has been fanning gentle breezes to infielders all season at the plate. Altuve has become less disciplined, and his home run cuts have landed near warning tracks across the country more consistently. Springer has been cold longer than he usually gets (compared to previous seasons). Bregman has lost his mojo. Reddick has been subpar. Gurriel is losing power and is only getting older. Gattis has had one incredible month in nearly four seasons. Marwin is playing out of a job here. So, with all that, you’re forced to rely on the likes of White, who’s forced to share time with Gattis (mysteriously), Kemp, and Stassi. Does that sound like a good baseball team to you? Oh, before I forget, when they do actually scratch across a run or two to get a lead, the pitchers find a way to immediately surrender it. Morton, Cole, Rondón, and Verlander have done that IN FOUR STRAIGHT GAMES. And yet, despite all of their struggles, we were winning games better than anybody but Boston before this rash of injuries. I'm not trying to say we shouldn't be concerned, but if (IF) we can get Altuve and Springer back healthy, not to mention McCann and Devo, I think we will see a nice turnaround. Hopefully we don't fall too far behind before that happens. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 15, 2018 10:33:00 GMT -6
I know you’re trying to stay positive, but this team was struggling when Springer and Altuve were in the lineup. The whole team is still in this World Series haze/hangover. Correa has been fanning gentle breezes to infielders all season at the plate. Altuve has become less disciplined, and his home run cuts have landed near warning tracks across the country more consistently. Springer has been cold longer than he usually gets (compared to previous seasons). Bregman has lost his mojo. Reddick has been subpar. Gurriel is losing power and is only getting older. Gattis has had one incredible month in nearly four seasons. Marwin is playing out of a job here. So, with all that, you’re forced to rely on the likes of White, who’s forced to share time with Gattis (mysteriously), Kemp, and Stassi. Does that sound like a good baseball team to you? Oh, before I forget, when they do actually scratch across a run or two to get a lead, the pitchers find a way to immediately surrender it. Morton, Cole, Rondón, and Verlander have done that IN FOUR STRAIGHT GAMES. And yet, despite all of their struggles, we were winning games better than anybody but Boston before this rash of injuries. I'm not trying to say we shouldn't be concerned, but if (IF) we can get Altuve and Springer back healthy, not to mention McCann and Devo, I think we will see a nice turnaround. Hopefully we don't fall too far behind before that happens. I look forward to that as well, but there’s no excuse for the team being this bad with Bregman, Correa, and others still in the lineup. It’s so bad that I don’t know if they can beat the Orioles. Luhnow needs to be contacting almost any team with players (who’ve cleared waivers) who can fill the need of DH or LF before it’s too late. They’ve only got a handful of games left against the A’s and Mariners, and Lord knows when Altuve comes back. Time is running out. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 15, 2018 10:41:42 GMT -6
Goodbye to Keuchel unless he accepts the QO, Marwin, Gattis, Harris, McCann .....that is a lot of money Not being spent.... A lot of talks of the Stros folks not to offer Dallas anything more than the QO. But with the shortage of starting pitching I am sure he is going to play the market. One wonders is it going to be like last season where the owners squeeze the players and it drags out. I was thinking what the Cubs did, blowing off Arrieta, and going after Darvish, a decision they are probably regretting. |
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