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Post by m240 on Aug 14, 2018 21:22:19 GMT -6
Maybe we just have to get into chase mode. Maybe we gotta let the A's get ahead. Maybe then our guys will then answer the call.
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 14, 2018 21:22:36 GMT -6
They don’t have the hitters right now. Period. More likely they don't have a Real Leader, is Altuve a clubhouse leader and Wiseman? They didn't replace someone who showed them how to win even though he no longer had it. Come on, Altuve is a leader. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 14, 2018 21:23:19 GMT -6
I don't think there's much else anyone can say at this point. Nope. I don’t envy Hinch right now. |
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Post by koolade2 on Aug 14, 2018 21:23:53 GMT -6
Oakland winning again, going to be one game after tonight. Never Settle yea my ass Never Settle.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 14, 2018 21:31:48 GMT -6
i still think Beltran not being in that clubhouse to provide leadership is part of the problem and I don't think having Osuna has anything to do with it,
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 14, 2018 21:33:22 GMT -6
We have also learned not to take the lead because the pitcher will give it up as soon as he gets back to the mound,
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Post by olpapa on Aug 14, 2018 21:42:04 GMT -6
This team will be ready come playoff time This team is already ready for what they are going to be doing come playoff time.....watching while other teams play. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 14, 2018 21:50:38 GMT -6
This team will be ready come playoff time This team is already ready for what they are going to be doing come playoff time.....watching while other teams play. Too many seem satisfied with last year's title.....It's like "hey, we already got our rings" They don't seem to care if they get another one. But, they have time to make commercials, host "meet and greets", sign autographs at card shows, etc, They are being told how great they are and will win it again and it has gone to their heads.. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 15, 2018 3:31:24 GMT -6
i still think Beltran not being in that clubhouse to provide leadership is part of the problem and I don't think having Osuna has anything to do with it, One thing I have not seen anyone mention is the possible impact the absence of Alex Cora has had on this team. He was in the Astros’ dugout every game as the bench coach in 2017. He is in Boston’s dugout as the manager this year and they’re not doing half bad....much better than last season. Just something to think about. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 15, 2018 3:49:46 GMT -6
That is an insult to every player playing at AA. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 15, 2018 4:02:38 GMT -6
Looks like Kemp has the same period as the rest of the team coming on. Not a whimper out of the #1 spot in a very long time. Including Springer up there. I am amused when somebody uses the, “Correa, Altuve and Springer have all been out with injuries,” excuse to gloss over this train wreck. From June 15 through the end of July Springer was healthy and in the lineup....and he batted .167 during that time. He went 3-10 in August before going on the DL. That brought his batting average up to .175 since June 15. No excuse for that. |
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Post by koolade2 on Aug 15, 2018 4:17:45 GMT -6
If you haven't noticed I have been one of Springers worse critics the last three months. I haven't been sold on Springer or Correa since last year. They have never been in the top ten-fifteen in Baseball on offense.
Beginning of the year Correa looked awful and I said he should keep his mouth shut until he proves on the field. Wants to be MVP, his play has never shown he wants to be that.
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 15, 2018 5:37:55 GMT -6
i still think Beltran not being in that clubhouse to provide leadership is part of the problem and I don't think having Osuna has anything to do with it, One thing I have not seen anyone mention is the possible impact the absence of Alex Cora has had on this team. He was in the Astros’ dugout every game as the bench coach in 2017. He is in Boston’s dugout as the manager this year and they’re not doing half bad....much better than last season. Just something to think about. That is a good point, I read some articles on how the game has changed in Boston since Alex's arrival. Just watching that team hitting approach from last season to this year. He has had the hitters more aggressive at the plate and the running game has changed with their club, putting runners in motion. The pick up of Eovaldi hasn't hurt. My first impression of the Red Sox this season, I attributed it to their soft schedule the great start they got to build up some confidence to start the season. But they have steam rolled everyone so far, as we saw last season with the Indians getting hot at the end of August into September, I am not going to had them the title. We will see now what the Stros are made of now down to one. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 15, 2018 5:54:11 GMT -6
There comes a point when watching the other teams broadcast becomes more entertaining. At least when I hear the announcers excited I feel like my team is winning. They could bring Brianna into the booth to jazz up a broadcast with a new promotion. |
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Post by m240 on Aug 15, 2018 7:24:02 GMT -6
The impact of adding JD Martinez to the line up of Boston has had a huge impact on Boston as well as having Cora. Cora is a great manager and he relates to the players well. This year they are having fun and the pressure is off of any individual player to perform. That is due to the addition of Martinez. When you deepen your line up you take away options for the other team to pitch around certain players. Last year's success for the Astros was due in large part to the balance of performance from top to bottom as anything else. We had 10 guys who hit well enough to start for just about anyone else in the league. Start taking them away and the negative impact is not linear but curves down at an accelerating rate the more impact players you remove.
Today our offense is almost nonexistent. If you look at the total body of work you could point to seven to eight guys who perform at an acceptable level if you had Altuve, Correa, and Springer in the lineup and hitting at their season average. That would mean that to get to where we were last year we would have to have those guys back plus at least two more bats that perform at above league average. We have to get our guys back and add at least one above average bat in order to even get close to having a chance to repeat. We may make the playoffs without adding back our guys and another from outside of the organization but I doubt it very much. The slide has to stop and Luhnow is smart enough to know that. It is going to cost us but it is a price that we will need to pay. The cost on the organization would be too great not to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 7:54:34 GMT -6
Athletics are one game back and we are not any closer to getting back our players that can actually hit. Sigh... I keep watching, but it's getting harder to tune in.
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Post by olpapa on Aug 15, 2018 8:21:17 GMT -6
Athletics are one game back and we are not any closer to getting back our players that can actually hit. Sigh... I keep watching, but it's getting harder to tune in. Got the fork ready. About time to stick it into this bunch. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 8:22:34 GMT -6
Athletics are one game back and we are not any closer to getting back our players that can actually hit. Sigh... I keep watching, but it's getting harder to tune in. Got the fork ready. About time to stick it into this bunch. I still have faith we can make it into the playoffs, but it's looking a little less likely every day. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 15, 2018 8:39:58 GMT -6
Hinch has the same attitude as the players.........no big deal and "we will be fine when we get our guys back"........He needs a reminder that his guys weren't doing much before they went on the DL.
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 15, 2018 8:41:05 GMT -6
Hinch has the same attitude as the players.........no big deal and "we will be fine when we get our guys back"........He needs a reminder that his guys weren't doing much before they went on the DL. It’s the carrot on a stick they keep dangling in front of the fans. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 15, 2018 8:41:44 GMT -6
This team will get better. The problem is we don’t know when that will happen.
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Post by m240 on Aug 15, 2018 8:59:45 GMT -6
This team will get better. The problem is we don’t know when that will happen. In the interim we are wasting a lot of very good pitching. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 9:32:31 GMT -6
I'll say it again and keep saying it too I am proven wrong or turn blue in the face. Luhnow stayed with the Same team intact and no team has repeated with the exact same team. We had too many holes last year that somehow managed to make it thru. Career years and Luhnow and Hinch thought they would get the same production. It never works that way in baseball only the top Players continue on that kind of Play. Everyday players ebb and flow and fall back to their norm. We added Cole, Smith, Rondon, Osuna, and we've had Kemp and Stassi all year. The bottom line is that all of our stars (outside of Bregman) have had down years for them and now also injuries. Our solid veterans (Gurriel, Reddick, Gattis, Marwin) are all having mediocre years after 3 of them likely had career years. There was bound to be a decent amount of regression offensively from last year. The amount of injuries to our key players has been the problem though. I can't think of a team that had three all-stars (including an MVP) go on the DL and still be a super great team. Nothing Luhnow could have done about that. Hopefully he'll try and add a bat before the end of the month, but good offensive players haven't moved much this year outside of Machado. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 9:36:14 GMT -6
Looks like Kemp has the same period as the rest of the team coming on. Not a whimper out of the #1 spot in a very long time. Including Springer up there. I am amused when somebody uses the, “Correa, Altuve and Springer have all been out with injuries,” excuse to gloss over this train wreck. From June 15 through the end of July Springer was healthy and in the lineup....and he batted .167 during that time. He went 3-10 in August before going on the DL. That brought his batting average up to .175 since June 15. No excuse for that. It's the intangibles that you lose also though. Even with none of those guys at their best, we were a top-2 team in baseball. Having them out, especially Altuve, is a major factor. I don't see how we can deny that. Altuve wasn't the MVP last year simply because he's a great player. He's Mr. Astro now. He is a hybrid between Bagwell and Biggio. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 9:37:31 GMT -6
Hinch has the same attitude as the players.........no big deal and "we will be fine when we get our guys back"........He needs a reminder that his guys weren't doing much before they went on the DL. But the team was. The team was doing well even if they weren't at their best. It should give us more confidence that management is NOT freaking out, imo. They should know the players and the chemistry of the team better than anyone. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 15, 2018 9:43:47 GMT -6
Hinch has the same attitude as the players.........no big deal and "we will be fine when we get our guys back"........He needs a reminder that his guys weren't doing much before they went on the DL. It’s the carrot on a stick they keep dangling in front of the fans. They lie about the injuries to keep the fans reaching for the carrot stick |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 15, 2018 9:46:00 GMT -6
I'll say it again and keep saying it too I am proven wrong or turn blue in the face. Luhnow stayed with the Same team intact and no team has repeated with the exact same team. We had too many holes last year that somehow managed to make it thru. Career years and Luhnow and Hinch thought they would get the same production. It never works that way in baseball only the top Players continue on that kind of Play. Everyday players ebb and flow and fall back to their norm. We added Cole, Smith, Rondon, Osuna, and we've had Kemp and Stassi all year. The bottom line is that all of our stars (outside of Bregman) have had down years for them and now also injuries. Our solid veterans (Gurriel, Reddick, Gattis, Marwin) are all having mediocre years after 3 of them likely had career years. There was bound to be a decent amount of regression offensively from last year. The amount of injuries to our key players has been the problem though. I can't think of a team that had three all-stars (including an MVP) go on the DL and still be a super great team. Nothing Luhnow could have done about that. Hopefully he'll try and add a bat before the end of the month, but good offensive players haven't moved much this year outside of Machado. Bregman has yet to obtain "star" status. His main problem since the break is that he thinks he's already there. Showed immaturity with that bleached hair and questionable comments on social media. He got too much attention too soon and it went to his head. He is not a star as of yet. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 9:51:08 GMT -6
We added Cole, Smith, Rondon, Osuna, and we've had Kemp and Stassi all year. The bottom line is that all of our stars (outside of Bregman) have had down years for them and now also injuries. Our solid veterans (Gurriel, Reddick, Gattis, Marwin) are all having mediocre years after 3 of them likely had career years. There was bound to be a decent amount of regression offensively from last year. The amount of injuries to our key players has been the problem though. I can't think of a team that had three all-stars (including an MVP) go on the DL and still be a super great team. Nothing Luhnow could have done about that. Hopefully he'll try and add a bat before the end of the month, but good offensive players haven't moved much this year outside of Machado. Bregman has yet to obtain "star" status. His main problem since the break is that he thinks he's already there. Showed immaturity with that bleached hair and questionable comments on social media. He got too much attention too soon and it went to his head. He is not a star as of yet. I guess it depends on your definition of star. I think all-star and all-star game MVP are pretty star-worthy, on top of a very good season last year and even better season this year. In any case, he'll be fine. The whole team is slumping. At least Bregman is still working good ABs and getting some walks in. Even with the slump he has a good .351 OBP since the all-star break. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 15, 2018 10:10:47 GMT -6
The impact of adding JD Martinez to the line up of Boston has had a huge impact on Boston as well as having Cora. Cora is a great manager and he relates to the players well. This year they are having fun and the pressure is off of any individual player to perform. That is due to the addition of Martinez. When you deepen your line up you take away options for the other team to pitch around certain players. Last year's success for the Astros was due in large part to the balance of performance from top to bottom as anything else. We had 10 guys who hit well enough to start for just about anyone else in the league. Start taking them away and the negative impact is not linear but curves down at an accelerating rate the more impact players you remove. Today our offense is almost nonexistent. If you look at the total body of work you could point to seven to eight guys who perform at an acceptable level if you had Altuve, Correa, and Springer in the lineup and hitting at their season average. That would mean that to get to where we were last year we would have to have those guys back plus at least two more bats that perform at above league average. We have to get our guys back and add at least one above average bat in order to even get close to having a chance to repeat. We may make the playoffs without adding back our guys and another from outside of the organization but I doubt it very much. The slide has to stop and Luhnow is smart enough to know that. It is going to cost us but it is a price that we will need to pay. The cost on the organization would be too great not to. I wouldn't say the Red Sox have or had no pressure on them, they answered the bell in the last series against the Yankees where the Stros this past weekend didn't. Also Cashman did his best on making dead line deals to strengthened them for the stretch run. |
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Post by m240 on Aug 15, 2018 10:16:27 GMT -6
The impact of adding JD Martinez to the line up of Boston has had a huge impact on Boston as well as having Cora. Cora is a great manager and he relates to the players well. This year they are having fun and the pressure is off of any individual player to perform. That is due to the addition of Martinez. When you deepen your line up you take away options for the other team to pitch around certain players. Last year's success for the Astros was due in large part to the balance of performance from top to bottom as anything else. We had 10 guys who hit well enough to start for just about anyone else in the league. Start taking them away and the negative impact is not linear but curves down at an accelerating rate the more impact players you remove. Today our offense is almost nonexistent. If you look at the total body of work you could point to seven to eight guys who perform at an acceptable level if you had Altuve, Correa, and Springer in the lineup and hitting at their season average. That would mean that to get to where we were last year we would have to have those guys back plus at least two more bats that perform at above league average. We have to get our guys back and add at least one above average bat in order to even get close to having a chance to repeat. We may make the playoffs without adding back our guys and another from outside of the organization but I doubt it very much. The slide has to stop and Luhnow is smart enough to know that. It is going to cost us but it is a price that we will need to pay. The cost on the organization would be too great not to. I wouldn't say the Red Sox have or had no pressure on them, they answered the bell in the last series against the Yankees where the Stros this past weekend didn't. Also Cashman did his best on making dead line deals to strengthened them for the stretch run. Perhaps I should of said it another way, the fact that they have strength from top to bottom in their line up removes the pressure to perform for performance sake. You can count on your team mate to pick you up should you fail. On the Astros right now, who picks up Bregman if he fails. |
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