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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 15, 2018 10:19:35 GMT -6
I wouldn't say the Red Sox have or had no pressure on them, they answered the bell in the last series against the Yankees where the Stros this past weekend didn't. Also Cashman did his best on making dead line deals to strengthened them for the stretch run. Perhaps I should of said it another way, the fact that they have strength from top to bottom in their line up removes the pressure to perform for performance sake. You can count on your team mate to pick you up should you fail. On the Astros right now, who picks up Bregman if he fails. No doubt JD made a major change to their lineup, but the Red Sox are getting support from players that they didn't get from last season. It almost looks like a flip of some ways of offenses of both teams these last two seasons. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 15, 2018 11:04:48 GMT -6
Bregman has yet to obtain "star" status. His main problem since the break is that he thinks he's already there. Showed immaturity with that bleached hair and questionable comments on social media. He got too much attention too soon and it went to his head. He is not a star as of yet. I guess it depends on your definition of star. I think all-star and all-star game MVP are pretty star-worthy, on top of a very good season last year and even better season this year. In any case, he'll be fine. The whole team is slumping. At least Bregman is still working good ABs and getting some walks in. Even with the slump he has a good .351 OBP since the all-star break. Still obsessing over OBP, I see. His strikeouts are up.....probably due to the home run derby messing with his swing. He is not driving the ball. His timing is way off. As I said, he showed a lot of immaturity that has affected his performance. Mu defninition of "star" is someone who has been consistent over a period of time..Bregman hasn't been in the league long enough to be called a star. he has the potential, but, he's not there yet. Championship teams meet adversity and battle their way through it. So far, this team seems to be incapable of doing that. If it doens't change soon, they will miss the playoffs entirely and join the Cubs as being a flop right after winning it all. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 15, 2018 11:07:29 GMT -6
I wouldn't say the Red Sox have or had no pressure on them, they answered the bell in the last series against the Yankees where the Stros this past weekend didn't. Also Cashman did his best on making dead line deals to strengthened them for the stretch run. Perhaps I should of said it another way, the fact that they have strength from top to bottom in their line up removes the pressure to perform for performance sake. You can count on your team mate to pick you up should you fail. On the Astros right now, who picks up Bregman if he fails. I will repeat what I have said before...we needed a bat which should have been obvious to Luhnow and he didn't get one when he has the prospects to have gotten the bat we needed. Again, he hoarded his prospects while the offense continues getting worse. . |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 11:17:26 GMT -6
I guess it depends on your definition of star. I think all-star and all-star game MVP are pretty star-worthy, on top of a very good season last year and even better season this year. In any case, he'll be fine. The whole team is slumping. At least Bregman is still working good ABs and getting some walks in. Even with the slump he has a good .351 OBP since the all-star break. Still obsessing over OBP, I see. His strikeouts are up.....probably due to the home run derby messing with his swing. He is not driving the ball. His timing is way off. As I said, he showed a lot of immaturity that has affected his performance. Mu defninition of "star" is someone who has been consistent over a period of time..Bregman hasn't been in the league long enough to be called a star. he has the potential, but, he's not there yet. Championship teams meet adversity and battle their way through it. So far, this team seems to be incapable of doing that. If it doens't change soon, they will miss the playoffs entirely and join the Cubs as being a flop right after winning it all. Saying his OBP has been good despite the slump means I'm obsessing? I'm just pointing out that he is still getting on base and making pitchers work. A very vital part of hitting. The power and AVG will come back, but it's a positive thing that he is not destroying his approach at the plate during this slump. He was an immature asshat before the all-star break and he was performing fine. His hair has nothing to do with his slump. That's like saying sex wrecked Correa's season. And I had never heard that length of time made somebody a star. I guess Dimaggio wasn't a star after his rookie year then? Judge isn't a star? They're battling right now. There are still 40+ games to go through. There is a reason repeating is so hard. And I would hardly call the Cubs flops. They made it back to the postseason the year after, and will probably this year as well. |
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Post by koolade2 on Aug 15, 2018 13:55:22 GMT -6
The impact of adding JD Martinez to the line up of Boston has had a huge impact on Boston as well as having Cora. Cora is a great manager and he relates to the players well. This year they are having fun and the pressure is off of any individual player to perform. That is due to the addition of Martinez. When you deepen your line up you take away options for the other team to pitch around certain players. Last year's success for the Astros was due in large part to the balance of performance from top to bottom as anything else. We had 10 guys who hit well enough to start for just about anyone else in the league. Start taking them away and the negative impact is not linear but curves down at an accelerating rate the more impact players you remove. Today our offense is almost nonexistent. If you look at the total body of work you could point to seven to eight guys who perform at an acceptable level if you had Altuve, Correa, and Springer in the lineup and hitting at their season average. That would mean that to get to where we were last year we would have to have those guys back plus at least two more bats that perform at above league average. We have to get our guys back and add at least one above average bat in order to even get close to having a chance to repeat. We may make the playoffs without adding back our guys and another from outside of the organization but I doubt it very much. The slide has to stop and Luhnow is smart enough to know that. It is going to cost us but it is a price that we will need to pay. The cost on the organization would be too great not to. La Last Year 3 Hitters hitting over 900 OPS 3 Hitters hitting over 800 OPS This Year NO 900 OPS and maybe three hitters over 800 OPS Luhnow and Hinch well mostly Luhnow did nothing to address that |
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Post by koolade2 on Aug 15, 2018 13:56:30 GMT -6
By the way, it's all the way back to 1966 to find an Astros team that lost 9 straight at home.
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 15, 2018 14:00:45 GMT -6
By the way, it's all the way back to 1966 to find an Astros team that lost 9 straight at home. Yeah, I saw ESPN report that earlier. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 15, 2018 14:15:56 GMT -6
Still obsessing over OBP, I see. His strikeouts are up.....probably due to the home run derby messing with his swing. He is not driving the ball. His timing is way off. As I said, he showed a lot of immaturity that has affected his performance. Mu defninition of "star" is someone who has been consistent over a period of time..Bregman hasn't been in the league long enough to be called a star. he has the potential, but, he's not there yet. Championship teams meet adversity and battle their way through it. So far, this team seems to be incapable of doing that. If it doens't change soon, they will miss the playoffs entirely and join the Cubs as being a flop right after winning it all. Saying his OBP has been good despite the slump means I'm obsessing? I'm just pointing out that he is still getting on base and making pitchers work. A very vital part of hitting. The power and AVG will come back, but it's a positive thing that he is not destroying his approach at the plate during this slump. He was an immature asshat before the all-star break and he was performing fine. His hair has nothing to do with his slump. That's like saying sex wrecked Correa's season. And I had never heard that length of time made somebody a star. I guess Dimaggio wasn't a star after his rookie year then? Judge isn't a star? They're battling right now. There are still 40+ games to go through. There is a reason repeating is so hard. And I would hardly call the Cubs flops. They made it back to the postseason the year after, and will probably this year as well. Where did I say that Bregman's hair had anything to do with his hitting? I said it showed a lack of maturity. He did it to get attention and craving attention is a sign of immaturity. You seem to be ready to label any young player who has a good rookie or second year as a "star". Stars prove it over time. DiMaggio became a star.....he didn't just show up being a star. You have your definition of a star and I have mine......I'll stick with stars being those who consistentl produce at a high level. Having a good OBP doesn't mean a player is producing runs. Bregman's tendency to strike out has increased as he continues going outside the zone to swing at pitches. Part of that is probably putting more pressure on himself to drive in runs with so many injured players out of the lineup. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 15:12:06 GMT -6
Saying his OBP has been good despite the slump means I'm obsessing? I'm just pointing out that he is still getting on base and making pitchers work. A very vital part of hitting. The power and AVG will come back, but it's a positive thing that he is not destroying his approach at the plate during this slump. He was an immature asshat before the all-star break and he was performing fine. His hair has nothing to do with his slump. That's like saying sex wrecked Correa's season. And I had never heard that length of time made somebody a star. I guess Dimaggio wasn't a star after his rookie year then? Judge isn't a star? They're battling right now. There are still 40+ games to go through. There is a reason repeating is so hard. And I would hardly call the Cubs flops. They made it back to the postseason the year after, and will probably this year as well. Where did I say that Bregman's hair had anything to do with his hitting? I said it showed a lack of maturity. He did it to get attention and craving attention is a sign of immaturity. You seem to be ready to label any young player who has a good rookie or second year as a "star". Stars prove it over time. DiMaggio became a star.....he didn't just show up being a star. You have your definition of a star and I have mine......I'll stick with stars being those who consistentl produce at a high level. Having a good OBP doesn't mean a player is producing runs. Bregman's tendency to strike out has increased as he continues going outside the zone to swing at pitches. Part of that is probably putting more pressure on himself to drive in runs with so many injured players out of the lineup. Whatever you say... I don't think anybody in the world would say Aaron Judge is not a star and he has less than two years of time in the MLB.
And you said his immaturity is making Bregman hit bad (and used his hair color as an example). He wasn't mature than got immature so now he sucks.
I'm going to label an all-star a star. It's literally in the name...
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 15, 2018 15:19:35 GMT -6
Hinch has the same attitude as the players.........no big deal and "we will be fine when we get our guys back"........He needs a reminder that his guys weren't doing much before they went on the DL. But the team was. The team was doing well even if they weren't at their best. It should give us more confidence that management is NOT freaking out, imo. They should know the players and the chemistry of the team better than anyone.
game and try to do everything they can to win. It just hasn’t happened. Maybe guys are trying to do too much to make up for what they don't have in the lineup at the moment |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 15:22:03 GMT -6
But the team was. The team was doing well even if they weren't at their best. It should give us more confidence that management is NOT freaking out, imo. They should know the players and the chemistry of the team better than anyone.
game and try to do everything they can to win. It just hasn’t happened. Maybe guys are trying to do too much to make up for what they don't have in the lineup at the momentI think they all get the feeling that they're going to break out and break out big at any point. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 15, 2018 15:43:22 GMT -6
It’s the carrot on a stick they keep dangling in front of the fans. They lie about the injuries to keep the fans reaching for the carrot stick |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 15, 2018 15:45:11 GMT -6
Where did I say that Bregman's hair had anything to do with his hitting? I said it showed a lack of maturity. He did it to get attention and craving attention is a sign of immaturity. You seem to be ready to label any young player who has a good rookie or second year as a "star". Stars prove it over time. DiMaggio became a star.....he didn't just show up being a star. You have your definition of a star and I have mine......I'll stick with stars being those who consistentl produce at a high level. Having a good OBP doesn't mean a player is producing runs. Bregman's tendency to strike out has increased as he continues going outside the zone to swing at pitches. Part of that is probably putting more pressure on himself to drive in runs with so many injured players out of the lineup. Whatever you say... I don't think anybody in the world would say Aaron Judge is not a star and he has less than two years of time in the MLB.
And you said his immaturity is making Bregman hit bad (and used his hair color as an example). He wasn't mature than got immature so now he sucks.
I am not saying Bregman is a flash in the pan because I think he is a future star.......right now, he is a very good player with star potential. Richard Hidalgo made an all-star team, signed a big contract, and disappeared. You don't make a guy a star in a year or two and that includes Aaron Judge. He is a budding star, but this is just his second year with the Yankees.
I "say" that Bregman's bleached hair was to get attention, but, I did NOT say it had anything to do with his hitting. There are other ways to appear immature without having bleached hair.......getting on social media and mouthing off. sticking his chest out at the camera, etc. does not make him look mature. A little cockiness in a player is good,but, there is a difference in being cocky and being arrogant. Since the All-star break, he has performed at a mediocre level. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 15, 2018 15:45:12 GMT -6
But the team was. The team was doing well even if they weren't at their best. It should give us more confidence that management is NOT freaking out, imo. They should know the players and the chemistry of the team better than anyone.
game and try to do everything they can to win. It just hasn’t happened. Maybe guys are trying to do too much to make up for what they don't have in the lineup at the momentThe pressure of holding a lead has been that much greater knowing how badly the offense is struggling. Like I said, that’s four straight games where the lead has been surrendered by the pitching staff the very next inning. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 15, 2018 15:45:57 GMT -6
They lie about the injuries to keep the fans reaching for the carrot stick The management, media, etc. I don’t recall anything said bybthe players. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 15, 2018 15:48:54 GMT -6
They lie about the injuries to keep the fans reaching for the carrot stick AJ Hinch is a member of "they"......have you noticed how being "day to day" and not being on the DL turned into a six-week long stint on the DL for Correa? Altuve was day to day, too.......Now, they are tight-lipped. But, if you choose to swallow all the BS we have been told, go ahead. I still don't think we ever got the truth about Correa's injury or the cause of it and we never will, which is fine. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 15, 2018 15:49:33 GMT -6
Whatever you say... I don't think anybody in the world would say Aaron Judge is not a star and he has less than two years of time in the MLB.
And you said his immaturity is making Bregman hit bad (and used his hair color as an example). He wasn't mature than got immature so now he sucks.
I am not saying Bregman is a flash in the pan because I think he is a future star.......right now, he is a very good player with star potential. Richard Hidalgo made an all-star team, signed a big contract, and disappeared. You don't make a guy a star in a year or two and that includes Aaron Judge. He is a budding star, but this is just his second year with the Yankees.
I "say" that Bregman's bleached hair was to get attention, but, I did NOT say it had anything to do with his hitting. There are other ways to appear immature without having bleached hair.......getting on social media and mouthing off. sticking his chest out at the camera, etc. does not make him look mature. A little cockiness in a player is good,but, there is a difference in being cocky and being arrogant. Since the All-star break, he has performed at a mediocre level. Then why are you bringing up immaturity in relation to his performance? Who cares? |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 15, 2018 15:49:52 GMT -6
Where did I say that Bregman's hair had anything to do with his hitting? I said it showed a lack of maturity. He did it to get attention and craving attention is a sign of immaturity. You seem to be ready to label any young player who has a good rookie or second year as a "star". Stars prove it over time. DiMaggio became a star.....he didn't just show up being a star. You have your definition of a star and I have mine......I'll stick with stars being those who consistentl produce at a high level. Having a good OBP doesn't mean a player is producing runs. Bregman's tendency to strike out has increased as he continues going outside the zone to swing at pitches. Part of that is probably putting more pressure on himself to drive in runs with so many injured players out of the lineup. Whatever you say... I don't think anybody in the world would say Aaron Judge is not a star and he has less than two years of time in the MLB.
And you said his immaturity is making Bregman hit bad (and used his hair color as an example). He wasn't mature than got immature so now he sucks.
I'm going to label an all-star a star. It's literally in the name...
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 15, 2018 16:07:47 GMT -6
AJ Hinch is a member of "they"......have you noticed how being "day to day" and not being on the DL turned into a six-week long stint on the DL for Correa? Altuve was day to day, too.......Now, they are tight-lipped. But, if you choose to swallow all the BS we have been told, go ahead. I still don't think we ever got the truth about Correa's injury or the cause of it and we never will, which is fine.  |
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Post by m240 on Aug 15, 2018 16:25:53 GMT -6
The impact of adding JD Martinez to the line up of Boston has had a huge impact on Boston as well as having Cora. Cora is a great manager and he relates to the players well. This year they are having fun and the pressure is off of any individual player to perform. That is due to the addition of Martinez. When you deepen your line up you take away options for the other team to pitch around certain players. Last year's success for the Astros was due in large part to the balance of performance from top to bottom as anything else. We had 10 guys who hit well enough to start for just about anyone else in the league. Start taking them away and the negative impact is not linear but curves down at an accelerating rate the more impact players you remove. Today our offense is almost nonexistent. If you look at the total body of work you could point to seven to eight guys who perform at an acceptable level if you had Altuve, Correa, and Springer in the lineup and hitting at their season average. That would mean that to get to where we were last year we would have to have those guys back plus at least two more bats that perform at above league average. We have to get our guys back and add at least one above average bat in order to even get close to having a chance to repeat. We may make the playoffs without adding back our guys and another from outside of the organization but I doubt it very much. The slide has to stop and Luhnow is smart enough to know that. It is going to cost us but it is a price that we will need to pay. The cost on the organization would be too great not to. La Last Year 3 Hitters hitting over 900 OPS 3 Hitters hitting over 800 OPS This Year NO 900 OPS and maybe three hitters over 800 OPS Luhnow and Hinch well mostly Luhnow did nothing to address that Reddick, Gonzales, Correa, Springer, and Altuve all hit for higher averages than their career averages last year. There should of been no misconception that they would all replicate that. And yet, I think that is what they did. Perhaps their thinking was a full year of Verlander and the addition of Cole would make up for slightly lower offensive performance. The degree of drop off though is beyond what any of us expected. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 15, 2018 16:47:15 GMT -6
Last Year 3 Hitters hitting over 900 OPS 3 Hitters hitting over 800 OPS This Year NO 900 OPS and maybe three hitters over 800 OPS Luhnow and Hinch well mostly Luhnow did nothing to address that Reddick, Gonzales, Correa, Springer, and Altuve all hit for higher averages than their career averages last year. There should of been no misconception that they would all replicate that. And yet, I think that is what they did. Perhaps their thinking was a full year of Verlander and the addition of Cole would make up for slightly lower offensive performance. The degree of drop off though is beyond what any of us expected. You hit it, to duplicate the same offense performance would be rare. Last season the cry was being an easy division win, would that bode well in the playoffs, of not being challenged. Well this last month we are seeing a challenge, The Mariners just went ahead in the 12th, best bet let them split their remaining series. Tonights game is going to be interesting how they come out. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 15, 2018 16:53:24 GMT -6
Diaz shuts down another game, how much longer till a burn out of this guy, especially how he relies on a slider for his out pitch.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 15, 2018 17:06:14 GMT -6
Only Todd Kalas gives two shits about Bregmans hair.
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 15, 2018 17:18:35 GMT -6
Diaz shuts down another game, how much longer till a burn out of this guy, especially how he relies on a slider for his out pitch. The difference between Diaz and Giles is control. That’s all it is. Well, that and the ability to leave your own face alone. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 15, 2018 17:58:49 GMT -6
Diaz shuts down another game, how much longer till a burn out of this guy, especially how he relies on a slider for his out pitch. The difference between Diaz and Giles is control. That’s all it is. Well, that and the ability to leave your own face alone. Diaz will not leave anything over the plate to hammer. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 15, 2018 18:51:15 GMT -6
Diaz shuts down another game, how much longer till a burn out of this guy, especially how he relies on a slider for his out pitch. The difference between Diaz and Giles is control. That’s all it is. Well, that and the ability to leave your own face alone. That is called control as well... |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 15, 2018 19:15:34 GMT -6
The team probably has as good of an atmosphere in the clubhouse as they can with the way things are going right now. They come in every day with a positive outlook on the
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