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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 4, 2018 22:48:13 GMT -6
It’s a 1-2-3 8th for Britton. Same score headed to the 9th.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 4, 2018 22:57:52 GMT -6
Adeiny Hechavarria leadoff homer off Emilio Pagán. Yankees 4, A’s 1.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 4, 2018 23:08:19 GMT -6
Gardner infield hit leads to another run. Yankees 5, A’s 1. Looking like a 3.5 game lead for our boys.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 4, 2018 23:20:43 GMT -6
5-1 final. Fiers goes for the A’s tomorrow. Maybe the Astros can make it 4.5 up after tomorrow.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 4, 2018 23:25:30 GMT -6
5-1 final. Fiers goes for the A’s tomorrow. Maybe the Astros can make it 4.5 up after tomorrow. Fiers has been pretty good for Oakland,but, he is due to get lit up. |
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Post by bannedfan on Sept 5, 2018 3:16:33 GMT -6
Seattle lost too....5-3 at home to Baltimore. I guess the in-fighting didn’t help the M’s.
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Post by marshall on Sept 5, 2018 7:32:18 GMT -6
Yuli and Springer both seem to be regaining their strokes.......Altuve and Correa went a combined 0-7. Altuve had a good at bat in the first before returning to what he has been for a week.....awful. Correa continues doing the same thing.....nothing. Watching him continue doing the same things over and over and over and continuing to make outs and leave runners on base is getting to be expected. When I see Correa at the plate, i want to throw up.  Right now, Correa has a great zone recognition at the plate. But unfortunately, he swings at pitches out of the zone and takes the ones in the Zone. He needs to flip that switch. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 7:37:17 GMT -6
Besides Altuve, is there any level of shitty play you think might deserve criticism? Is there any player that you feel deserves any support at all when they have a slump? Or do you just want to keep calling them boring even though all these same "shitty" players keep winning games? It's impressive to me how people feel it's awesome to criticize every player in a slump, but lame and dumb to support the same guys that brought home a championship last year. You call me a millennial for some reason but I'm not the one whining about everything.....as Ed Wade would say, "go look in a f*cking mirror." |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 8:10:11 GMT -6
Oooooh, burnnnnnnn
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 8:17:08 GMT -6
Not a burn. Just calling it like it is.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 5, 2018 8:33:34 GMT -6
Besides Altuve, is there any level of shitty play you think might deserve criticism? Is there any player that you feel deserves any support at all when they have a slump? Or do you just want to keep calling them boring even though all these same "shitty" players keep winning games? It's impressive to me how people feel it's awesome to criticize every player in a slump, but lame and dumb to support the same guys that brought home a championship last year. You call me a millennial for some reason but I'm not the one whining about everything.....as Ed Wade would say, "go look in a f*cking mirror." Are you having cheese with that whine? Slumps don't normally last for a full season and that is about how long Correa's iasting. It is at the point that as soon as he comes up I say "here's another out" and I am right most of the time for the same reasons.......takes first pitch fastballs for strikes, slides his hand up the barrel of the bat, looks at the bat, and gets ready to stand and look at the next pitch. Any pitch he swings at is either missed, hit for a weak ground ball, or a pop fly. He is useless at the plate and needs to be dropped way down in the order. AJ doesn't want to offend him, so he leaves him in the cleanup spot to hurt the team. If not for Bregman and what White has started to produce, we'd be looking up at the A's because Carlos Correa has spent this season with his little head buried in his ass. Altuve is in a slump and will come out. Correa should feel ashamed to cash a pay check. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 8:45:55 GMT -6
Is there any player that you feel deserves any support at all when they have a slump? Or do you just want to keep calling them boring even though all these same "shitty" players keep winning games? It's impressive to me how people feel it's awesome to criticize every player in a slump, but lame and dumb to support the same guys that brought home a championship last year. You call me a millennial for some reason but I'm not the one whining about everything.....as Ed Wade would say, "go look in a f*cking mirror." Are you having cheese with that whine? Slumps don't normally last for a full season and that is about how long Correa's iasting. It is at the point that as soon as he comes up I say "here's another out" and I am right most of the time for the same reasons.......takes first pitch fastballs for strikes, slides his hand up the barrel of the bat, looks at the bat, and gets ready to stand and look at the next pitch. Any pitch he swings at is either missed, hit for a weak ground ball, or a pop fly. He is useless at the plate and needs to be dropped way down in the order. AJ doesn't want to offend him, so he leaves him in the cleanup spot to hurt the team. If not for Bregman and what White has started to produce, we'd be looking up at the A's because Carlos Correa has spent this season with his little head buried in his ass. Altuve is in a slump and will come out. Correa should feel ashamed to cash a pay check. Wait... So the guy NOT crying about every slump and demanding players (like White) get demoted is the one whining? I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 8:50:01 GMT -6
I support nearly all of our players. I'm practically a homer. But the real point is how you get your vag all sandy when someone calls for an underperforming player to be sent down. You gleefully point out every strike out that Altuve has, while bemoaning the fact that losers like Giles are criticized when their constant poor performance hurts the team game after game. "OMGZ he has a bazillion WAR when the wind blows in from the east and Hinch wears purple socks!!!!1" - Saint |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 9:06:18 GMT -6
I support nearly all of our players. I'm practically a homer. But the real point is how you get your vag all sandy when someone calls for an underperforming player to be sent down. You gleefully point out every strike out that Altuve has, while bemoaning the fact that losers like Giles are criticized when their constant poor performance hurts the team game after game. "OMGZ he has a bazillion WAR when the wind blows in from the east and Hinch wears purple socks!!!!1" - SaintA. Wanting Altuve to improve is not criticizing. I never ask for him to be demoted or say he is "killing" the team. You just can't get past the fact that I said he was overrated when he first came up years ago. Overrated, not bad. B. I'm sorry I defend our underperforming players that have shown good production in the past. I'll just start criticizing instead so I can be cool. C. I can't remember the last time I saw you "support" a player unless you mean saying that Bregman was almost making you a fan ... I guess that's support, technically? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 5, 2018 9:09:23 GMT -6
I support nearly all of our players. I'm practically a homer. But the real point is how you get your vag all sandy when someone calls for an underperforming player to be sent down. You gleefully point out every strike out that Altuve has, while bemoaning the fact that losers like Giles are criticized when their constant poor performance hurts the team game after game. "OMGZ he has a bazillion WAR when the wind blows in from the east and Hinch wears purple socks!!!!1" - SaintA. Wanting Altuve to improve is not criticizing. I never ask for him to be demoted or say he is "killing" the team. You just can't get past the fact that I said he was overrated when he first came up years ago. Overrated, not bad. B. I'm sorry I defend our underperforming players that have shown good production in the past. I'll just start criticizing instead so I can be cool. C. I can't remember the last time I saw you "support" a player unless you mean saying that Bregman was almost making you a fan ... I guess that's support, technically? D. Nutz |
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Post by m240 on Sept 5, 2018 9:11:00 GMT -6
Last year the Astros had one of the best offensive performances in the history of baseball. Part of that was due to having great talent but a lot of it had to do with the fact that several guys had their best success to this point in their life. Altuve is great but he is not MVP great every year. Correa is very good but last year was a year that he will remember when his career is done, Reddick he was great, better than he had ever been, Gurriel, well we do not know how good he could of been as a young guy but man he had a great year last year. Springer had a damn fine year as well. Gonzales well we know he exceeded his career averages by about 20%. And all of it happened in the same year.
This year most have regressed to a point where it is reasonable to expect what we are getting and perhaps a bit more. Bregman and White are the only guys hitting above what normal folks should expect and we are lucky that they are. This year our pitchers are having their way, hell if they had continued through the second half the way that they did in the first half we would have another historical year. Our offense is still good, currently the fourth best scoring team in the league, but our pitching is head and shoulders above everyone else.
We got spoiled last year. Our opinions became jaded and unrealistic. What we are getting is about what we should expect and with our great pitching it should be enough to repeat. We just probably won't win any world series game with both teams scoring in double digits.
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Post by paastrosfan on Sept 5, 2018 9:20:20 GMT -6
Yeah it looks like we are 20 games out, looking at "Wait till next Year".
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 9:33:40 GMT -6
Last year the Astros had one of the best offensive performances in the history of baseball. Part of that was due to having great talent but a lot of it had to do with the fact that several guys had their best success to this point in their life. Altuve is great but he is not MVP great every year. Correa is very good but last year was a year that he will remember when his career is done, Reddick he was great, better than he had ever been, Gurriel, well we do not know how good he could of been as a young guy but man he had a great year last year. Springer had a damn fine year as well. Gonzales well we know he exceeded his career averages by about 20%. And all of it happened in the same year. This year most have regressed to a point where it is reasonable to expect what we are getting and perhaps a bit more. Bregman and White are the only guys hitting above what normal folks should expect and we are lucky that they are. This year our pitchers are having their way, hell if they had continued through the second half the way that they did in the first half we would have another historical year. Our offense is still good, currently the fourth best scoring team in the league, but our pitching is head and shoulders above everyone else. We got spoiled last year. Our opinions became jaded and unrealistic. What we are getting is about what we should expect and with our great pitching it should be enough to repeat. We just probably won't win any world series game with both teams scoring in double digits. Exactly. Anybody expecting all of these guys to be just as good as last year is being unrealistic. But just because they aren't as good as last year doesn't mean they aren't effective or aren't still good. Players have up and down years. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 9:35:24 GMT -6
But wanting Devo to not blow every lead hes handed IS...ok, got it.
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 9:41:19 GMT -6
But wanting Devo to not blow every lead hes handed IS...ok, got it. Literally my exact words to somebody saying he should be demoted was "that seems excessive". Not wanting to demote a 2017 all-star (and ROY candidate in 2016) with a 3.98 ERA (before the HR) who just came off the DL means I'm being too supportive and saying it's okay to have bad performances? The comment wasn't "Devo had a rough appearance" or "Devo looked bad". It was saying he should be back in AAA. So I just said that seemed too extreme. I'm not saying he pitched well or that he didn't deserve criticism. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 5, 2018 9:50:32 GMT -6
Seattle lost too....5-3 at home to Baltimore. I guess the in-fighting didn’t help the M’s. In-fighting? What’d I miss? |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 9:51:18 GMT -6
Seattle lost too....5-3 at home to Baltimore. I guess the in-fighting didn’t help the M’s. In-fighting? What’d I miss? There was a brawl in the clubhouse before the game. Reasons unknown. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 9:52:37 GMT -6
But wanting Devo to not blow every lead hes handed IS...ok, got it. Literally my exact words to somebody saying he should be demoted was "that seems excessive". Not wanting to demote a 2017 all-star (and ROY candidate in 2016) with a 3.98 ERA (before the HR) who just came off the DL means I'm being too supportive and saying it's okay to have bad performances? The comment wasn't "Devo had a rough appearance" or "Devo looked bad". It was saying he should be back in AAA. So I just said that seemed too extreme. I'm not saying he pitched well or that he didn't deserve criticism.  |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 5, 2018 9:54:32 GMT -6
But wanting Devo to not blow every lead hes handed IS...ok, got it. Literally my exact words to somebody saying he should be demoted was "that seems excessive". Not wanting to demote a 2017 all-star (and ROY candidate in 2016) with a 3.98 ERA (before the HR) who just came off the DL means I'm being too supportive and saying it's okay to have bad performances? The comment wasn't "Devo had a rough appearance" or "Devo looked bad". It was saying he should be back in AAA. So I just said that seemed too extreme. I'm not saying he pitched well or that he didn't deserve criticism. Harris is a good reliever like Devenski, but I hope Hinch realizes that there are better options now. Devenski, especially, is one in the mold of Giles who hopes that hitters swing at balls out of the zone and therefore he narrows down which pitch will be in the zone (fastball most likely). The others go after you and make outs happen. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 5, 2018 9:54:59 GMT -6
I support nearly all of our players. I'm practically a homer. But the real point is how you get your vag all sandy when someone calls for an underperforming player to be sent down. You gleefully point out every strike out that Altuve has, while bemoaning the fact that losers like Giles are criticized when their constant poor performance hurts the team game after game. "OMGZ he has a bazillion WAR when the wind blows in from the east and Hinch wears purple socks!!!!1" - Saint A. Wanting Altuve to improve is not criticizing. I never ask for him to be demoted or say he is "killing" the team. You just can't get past the fact that I said he was overrated when he first came up years ago. Overrated, not bad. B. I'm sorry I defend our underperforming players that have shown good production in the past. I'll just start criticizing instead so I can be cool. C. I can't remember the last time I saw you "support" a player unless you mean saying that Bregman was almost making you a fan ... I guess that's support, technically? A. I said he is killing the team , and, he is at the present time. He has been covered for by Bregman and White. He and Correa are doing absolutely nothing at the present time to help us win. The team is winning in spite of them, not due to anything they are contributing. 2. You defended White before he had done anything to warrant it and was trashing Gurriel even though....at that time......was the more productive player who was leading the league in hitting with RISP. 3. I support the players....... I just don't think you have to praise them for under-achieving in order to show support. YOU continued to bash Osuna while he is doing a good job by calling him a wife beater when you know damn well he has never been married nor has he been convicted of anything. YOU starteed bashing Maldonado from the minute Luhnow acquired him and went so far to announce that he would not make the playoff roster. You also continued to try to prove what a top catcher Stassi is when he has continued to do nothing. I told you that when McCann came back that he and Maldonoado would do the catching, If you will check, you will see that your boy, Stassi, hasn't been behind the plate since McCann's return. He and Maldonado are alternating doing the catching while Stassi watches and tries to learn something. I am not saying we should get rid of Stassi but his playing time won't be much as long as we have the other two. You back up every position you take on a player on his WAR, OPS, or some other stat, Most of us go by what we see and what is going on at the present time. When I said White should be sent back down, he had done nothing to show that he should stay., At the present, he is doing a fantastic job and we would be in trouble without him. His damn WAR or OPS a few weeks ago has nothing to do with it. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 9:57:24 GMT -6
Literally my exact words to somebody saying he should be demoted was "that seems excessive". Not wanting to demote a 2017 all-star (and ROY candidate in 2016) with a 3.98 ERA (before the HR) who just came off the DL means I'm being too supportive and saying it's okay to have bad performances? The comment wasn't "Devo had a rough appearance" or "Devo looked bad". It was saying he should be back in AAA. So I just said that seemed too extreme. I'm not saying he pitched well or that he didn't deserve criticism. Harris is a good reliever like Devenski, but I hope Hinch realizes that there are better options now. Devenski, especially, is one in the mold of Giles who hopes that hitters swing at balls out of the zone and therefore narrow down which pitch will be in the zone (fastball most likely). The others go after you and make outs happen. Most relievers see some fluctuation year to year based on all kinds of reasons. Devo is still a good reliever that needs to work through some stuff. His movement looks great but is command needs improvement. To me, both him and Harris are 6-7 inning guys right now. I don't think they should be in high leverage situations, but they're not mop-up guys either. They're somewhere in between. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 5, 2018 9:58:27 GMT -6
Literally my exact words to somebody saying he should be demoted was "that seems excessive". Not wanting to demote a 2017 all-star (and ROY candidate in 2016) with a 3.98 ERA (before the HR) who just came off the DL means I'm being too supportive and saying it's okay to have bad performances? The comment wasn't "Devo had a rough appearance" or "Devo looked bad". It was saying he should be back in AAA. So I just said that seemed too extreme. I'm not saying he pitched well or that he didn't deserve criticism. Harris is a good reliever like Devenski, but I hope Hinch realizes that there are better options now. Devenski, especially, is one in the mold of Giles who hopes that hitters swing at balls out of the zone and therefore narrow down which pitch will be in the zone (fastball most likely). The others go after you and make outs happen. Tell me what you see that makes you think Harris and Devenski are still good relievers........Harris allows inherited runners to score at a record pace. Devenski has nothing to use to get batters out. We should be glad that Hinch recognized that and got Osuna into the game last night before Devenski had a chance to blow the game. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 5, 2018 10:01:02 GMT -6
Harris is a good reliever like Devenski, but I hope Hinch realizes that there are better options now. Devenski, especially, is one in the mold of Giles who hopes that hitters swing at balls out of the zone and therefore narrow down which pitch will be in the zone (fastball most likely). The others go after you and make outs happen. Most relievers see some fluctuation year to year based on all kinds of reasons. Devo is still a good reliever that needs to work through some stuff. His movement looks great but is command needs improvement. To me, both him and Harris are 6-7 inning guys right now. I don't think they should be in high leverage situations, but they're not mop-up guys either. They're somewhere in between. "Movement looks great"!!!! He had no movement.....He framed the pitch that Polanco hit for home run.....He had no movement on it at all. He would have done as well to set it on a tee and tell Polanco to hit it, Then, he followed the home run up with a walk and Hinch came and got him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 5, 2018 10:07:25 GMT -6
Harris is a good reliever like Devenski, but I hope Hinch realizes that there are better options now. Devenski, especially, is one in the mold of Giles who hopes that hitters swing at balls out of the zone and therefore narrow down which pitch will be in the zone (fastball most likely). The others go after you and make outs happen. Tell me what you see that makes you think Harris and Devenski are still good relievers........Harris allows inherited runners to score at a record pace. Devenski has nothing to use to get batters out. We should be glad that Hinch recognized that and got Osuna into the game last night before Devenski had a chance to blow the game. They have a good track record. Harris is okay but is pitching worse than usual. Devenski is experiencing his first real rough patch. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 10:08:50 GMT -6
A. Wanting Altuve to improve is not criticizing. I never ask for him to be demoted or say he is "killing" the team. You just can't get past the fact that I said he was overrated when he first came up years ago. Overrated, not bad. B. I'm sorry I defend our underperforming players that have shown good production in the past. I'll just start criticizing instead so I can be cool. C. I can't remember the last time I saw you "support" a player unless you mean saying that Bregman was almost making you a fan ... I guess that's support, technically? A. I said he is killing the team , and, he is at the present time. He has been covered for by Bregman and White. He and Correa are doing absolutely nothing at the present time to help us win. The team is winning in spite of them, not due to anything they are contributing. Ask any player on that team how it is having Altuve back and they'll point to the 10-3 record since he came back. He's had a few bad games but he has also hit the ball hard a couple times with nothing to show. You don't bench the reigning the MVP every time he has a small cold spell.2. You defended White before he had done anything to warrant it and was trashing Gurriel even though....at that time......was the more productive player who was leading the league in hitting with RISP. No, you were the only person that just couldn't recognize that White was producing. I only "trashed" Gurriel to make a point about your ridiculous inconsistent arguments at the time. Gurriel is a fine average player. 3. I support the players....... I just don't think you have to praise them for under-achieving in order to show support. Nowhere did I say poor performance should be praised. Find where I said that. I only ever defend the players against people making ridiculous over the top comments like saying they're "killing the team" or should be demoted, benched, traded, or that their fiance is screwing them into a slump. I try to show that all of our current players have value in certain situations/uses. If we had a bad player that had no value, I'd say so.YOU continued to bash Osuna while he is doing a good job by calling him a wife beater when you know damn well he has never been married nor has he been convicted of anything. YOU starteed bashing Maldonado from the minute Luhnow acquired him and went so far to announce that he would not make the playoff roster. You also continued to try to prove what a top catcher Stassi is when he has continued to do nothing. I told you that when McCann came back that he and Maldonoado would do the catching, If you will check, you will see that your boy, Stassi, hasn't been behind the plate since McCann's return. He and Maldonado are alternating doing the catching while Stassi watches and tries to learn something. I am not saying we should get rid of Stassi but his playing time won't be much as long as we have the other two. Where have I bashed a performance by Osuna outside of him blowing two tie games? He's been solid so far. I bashed Maldonado at what he was bad at: hitting. I said his receiving skills were overrated but that he had a great arm. That's consistent with the facts at the time that I posted. You just didn't agree with them. He's certainly had a nice offensive run, but he's coming back down to earth and had two wild pitches get by him in his last start. And yes, Stassi has seen his playing time go down. He looks worn down and he's getting some time off. The way it should be. He's still a better overall player than Maldonado if you can look past your own bias. You back up every position you take on a player on his WAR, OPS, or some other stat, Most of us go by what we see and what is going on at the present time. When I said White should be sent back down, he had done nothing to show that he should stay., At the present, he is doing a fantastic job and we would be in trouble without him. His damn WAR or OPS a few weeks ago has nothing to do with it. I use a great number of stats in my defense of players. I can't help that you don't, or won't, understand them. I've also used intangibles. Just because I use WAR and others doesn't mean I think they're the holy grail. They're just popular stats these days that organizations and voters place a lot of value in, even if you don't. |
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