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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 10:09:56 GMT -6
Most relievers see some fluctuation year to year based on all kinds of reasons. Devo is still a good reliever that needs to work through some stuff. His movement looks great but is command needs improvement. To me, both him and Harris are 6-7 inning guys right now. I don't think they should be in high leverage situations, but they're not mop-up guys either. They're somewhere in between. "Movement looks great"!!!! He had no movement.....He framed the pitch that Polanco hit for home run.....He had no movement on it at all. He would have done as well to set it on a tee and tell Polanco to hit it, Then, he followed the home run up with a walk and Hinch came and got him. No movement? You must not have as good an eye for baseball as you claim. His changeup was fantastic; just not in the zone. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 5, 2018 10:10:21 GMT -6
Harris is a good reliever like Devenski, but I hope Hinch realizes that there are better options now. Devenski, especially, is one in the mold of Giles who hopes that hitters swing at balls out of the zone and therefore narrow down which pitch will be in the zone (fastball most likely). The others go after you and make outs happen. Most relievers see some fluctuation year to year based on all kinds of reasons. Devo is still a good reliever that needs to work through some stuff. His movement looks great but is command needs improvement. To me, both him and Harris are 6-7 inning guys right now. I don't think they should be in high leverage situations, but they're not mop-up guys either. They're somewhere in between. Relievers are like runningbacks. They burn the brightest but burn quickly. They have a short shelf life, which is why the Wagners, Riveras, and Hoffmans of the world get such high praise. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 10:16:59 GMT -6
Most relievers see some fluctuation year to year based on all kinds of reasons. Devo is still a good reliever that needs to work through some stuff. His movement looks great but is command needs improvement. To me, both him and Harris are 6-7 inning guys right now. I don't think they should be in high leverage situations, but they're not mop-up guys either. They're somewhere in between. Relievers are like runningbacks. They burn the brightest but burn quickly. They have a short shelf life, which is why the Wagners, Riveras, and Hoffmans of the world get such high praise. That's a good way to put it. But also fans have a tendency to forget the previous good several appearances as soon as they have one bad outing. It always surprised me how quickly people are ready to hang Harris when he was so good for us the previous three years. He's not a good high leverage reliever for us right now, but he's certainly still a solid bullpen piece. |
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Post by sempersmom on Sept 5, 2018 10:17:13 GMT -6
Literally my exact words to somebody saying he should be demoted was "that seems excessive". Not wanting to demote a 2017 all-star (and ROY candidate in 2016) with a 3.98 ERA (before the HR) who just came off the DL means I'm being too supportive and saying it's okay to have bad performances? The comment wasn't "Devo had a rough appearance" or "Devo looked bad". It was saying he should be back in AAA. So I just said that seemed too extreme. I'm not saying he pitched well or that he didn't deserve criticism.  I can't stop laughing!! |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 10:40:32 GMT -6
Harris is a good reliever like Devenski, but I hope Hinch realizes that there are better options now. Devenski, especially, is one in the mold of Giles who hopes that hitters swing at balls out of the zone and therefore narrow down which pitch will be in the zone (fastball most likely). The others go after you and make outs happen. Most relievers see some fluctuation year to year based on all kinds of reasons. Devo is still a good reliever that needs to work through some stuff. Exactly. He needs to work through some stuff...but he doesn't need to be doing it in MLB games which we need to win if we plan to play in the playoffs. A 3.5 game lead is nothing. Allowing Devo to give up late leads and strut around the mound while "working some things out" is an act of idiocy. Hes been horrible for at least a couple of months. The team cant carry him while he struggles and gives up bombs to half the hitters he faces. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 10:44:38 GMT -6
Most relievers see some fluctuation year to year based on all kinds of reasons. Devo is still a good reliever that needs to work through some stuff. Exactly. He needs to work through some stuff...but he doesn't need to be doing it in MLB games which we need to win if we plan to play in the playoffs. A 3.5 game lead is nothing. Allowing Devo to give up late leads and strut around the mound while "working some things out" is an act of idiocy. Hes been horrible for at least a couple of months. The team cant carry him while he struggles and gives up bombs to half the hitters he faces. The team can "carry" a guy with an ERA of 4.00 if they use him when he should be used. Instead of using Pressly in the 7th inning of a 4-run lead, use Devo. How do you get a guy ready for the postseason if you're having him bat against minor leaguers with no stress at all? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 10:49:37 GMT -6
IF AJ would only use Jake as a late inning sub...
IF AJ would move George out of the 1 slot...
IF Giles was only used in 2 or 3 run lead situations...
IF Devo wasn't used in tight games...
IF Correa wasn't left on the cleanup position...
IF a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he jumps...
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 10:51:26 GMT -6
IF AJ would only use Jake as a late inning sub... IF AJ would move George out of the 1 slot... IF Giles was only used in 2 or 3 run lead situations... IF Devo wasn't used in tight games... IF Correa wasn't left on the cleanup position... IF a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he jumps... Riiiight.... Because there are no such thing as roleplayers in sports. Nobody should use players in situations where they're successful. That makes tons of sense. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 11:08:08 GMT -6
Those are all excuses that you and others have posted in regards to the misuse of struggling or untalented players on this team.
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 11:14:28 GMT -6
Those are all excuses that you and others have posted in regards to the misuse of struggling or untalented players on this team. So then you're saying... Marisnick shouldn't be used as a late inning defensive replacement, baserunner, or a spot starter? Springer should hit leadoff despite a lower OBP than several other players? Correa should hit cleanup when he's slumping? Giles, a career closer who has had great success in 1-3 run leads, should be used in other situations? That Devo, while slumping, shouldn't be used in lower leverage situations? I'm not sure how they're excuses if all of those reasons are based with fact (and not WAR or other scary stats). What do you think should be done with them? Send them all to AAA? Instead of ridiculing other posters for having opinions on how they should be used, what do YOU think should be done with them? (I know your thoughts on Giles.) |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 11:24:05 GMT -6
No, you missed the point completely. I'm saying that yall posted those comments when the opposite was happening. Jake was being used as a starter (and killing the team). Giles was being used in situations he couldn't handle (and killing the team). And through it all, you were there with your IF statements. And you're still doing it...IF Harris and IF Devo were being used in low pressure situations...while they're brought out in HIGH pressure situations, and causing damage time after time.
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 11:27:26 GMT -6
No, you missed the point completely. I'm saying that yall posted those comments when the opposite was happening. Jake was being used as a starter (and killing the team). Giles was being used in situations he couldn't handle (and killing the team). And through it all, you were there with your IF statements. And you're still doing it...IF Harris and IF Devo were being used in low pressure situations...while they're brought out in HIGH pressure situations, and causing damage time after time. Then I don't understand. You're saying that we shouldn't say when we think a player isn't being used in the right situation? What are we supposed to say? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 11:57:59 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 12:01:36 GMT -6
I'm just as confused with what you're trying to say. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 5, 2018 12:04:29 GMT -6
Star Wars>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Star Trek |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 12:36:04 GMT -6
Star Wars>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Star Trek That's why you'll always just be a sidekick. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 5, 2018 12:49:12 GMT -6
In-fighting? What’d I miss? There was a brawl in the clubhouse before the game. Reasons unknown. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 5, 2018 13:14:42 GMT -6
If you think Stassi is better than Maldonado, there is no hope for you. You are whowing bias against Maldonadol
As for Altuve, we are doing better as a team since his return even though he has done very little offensively to contribute to the success.
The above comments are in response to Saint.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 5, 2018 13:19:06 GMT -6
Star Wars>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Star Trek That's why you'll always just be a sidekick. I am so embarrassed to be your alleged SK right now, you're getting owned by Saint. Keep getting burned, and Fanastro should put under name, Saint's Bitch. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 13:28:26 GMT -6
If you think Stassi is better than Maldonado, there is no hope for you. You are whowing bias against Maldonadol As for Altuve, we are doing better as a team since his return even though he has done very little offensively to contribute to the success. Literally every offensive statistic, framing metrics, or hypothetical sabermetric number says you're completely wrong. Your "eyeballing" may tell you Maldonado is better because that's what you go by, but literally any actual real proof of performance you can think of to compare the two, Stassi is better at than Maldonado except for throwing out baserunners. Maldonado has been better recently for a small sample size, but, for the year so far, Stassi is the all-around better player. It's not bias. It's, again, literally proven by any statistical evidence you want to use. You want to use offensive percentages like AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, AVG w/RISP, OPS w/RISP? You want to use WAR, oWAR, dWAR? You want to use runs created? You want to use framing statistics? You want to use Pass Balls or Wild Pitches allowed? How are you determining Maldanado to be the better catcher? Just because he throws out more baserunners? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 13:39:09 GMT -6
Why is Stassi riding the pine. Does the sabrmetric manager not see the same stats?
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 13:51:27 GMT -6
Why is Stassi riding the pine. Does the sabrmetric manager not see the same stats? Time off. Maldonado has been hotter recently. McCann is back and there is limited playing time. Combination there of. Your question doesn't have anything to do with what I asked Coach. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 13:59:04 GMT -6
I'm just trying to ask why a metrics-driven manager would bench a clearly better (metrics-wise) player for two inferior players.
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 14:03:47 GMT -6
I'm just trying to ask why a metrics-driven manager would bench a clearly better (metrics-wise) player for two inferior players. Because Hinch has shown a tendency to favor veterans even when struggling/slumping. Which is understandable in a playoff race. Plus Stassi has looked worn down the last month or so, so giving him more time off now that McCann is back makes sense. Doesn't mean that Stassi isn't the better overall catcher compared to Maldonado for the year. That being said, for all the times you and others have bashed "the clipboard" why does what he does now with player management make a difference? edit: Not to mention that Stassi hasn't play many more games in a season then he already has due to injuries and such. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 5, 2018 14:42:02 GMT -6
I've never mentioned the clipboard. That's olpapa |
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Post by Saint on Sept 5, 2018 14:48:42 GMT -6
I've seen it from so many people I can't keep up. In any case I mostly find the nickname funny, it wasn't the point of the post.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 5, 2018 15:16:10 GMT -6
Star Wars>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Star Trek Not fair. One uses advances in science primarily while the other uses mystical elements of fantasy. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 5, 2018 15:16:34 GMT -6
There was a brawl in the clubhouse before the game. Reasons unknown. Good job, Jean. |
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Post by olpapa on Sept 5, 2018 16:14:19 GMT -6
I've seen it from so many people I can't keep up. In any case I mostly find the nickname funny, it wasn't the point of the post. So...you think the clipboard is funny, do you? You won’t think it’s so funny when AJ calls down fire and brimstone on you!! |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 5, 2018 18:38:25 GMT -6
Jean Segura chewed out Dee Gordon for missing a routine fly Monday Good job, Jean. |
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