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Post by m240 on Oct 10, 2018 17:49:37 GMT -6
Eh, I’m sure people loved Quintero just because Ausmus was a mediocre hitter. A lot of people like Maldonado because he comes through on offense unexpectedly, he’s well liked by the team, and because people second guess stealing bases against him. He’s got a good reputation as well as a Gold Glove under his belt. I’m not saying Maldonado should be a starter, but with McCann most assuredly headed out the door, people aren’t comfortable handing the reins over to Stassi and a rookie like Stubbs. It’s the fear of the unknown. Fear of the unknown? Come on, Sherwin... When Maldonado first came here I watched where he set up versus the hitters heat map, (hard contact zones). The second game I looked at the pitchers soft contact zones and overlaid the hitters heat maps and watched his pitch placement Calls. The dude calls a good game. I made comment on it in real time on the game threads. Offense is a bonus with him. He is not a front line starter, he like Stassi is a good back up. Nothing more, nothing less. His value is his game planning. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 10, 2018 18:03:03 GMT -6
Fear of the unknown? Come on, Sherwin... When Maldonado first came here I watched where he set up versus the hitters heat map, (hard contact zones). The second game I looked at the pitchers soft contact zones and overlaid the hitters heat maps and watched his pitch placement Calls. The dude calls a good game. I made comment on it in real time on the game threads. Offense is a bonus with him. He is not a front line starter, he like Stassi is a good back up. Nothing more, nothing less. His value is his game planning. But you know that comes from the analysts and the coaches. Maldonado isn't the one doing that by himself. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 10, 2018 20:28:44 GMT -6
Eh, I’m sure people loved Quintero just because Ausmus was a mediocre hitter. A lot of people like Maldonado because he comes through on offense unexpectedly, he’s well liked by the team, and because people second guess stealing bases against him. He’s got a good reputation as well as a Gold Glove under his belt. I’m not saying Maldonado should be a starter, but with McCann most assuredly headed out the door, people aren’t comfortable handing the reins over to Stassi and a rookie like Stubbs. It’s the fear of the unknown. Fear of the unknown? Come on, Sherwin... So, if you’re okay with the possibility of Stassi failing to hit, you shouldn’t gripe about Maldonado. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 10, 2018 21:52:02 GMT -6
Stassi is weaker all the way around than Maldonado.
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Post by m240 on Oct 11, 2018 7:25:50 GMT -6
Fear of the unknown? Come on, Sherwin... So, if you’re okay with the possibility of Stassi failing to hit, you shouldn’t gripe about Maldonado. Of course not but he does have to remember specifics and between him and the pitcher they determine how to set guys up. For instance take Reddick. Reddick kills the ball down and in. This year he has become enamored with his power and tries to pull everything down and outside. So a four seamer from a right handler on the outside corner usually results in a ground ball to the second baseman. So which at bat do you use this. If he sees to much of it he can adjust. The question becomes when do you use it. If you have a guy who has the feel for what is the right thing at the right time the coach and the pitcher go with it. So no shaking off of his pitches. Verlander has a real good idea of what he wants to do to set guys up and he creates a complete plan for a game based upon the hitters and the order that he sees them. But then he has to adjust based upon how his stuff is working that day. Maldonado can figure that out and he is the one who knows best as to what is working and what is not. That is his value. |
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Post by m240 on Oct 11, 2018 7:26:40 GMT -6
Oops quoted the wrong post. That was a response to Saint.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 7:29:13 GMT -6
If someone told me back in April that a Stassi- Maldonado pissing match would have been the most controversial issue at this board, I told them they're crazy.
(with added argument of Giles and Osuna)
Just goes to show how good we have it.
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Post by m240 on Oct 11, 2018 7:36:22 GMT -6
Amen
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Post by olpapa on Oct 11, 2018 8:00:47 GMT -6
As a person who people get on for the mildest of criticism, it’s only fair that I call someone out for theirs on occasion. It's not just you. I can't remember a time where I've seen so many people rooting for a random backup catcher the way they are for Maldonado. And it's not just Corch. I don’t know that I have been one of the “ people rooting for a random backup catcher,” and I can’t speak for anyone else, but it has been nice to see how Maldonado has put an end to opposing teams running amuck on the bases against the Astros. We endured Hank Conger and his 1 CS vs 42 SB in 2016. In 2017 we watched Houston catchers throw out just 14 runners attempting to steal while allowing 102 stolen bases. In 487 innings caught in the regular season by McCann in 2018 opposing teams attempted to steal 28 times (one attempted steal for every 17.39 innings caught) and he threw out 9 which is a little better than the league average which is 28% CS. In 587 innings caught by Stassi in 2018 opposing teams attempted to steal 43 times (one attempted steal for every 13.65 innings caught) and he threw out 11....not horrible, but below league average. Maldanado has caught 294 innings since coming to Houston and opposing teams attempted to steal just 8 times (one attempted steal for every 36.75 innings caught) against him.... and he threw out 5 of them. For the season...time with the Angels and Astros combined....teams attempted to steal on Maldanado 35 times in 967 innings caught (one attempted steal for every 27.63 innings caught) and he has thrown out 17 which works out to a 48.6% CS rate. There is no question that Maldonado’s presence behind the plate does restrict opposing teams’ running game by reducing the frequency of steal attempts and by increasing the number of runners caught stealing when they do attempt to steal. I think all of that should help explain why so many people are rooting for a random backup catcher. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 11, 2018 8:13:25 GMT -6
Fear of the unknown? Come on, Sherwin... So, if you’re okay with the possibility of Stassi failing to hit, you shouldn’t gripe about Maldonado. What? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 11, 2018 8:14:42 GMT -6
So, if you’re okay with the possibility of Stassi failing to hit, you shouldn’t gripe about Maldonado. Of course not but he does have to remember specifics and between him and the pitcher they determine how to set guys up. For instance take Reddick. Reddick kills the ball down and in. This year he has become enamored with his power and tries to pull everything down and outside. So a four seamer from a right handler on the outside corner usually results in a ground ball to the second baseman. So which at bat do you use this. If he sees to much of it he can adjust. The question becomes when do you use it. If you have a guy who has the feel for what is the right thing at the right time the coach and the pitcher go with it. So no shaking off of his pitches. Verlander has a real good idea of what he wants to do to set guys up and he creates a complete plan for a game based upon the hitters and the order that he sees them. But then he has to adjust based upon how his stuff is working that day. Maldonado can figure that out and he is the one who knows best as to what is working and what is not. That is his value. That's part of their value (and it can't be determined to what level is actually the catcher and what isn't) but that's not even close to all of it. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 11, 2018 8:16:03 GMT -6
It's not just you. I can't remember a time where I've seen so many people rooting for a random backup catcher the way they are for Maldonado. And it's not just Corch. I don’t know that I have been one of the “ people rooting for a random backup catcher,” and I can’t speak for anyone else, but it has been nice to see how Maldonado has put an end to opposing teams running amuck on the bases against the Astros. We endured Hank Conger and his 1 CS vs 42 SB in 2016. In 2017 we watched Houston catchers throw out just 14 runners attempting to steal while allowing 102 stolen bases. In 487 innings caught in the regular season by McCann in 2018 opposing teams attempted to steal 28 times (one attempted steal for every 17.39 innings caught) and he threw out 9 which is a little better than the league average which is 28% CS. In 587 innings caught by Stassi in 2018 opposing teams attempted to steal 43 times (one attempted steal for every 13.65 innings caught) and he threw out 11....not horrible, but below league average. Maldanado has caught 294 innings since coming to Houston and opposing teams attempted to steal just 8 times (one attempted steal for every 36.75 innings caught) against him.... and he threw out 5 of them. For the season...time with the Angels and Astros combined....teams attempted to steal on Maldanado 35 times in 967 innings caught (one attempted steal for every 27.63 innings caught) and he has thrown out 17 which works out to a 48.6% CS rate. There is no question that Maldonado’s presence behind the plate does restrict opposing teams’ running game by reducing the frequency of steal attempts and by increasing the number of runners caught stealing when they do attempt to steal. I think all of that should help explain why so many people are rooting for a random backup catcher. Sure. I've said all along that Maldonado has an elite arm. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 11, 2018 8:20:17 GMT -6
I don’t know that I have been one of the “ people rooting for a random backup catcher,” and I can’t speak for anyone else, but it has been nice to see how Maldonado has put an end to opposing teams running amuck on the bases against the Astros. We endured Hank Conger and his 1 CS vs 42 SB in 2016. In 2017 we watched Houston catchers throw out just 14 runners attempting to steal while allowing 102 stolen bases. In 487 innings caught in the regular season by McCann in 2018 opposing teams attempted to steal 28 times (one attempted steal for every 17.39 innings caught) and he threw out 9 which is a little better than the league average which is 28% CS. In 587 innings caught by Stassi in 2018 opposing teams attempted to steal 43 times (one attempted steal for every 13.65 innings caught) and he threw out 11....not horrible, but below league average. Maldanado has caught 294 innings since coming to Houston and opposing teams attempted to steal just 8 times (one attempted steal for every 36.75 innings caught) against him.... and he threw out 5 of them. For the season...time with the Angels and Astros combined....teams attempted to steal on Maldanado 35 times in 967 innings caught (one attempted steal for every 27.63 innings caught) and he has thrown out 17 which works out to a 48.6% CS rate. There is no question that Maldonado’s presence behind the plate does restrict opposing teams’ running game by reducing the frequency of steal attempts and by increasing the number of runners caught stealing when they do attempt to steal. I think all of that should help explain why so many people are rooting for a random backup catcher. Sure. I've said all along that Maldonado has an elite arm. If Maldonado is a "random backup catcher" how should Stassi be described............let's see.........how does third-string flop sound?? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 11, 2018 8:24:23 GMT -6
Sure. I've said all along that Maldonado has an elite arm. If Maldonado is a "random backup catcher" how should Stassi be described............let's see.........how does third-string flop sound??  |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 11, 2018 9:29:17 GMT -6
It's not just you. I can't remember a time where I've seen so many people rooting for a random backup catcher the way they are for Maldonado. And it's not just Corch. Eh, I’m sure people loved Quintero just because Ausmus was a mediocre hitter. A lot of people like Maldonado because he comes through on offense unexpectedly, he’s well liked by the team, and because people second guess stealing bases against him. He’s got a good reputation as well as a Gold Glove under his belt. I’m not saying Maldonado should be a starter, but with McCann most assuredly headed out the door, people aren’t comfortable handing the reins over to Stassi and a rookie like Stubbs. It’s the fear of the unknown. I actually saw him working with all-stars in Florida. He has been busy. I expect him to be back when we play Boston. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 11, 2018 9:37:42 GMT -6
Eh, I’m sure people loved Quintero just because Ausmus was a mediocre hitter. A lot of people like Maldonado because he comes through on offense unexpectedly, he’s well liked by the team, and because people second guess stealing bases against him. He’s got a good reputation as well as a Gold Glove under his belt. I’m not saying Maldonado should be a starter, but with McCann most assuredly headed out the door, people aren’t comfortable handing the reins over to Stassi and a rookie like Stubbs. It’s the fear of the unknown. I actually saw him working with all-stars in Florida. He has been busy. I expect him to be back when we play Boston.
astrosrefugees.proboards.com/post/51734/thread |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 11, 2018 11:16:35 GMT -6
If Maldonado is a "random backup catcher" how should Stassi be described............let's see.........how does third-string flop sound?? Since you have nothing to refute what I said, that is the best you can do........good job, geek!  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 11, 2018 11:19:05 GMT -6
I'm sure PUNK ASS astros fan has been busy. The old windbag thinks he's an authority......he is just like the rest of us.......someone with an opinion and his opinion is no more credible than any of the rest, even though he thinks it is. |
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