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Post by m240 on Oct 18, 2018 8:24:31 GMT -6
White has a place here but what we really need is someone of substance to hit #4. When you look at our line up we do not have anyone to hit there.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 18, 2018 8:33:39 GMT -6
I don't think the Astros played poorly. They fought all the way through. In the end, their bullpen has stepped up way better than ours. It was going to be tough to beat Boston even without fluke plays like balls rolling along fence tops, or HRs being cancelled, etc. They will have just as good a team next year. They can get back here. Series isn't over yet, Astros have a great chance in winning today...but, looking ahead, I hope Luhnow would consider bringing Nelson Cruz here for a 1 year deal, with a 2nd year option.... I agree 100%. He MUST go after a catcher with Realmuto the top target. Re-sign Morton and Marwin. |
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Post by sempersmom on Oct 18, 2018 8:36:02 GMT -6
Why am I still so angry this morning? I took my anxiety medication last night, fell asleep, but I'm still pissed. I need to let it go but it's going to take a while.
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Post by Saint on Oct 18, 2018 8:54:58 GMT -6
I don't think the Astros played poorly. They fought all the way through. In the end, their bullpen has stepped up way better than ours. It was going to be tough to beat Boston even without fluke plays like balls rolling along fence tops, or HRs being cancelled, etc. They will have just as good a team next year. They can get back here. Series isn't over yet, Astros have a great chance in winning today...but, looking ahead, I hope Luhnow would consider bringing Nelson Cruz here for a 1 year deal, with a 2nd year option.... Ugh, Cruz. What if he cheats again? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 18, 2018 9:12:30 GMT -6
We badly need a DH. White isn't gonna cut it, and neither is Gattis. They’re going to need an answer for LF with Marwin leaving as well. Love him or hate him, he has done an admirable job considering he was a Rule V acquisition. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 18, 2018 9:14:48 GMT -6
Series isn't over yet, Astros have a great chance in winning today...but, looking ahead, I hope Luhnow would consider bringing Nelson Cruz here for a 1 year deal, with a 2nd year option.... Ugh, Cruz. What if he cheats again? Cruz is a little long in the tooth, but it’s better than watching Gattis and White fail when it matters most. Gattis not pinch hitting last night tells me enough. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 18, 2018 9:15:36 GMT -6
Series isn't over yet, Astros have a great chance in winning today...but, looking ahead, I hope Luhnow would consider bringing Nelson Cruz here for a 1 year deal, with a 2nd year option.... I agree 100%. He MUST go after a catcher with Realmuto the top target. Re-sign Morton and Marwin. They’ll need answers for C, LF, and DH. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 18, 2018 9:21:11 GMT -6
Series isn't over yet, Astros have a great chance in winning today...but, looking ahead, I hope Luhnow would consider bringing Nelson Cruz here for a 1 year deal, with a 2nd year option.... Ugh, Cruz. What if he cheats again? These aren't Drayton's Astros. A little cheating is ok nowadays. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 18, 2018 9:22:56 GMT -6
I don't think the Astros played poorly. They fought all the way through. In the end, their bullpen has stepped up way better than ours. It was going to be tough to beat Boston even without fluke plays like balls rolling along fence tops, or HRs being cancelled, etc. They will have just as good a team next year. They can get back here. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 18, 2018 9:26:17 GMT -6
I don't think the Astros played poorly. They fought all the way through. In the end, their bullpen has stepped up way better than ours. It was going to be tough to beat Boston even without fluke plays like balls rolling along fence tops, or HRs being cancelled, etc. They will have just as good a team next year. They can get back here. My main problem is Osuna. His innings are almost never clean. Despite last night’s game, I still say that Pressly is their best. Josh James has some real promise, but Hinch put too much on the kid and it eventually got him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 18, 2018 9:27:54 GMT -6
Does everyone think that Maldonado wore out his welcome here with the bad blocking?
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 18, 2018 9:29:35 GMT -6
Ugh, Cruz. What if he cheats again? These aren't Drayton's Astros. A little cheating is ok nowadays. I think the complaints about the Astros, especially the timing, were attempts to distract the team and were supposed to briefly get them to lose their focus. I think it worked. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 18, 2018 9:32:09 GMT -6
These aren't Drayton's Astros. A little cheating is ok nowadays. I think the complaints about the Astros, especially the timing, were attempts to distract the team and were supposed to briefly get them to lose their focus. I think it worked. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 18, 2018 9:38:26 GMT -6
I think the complaints about the Astros, especially the timing, were attempts to distract the team and were supposed to briefly get them to lose their focus. I think it worked. He’s like a statue back there. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 18, 2018 10:34:01 GMT -6
I don't think the Astros played poorly. They fought all the way through. In the end, their bullpen has stepped up way better than ours. It was going to be tough to beat Boston even without fluke plays like balls rolling along fence tops, or HRs being cancelled, etc. They will have just as good a team next year. They can get back here. I have not given up. If JV is himself today and Cole bounces back in Boston our guys can take both games. If we can get it to a game 7 the pressure shifts to the Red Sox and momentum to the Astros. If we can’t beat them in games 5 & 6 with JV and Cole starting, then “it is what it is” and you just “have to tip your cap to them.” I hope AJ sticks with the 1-4 in the batting order that he used yesterday. |
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Post by sempersmom on Oct 18, 2018 10:45:42 GMT -6
I don't think the Astros played poorly. They fought all the way through. In the end, their bullpen has stepped up way better than ours. It was going to be tough to beat Boston even without fluke plays like balls rolling along fence tops, or HRs being cancelled, etc. They will have just as good a team next year. They can get back here. I have not given up. If JV is himself today and Cole bounces back in Boston our guys can take both games. If we can get it to a game 7 the pressure shifts to the Red Sox and momentum to the Astros. If we can’t beat them in games 5 & 6 with JV and Cole starting, then “it is what it is” and you just “have to tip your cap to them.” I hope AJ sticks with the 1-4 in the batting order that he used yesterday. I see what you did there. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 18, 2018 11:10:27 GMT -6
I agree 100%. He MUST go after a catcher with Realmuto the top target. Re-sign Morton and Marwin. They’ll need answers for C, LF, and DH. Cruz should solve the DH problem.. I doubt if they do anything about LF, especially if Marwin is re-signed. We have Tucker and Straw, too. I imagine this series has turned heads about Maldonado beinig re-signed. I would consider a one-year deal with incentives. We must concentrate on keeping Morton and Marwin........Say goodbye to Keuchel, Harris,and Gattis. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 18, 2018 11:11:55 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 18, 2018 11:13:49 GMT -6
the relief core has played poorly .. just like last October. I don't know if Hinch has enough zipties to fix it this time around My main problem is Osuna. His innings are almost never clean. Despite last night’s game, I still say that Pressly is their best. Josh James has some real promise, but Hinch put too much on the kid and it eventually got him. Hinch must be having deja vu of 2017 bullpen playoff woes.....James looks really promising, but he is a rookie with very little time in the majors, and Hinch rode him too long...If the Astros do make it to game 6....I would hope Hinch employs/uses the relievers in these situations Closing - Pressly, Osuna, Morton Long Inning Relief - McHugh, James, McCullers, Morton Messy Situations - Pressly, McHugh and maybe Morton Left Handed Batter - Sipp (Pressly if it is a messy situation) I don't know - Rondon or Smith |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 18, 2018 11:17:32 GMT -6
Series isn't over yet, Astros have a great chance in winning today...but, looking ahead, I hope Luhnow would consider bringing Nelson Cruz here for a 1 year deal, with a 2nd year option.... Ugh, Cruz. What if he cheats again? If you don't want a guy who has averaged 37 home runs and over 100 runs batted in for his career, who do you suggest? Cruz would flourish at MMP. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 11:17:49 GMT -6
Does everyone think that Maldonado wore out his welcome here with the bad blocking? I am guessing we see the last of him within a week. If this is what a gold glove is supposed to look like, I sure hate to see the aluminum ones. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 18, 2018 11:18:42 GMT -6
My main problem is Osuna. His innings are almost never clean. Despite last night’s game, I still say that Pressly is their best. Josh James has some real promise, but Hinch put too much on the kid and it eventually got him. Hinch must be having deja vu of 2017 bullpen playoff woes.....James looks really promising, but he is a rookie with very little time in the majors, and Hinch rode him too long...If the Astros do make it to game 6....I would hope Hinch employs/uses the relievers in these situations Closing - Pressly, Osuna, Morton Long Inning Relief - McHugh, James, McCullers, Morton Messy Situations - Pressly, McHugh and maybe Morton Left Handed Batter - Sipp (Pressly if it is a messy situation) I don't know - Rondon or Smith Hinch is in much better shape for pitching than Cora...he fired his bullets last night. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 18, 2018 11:26:14 GMT -6
My problem with Cruz is that another caught PED-using and he's out for the whole year, right? There are other options for DH, like Matt Adams off the top of my head.
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Post by Saint on Oct 18, 2018 11:29:32 GMT -6
I don't think the Astros played poorly. They fought all the way through. In the end, their bullpen has stepped up way better than ours. It was going to be tough to beat Boston even without fluke plays like balls rolling along fence tops, or HRs being cancelled, etc. They will have just as good a team next year. They can get back here. I have not given up. If JV is himself today and Cole bounces back in Boston our guys can take both games. If we can get it to a game 7 the pressure shifts to the Red Sox and momentum to the Astros. If we can’t beat them in games 5 & 6 with JV and Cole starting, then “it is what it is” and you just “have to tip your cap to them.” I hope AJ sticks with the 1-4 in the batting order that he used yesterday. That's the only way to look at it this point. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 18, 2018 11:38:16 GMT -6
This quote from Betts confirms that it was not fan interference: "I was pretty positive that ball was going in my glove," Betts said. "But as I jumped and went over, reached my hand up, I felt like somebody was kind of pushing my glove out of the way or something." ...as he jumped “and went over.” He confirms that he went over the wall. No knowledgeable Astros fan should be upset with those fans who contested with Betts for the ball. They had every right to. He reached....”went over”.... the plane directly above the wall in an attempt to catch the ball at his own risk. Those fans did precisely what any good Astros fan should have done. Without reaching over the wall into the playing field side of the wall,they contested Betts’ attempt to catch the ball. They should be commended. The culprits are Joe West and the MLB review official who got the call wrong. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 18, 2018 11:43:16 GMT -6
Right. And if he couldn't see that somebody was "kind of pushing his glove out of the way" how was he going to see the ball to catch it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 11:45:00 GMT -6
This quote from Betts confirms that it was not fan interference: Those fans did precisely what any good Astros fan should have done. Without reaching over the wall into the playing field side of the wall,they contested Betts’ attempt to catch the ball. They should be commended. The culprits are Joe West and the MLB review official who got the call wrong. I agree. I initially was angry with the fan, but now that it has been established that the ball crossed that "line of demarcation" of the stands, the fan is fully exonerated. Joe West is a subterranean slug, F him. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 18, 2018 11:48:00 GMT -6
Spectator Interference rule from official MLB rule book:
“Rule 6.01(e) (e) Spectator Interference
When there is spectator interference with any thrown or batted ball, the ball shall be dead at the moment of interference and the umpire shall impose such penalties as in his opinion will nullify the act of interference.
APPROVED RULING: If spectator interference clearly pre- vents a fielder from catching a fly ball, the umpire shall declare the batter out.
Rule 6.01(e) Comment: There is a difference between a ball which has been thrown or batted into the stands, touching a spectator thereby being out of play even though it rebounds onto the field and a spectator going onto the field or reaching over, under or through a barrier and touching a ball in play or touching or otherwise interfering with a player. In the latter case it is clearly intentional and shall be dealt with as inten- tional interference as in Rule 6.01(d). Batter and runners shall be placed where in the umpire’s judgment they would have been had the interference not occurred.
>No interference shall be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence, railing, rope or into a stand to catch a ball. He does so at his own risk. However, should a spectator reach out on the playing field side of such fence, railing or rope, and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out for the spectator’s interference.<
EXAMPLE: Runner on third base, one out and a batter hits a fly ball deep to the outfield (fair or foul). Spectator clearly interferes with the outfielder attempting to catch the fly ball. Umpire calls the batter out for spectator interference. Ball is dead at the time of the call. Umpire decides that because of the distance the ball was hit, the runner on third base would have scored after the catch if the fielder had caught the ball which was interfered with, therefore, the runner is permitted to score. This might not be the case if such fly ball was interfered with a short distance from home plate”
Clearly...without a doubt...no fan reached out on the playing field side of the fence. Plenty enough camera angles to definitively determine that.
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Post by Saint on Oct 18, 2018 11:52:02 GMT -6
It's not even all Joe West's fault really. The umpires make judgement calls. There would have been no way to tell the depth over the wall of where the ball was from where he was standing.
The rule itself needs to be changed. If an OFer doesn't come down with the ball and the ball is higher than the yellow line, it should be a ground-rule double unless review can definitively say either way. You can't assume the OFer makes the play, but you also can't assume he might not at least keep it in play. A ground-rule double falls between an automatic out and a HR.
Why does the hitter get penalized for an assumption?
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Post by olpapa on Oct 18, 2018 11:58:17 GMT -6
I am proud of those fans who contested Betts attempt to catch the ball. They are true fans who tried...in a way that did not violate any MLB rule...to help their team. How many times have we on this board and the old board complained about our fans parting like the Red Sea to allow an opposing player to catch a ball that was hit over the fence/wall beyond the playing field side of the wall? Those fans got it right. We need more fans like those.
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