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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 23, 2018 14:13:04 GMT -6
If Belt had a little more power I'd be more into him. That's sounds dirty. Mmmmmm. If Belt had more power I'd be more into him mmmmmm. Touching belly button |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 23, 2018 14:35:35 GMT -6
If Belt had a little more power I'd be more into him. That's sounds dirty. Mmmmmm. If Belt had more power I'd be more into him mmmmmm. Touching belly button Put the lotion on the Body.....ewww. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 23, 2018 15:32:10 GMT -6
Wondering if anyone would be interested in Kyle Schwaber and Jose Quintana if it meant we move Josh Reddick and a couple prospcts to make it happen?
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 23, 2018 15:38:08 GMT -6
Wondering if anyone would be interested in Kyle Schwaber and Jose Quintana if it meant we move Josh Reddick and a couple prospcts to make it happen? I don't think there would be much interest in that deal. Astros fans are pretty sour on Quintana after the big hullabaloo there was about him a couple years ago, and Schwarber (as an OF) is not so needed now that the team has Brantley. Schwarber did catch a total of 25 games in 2015 and 2017, but I doubt he would be viewed as a replacement for Stassi. More like an emergency 3rd-string catcher (same role that Gattis had last year). |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 23, 2018 15:52:33 GMT -6
Wondering if anyone would be interested in Kyle Schwaber and Jose Quintana if it meant we move Josh Reddick and a couple prospcts to make it happen? I don't think there would be much interest in that deal. Astros fans are pretty sour on Quintana after the big hullabaloo there was about him a couple years ago, and Schwarber (as an OF) is not so needed now that the team has Brantley. Schwarber did catch a total of 25 games in 2015 and 2017, but I doubt he would be viewed as a replacement for Stassi. More like an emergency 3rd-string catcher (same role that Gattis had last year). Schwarber as a DH. And we would get a SP with control on a cheapish contract. Seems they wanna move money for Harper the Cubs I think the Astros could swoop in a get something for Penny's on the dollar |
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 23, 2018 16:00:47 GMT -6
I don't see that Schwarber would be an upgrade for the Astros in the DH position.
Quintana probably makes 30 starts and finishes with an ERA in the low 4's. It's not bad for a #5 SP, but that type of pitching is available internally.
With the holidays upon us, I doubt we see any moves announced before January 2.
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 23, 2018 16:12:29 GMT -6
Wondering if anyone would be interested in Kyle Schwaber and Jose Quintana if it meant we move Josh Reddick and a couple prospcts to make it happen? Yes. Would love to have them both. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 23, 2018 16:30:16 GMT -6
I see where the Blue Jays may send Stroman to San Diego. Wish he was in an Astros uniform Like papa posted in the link on Wagner, for a small guy Marcus can also throw a ball with some pop. I think Stroman would be a good possible buy low target for Luhnow to go after. Looking at his spin rate and high GO/AO ratio, he looks like he could benefit from Strom’s coaching and would be tailor made for MMP. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 23, 2018 16:31:10 GMT -6
I was never opposed to bringing Keuchel back. I just don’t think it’s worth $20,000,000+ per year to watch so-called bad luck hits and first inning deficits. Now, my opinion would change with Cruz or Realmuto added to the roster. Why does it matter what inning runs score in as long as it isn't the end of the game to blow a lead? I just don’t think he’s dominating enough to warrant that type of money. Generally, when the umpires don’t give him his corner calls, he doesn’t adjust well enough for those situations. He is a good pitcher, but his price is too high. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 23, 2018 16:32:29 GMT -6
Isn’t Kyle Schwarber just a lefthanded Evan Gattis?
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Post by marshall on Dec 23, 2018 16:46:59 GMT -6
We have a hard time improving with league average players. They aren't bad, but on this team, they don't improve us. Our 25th man is league average. And we have plenty of players with above League average potential who need the opportunity to show what they've got at the MLB level. We do have some role players, but their skills are important as well.
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Post by m240 on Dec 23, 2018 17:37:00 GMT -6
I asked myself the other day what would Grienke be worth if he were a free agent and looking for a deal. Would he be worth Jake Arrieta type money? My answer was yes and then another question popped into my mind. What would we pay for Keuchel and for how many years. MLB said he was worth 82 million on a 4 year deal. So, the next question is would I rather have Grienke for 3 years and 75 million and give up prospects or Keuchel for 4 years for 82 million and give up nothing except the money. The next question was obviously which prospects and then Tucker and JB Bukauskus came to mind.
Now the obvious answer to that is hell, I would never give up Tucker and Bukauskus for Grienke and still have to pay 75 million dollars in salary to him. And the next question is at what level I would do that deal. That is a question that I have not came to an answer yet, other than at some level I would do it.
Having Grienke or someone like him is critical to getting past the Red Sox and the Yankees. There are only 12-15 guys in baseball that would give us the upper hand in a series with those two teams. Grienke is one, Syndergaard is one, Kluber, Bauer, DeGrom, and a few others who are unavailable are all on that list but the only two that seem to be within reach are Grienke and perhaps Kluber. So how much would the Diamondbacks have to send our way to get Tucker and Bukauskus.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 23, 2018 17:44:17 GMT -6
I asked myself the other day what would Grienke be worth if he were a free agent and looking for a deal. Would he be worth Jake Arrieta type money? My answer was yes and then another question popped into my mind. What would we pay for Keuchel and for how many years. MLB said he was worth 82 million on a 4 year deal. So, the next question is would I rather have Grienke for 3 years and 75 million and give up prospects or Keuchel for 4 years for 82 million and give up nothing except the money. The next question was obviously which prospects and then Tucker and JB Bukauskus came to mind. Now the obvious answer to that is hell, I would never give up Tucker and Bukauskus for Grienke and still have to pay 75 million dollars in salary to him. And the next question is at what level I would do that deal. That is a question that I have not came to an answer yet, other than at some level I would do it. Having Grienke or someone like him is critical to getting past the Red Sox and the Yankees. There are only 12-15 guys in baseball that would give us the upper hand in a series with those two teams. Grienke is one, Syndergaard is one, Kluber, Bauer, DeGrom, and a few others who are unavailable are all on that list but the only two that seem to be within reach are Grienke and perhaps Kluber. So how much would the Diamondbacks have to send our way to get Tucker and Bukauskus. The difference is Grienke is way better then Keuchal. I wouldnt offee Dallas more then 10m per. Keuchal needs a pitcher friendly park period. I would look into a deal for Grienke but my thing is I want Reddick apart of the deal and maybe a third of his money eaten by them. I would pay the extra prospects for that deal. That deal suites us better as a hole. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 23, 2018 18:49:42 GMT -6
Who are you calling a hole?
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Post by m240 on Dec 23, 2018 18:55:08 GMT -6
I asked myself the other day what would Grienke be worth if he were a free agent and looking for a deal. Would he be worth Jake Arrieta type money? My answer was yes and then another question popped into my mind. What would we pay for Keuchel and for how many years. MLB said he was worth 82 million on a 4 year deal. So, the next question is would I rather have Grienke for 3 years and 75 million and give up prospects or Keuchel for 4 years for 82 million and give up nothing except the money. The next question was obviously which prospects and then Tucker and JB Bukauskus came to mind. Now the obvious answer to that is hell, I would never give up Tucker and Bukauskus for Grienke and still have to pay 75 million dollars in salary to him. And the next question is at what level I would do that deal. That is a question that I have not came to an answer yet, other than at some level I would do it. Having Grienke or someone like him is critical to getting past the Red Sox and the Yankees. There are only 12-15 guys in baseball that would give us the upper hand in a series with those two teams. Grienke is one, Syndergaard is one, Kluber, Bauer, DeGrom, and a few others who are unavailable are all on that list but the only two that seem to be within reach are Grienke and perhaps Kluber. So how much would the Diamondbacks have to send our way to get Tucker and Bukauskus. The difference is Grienke is way better then Keuchal. I wouldnt offee Dallas more then 10m per. Keuchal needs a pitcher friendly park period. I would look into a deal for Grienke but my thing is I want Reddick apart of the deal and maybe a third of his money eaten by them. I would pay the extra prospects for that deal. That deal suites us better as a hole. So for the sake of clarity what I understand you to say is that if the Diamondbacks offered to take Reddick, Tucker, and Bukauskus and give us Grienke and 35 million you would do the deal. Now again for clarity, Reddick has value and if he were included in the deal that would leave us short handed. So if we value Reddick at half of his salary and say we will give you Tucker and Bukauskus for Grienke and 48 million. Is that a deal you would do. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 23, 2018 19:31:50 GMT -6
The difference is Grienke is way better then Keuchal. I wouldnt offee Dallas more then 10m per. Keuchal needs a pitcher friendly park period. I would look into a deal for Grienke but my thing is I want Reddick apart of the deal and maybe a third of his money eaten by them. I would pay the extra prospects for that deal. That deal suites us better as a hole. So for the sake of clarity what I understand you to say is that if the Diamondbacks offered to take Reddick, Tucker, and Bukauskus and give us Grienke and 35 million you would do the deal. Now again for clarity, Reddick has value and if he were included in the deal that would leave us short handed. So if we value Reddick at half of his salary and say we will give you Tucker and Bukauskus for Grienke and 48 million. Is that a deal you would do. Negative would negate the trade of Reddick Grienke and 35m paid on the last two of his years For Reddick, J.B, and two others |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 23, 2018 19:51:22 GMT -6
I am not interested in any deal involving Tucker.
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 23, 2018 20:13:03 GMT -6
Keep Tucker. Keep Tucker. Keep Tucker
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Post by Saint on Dec 23, 2018 20:39:16 GMT -6
Tucker is expendable for the right pitching trade.
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 23, 2018 21:32:23 GMT -6
Tucker is expendable for the right pitching trade. For very few...... |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 23, 2018 21:57:01 GMT -6
Tucker is expendable for the right pitching trade. For very few...... Only one that I can think of would be Syndergaard...., or DeGrom if he was available. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 23, 2018 22:11:32 GMT -6
Market Value is the price you would pay if a player were a FA and had no other costs involved such as draft picks because of a qualifying offer.
You can return that value by sending cash and undervalued players, and reduce cost by taking cash (or reduced future salary obligations) and sending over valued players.
The bad GMs pay market value in both salary and undervalued players (thus double paying). Mediocre GMs just misjudge value frequently and good GMs misjudge value infrequently. They all make mistakes.
The most common mistake is paying based on the false assumption that they can work out a future extension below market merely because they add them while under limited control. That should not be included in valuation estimates unless they feel a qualifying offer will be below market value in which case you can offset the value by the anticipated draft pick value.
Fans usually think only of the player's immediate ability and rarely consider TOTAL cost.
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Post by marshall on Dec 23, 2018 22:22:09 GMT -6
Tucker is expendable for the right pitching trade. Everyone is expendable at some price. But what is that price? Even TROUT would be expendable at some price.
Whitley and Tucker are valued highly by the Astros. That means the Astros believe they have a lower discount than typical for prospects and would want value close to their very high upside potential. So maybe a #3 for a year and #1 for 5 years for Whitley and 20-30m/yr for 6 years for Tucker. That's why they are called untouchable, but even that gives them a price.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 23, 2018 22:49:31 GMT -6
What I'm saying is if we trade for Grienke I do t want any money this year.
I want the money in years 2 and 3.
I want that 15m in both.
I would be happy to trade them Reddick and J.B. plus two more prospects not in the top 10.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 23, 2018 23:09:01 GMT -6
Only one that I can think of would be Syndergaard...., or DeGrom if he was available. I think if Luhnow had any intentions of trading Tucker, he would have done it by now. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 23, 2018 23:50:22 GMT -6
Like papa posted in the link on Wagner, for a small guy Marcus can also throw a ball with some pop. I think Stroman would be a good possible buy low target for Luhnow to go after. Looking at his spin rate and high GO/AO ratio, he looks like he could benefit from Strom’s coaching and would be tailor made for MMP. I always liked Stroman's mentality of a winner, he goes right after hitters and will challenge. Again, staying healthy is a key for him. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 24, 2018 0:02:41 GMT -6
Only one that I can think of would be Syndergaard...., or DeGrom if he was available. Before the new GM in NY, I think the Mets were willing to trade one or the other of them. But as the Mets motto "wait till next year". |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 24, 2018 6:25:46 GMT -6
That's the good thing about Football it's never over Congrats on winning.... Your team put epic scoring totals in the championship... |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2018 7:16:20 GMT -6
Only one that I can think of would be Syndergaard...., or DeGrom if he was available. You wouldn't take him for 3 years of Kluber? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 24, 2018 8:04:17 GMT -6
That's the good thing about Football it's never over Congrats on winning.... Your team put epic scoring totals in the championship... Ty U fought hard It's good to be champ again |
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