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Post by olpapa on Dec 24, 2018 8:13:48 GMT -6
Only one that I can think of would be Syndergaard...., or DeGrom if he was available. You wouldn't take him for 3 years of Kluber? I don’t know man. Kluber’s meltdowns in the playoffs the last couple years concern me. He didn’t exactly dominate Boston when he faced them last year. He will play the next 3 seasons at ages 33-35 so I’m thinking he is going to be on the downhill side of his prime. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 8:37:39 GMT -6
You wouldn't take him for 3 years of Kluber? I don’t know man. Kluber’s meltdowns in the playoffs the last couple years concern me. He didn’t exactly dominate Boston when he faced them last year. He will play the next 3 seasons at ages 33-35 so I’m thinking he is going to be on the downhill side of his prime. I would definitely trade for Kluber because he would improve our rotation, but I would not trade Tucker or Whitley for him. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2018 9:17:30 GMT -6
You wouldn't take him for 3 years of Kluber? I don’t know man. Kluber’s meltdowns in the playoffs the last couple years concern me. He didn’t exactly dominate Boston when he faced them last year. He will play the next 3 seasons at ages 33-35 so I’m thinking he is going to be on the downhill side of his prime. Yeah but he's shown no signs of decline at all. He may not be a top-3 pitcher by the third year but I think he would still be all-star caliber unless there is a significant injury. Plus, his postseason woes are exaggerated, imo. He has not looked good in divisional rounds, but he has been fantastic in championship series and World Series games. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 24, 2018 9:39:53 GMT -6
I’m actually with Todd about Kluber even though we disagree a little on his take regarding the guy’s postseason history. Kluber gives you something in the event of the departures of Verlander and/or Cole. They’re at the point where this badly needs to be addressed.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 24, 2018 9:50:47 GMT -6
I don’t know man. Kluber’s meltdowns in the playoffs the last couple years concern me. He didn’t exactly dominate Boston when he faced them last year. He will play the next 3 seasons at ages 33-35 so I’m thinking he is going to be on the downhill side of his prime. Yeah but he's shown no signs of decline at all. He may not be a top-3 pitcher by the third year but I think he would still be all-star caliber unless there is a significant injury. Plus, his postseason woes are exaggerated, imo. He has not looked good in divisional rounds, but he has been fantastic in championship series and World Series games. Kluber’s postseason tendencies may be overblown, but it all is at least of some concern. He hasn’t just been bad in the ALDS. When you’re the ace of a team threatening to blow a commanding 3-1 World Series lead, it’s nut-cutting time. You don’t go out in Game 7 and give up a leadoff homer to Fowler, a solo shot to Báez, and two other runs in between in only four innings pitched. That’s unacceptable for a legitimate ace. You’re in that role to keep teams at bay for those specific moments, and you only pitch once every couple of days. That’s partly why I’m a bit harsh on Keuchel and way more so for “World Champion” Giles. If you’re an ace, those are the types of games which determine the zeroes in your paychecks. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2018 10:50:51 GMT -6
kluber and Kershaw both have a history of bad performances in the post season. Kluber would be a good #4 in our rotation if he comes on a reasonable trade.........No Tucker or Whitley
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 24, 2018 11:40:37 GMT -6
kluber and Kershaw both have a history of bad performances in the post season. Kluber would be a good #4 in our rotation if he comes on a reasonable trade.........No Tucker or Whitley Kluber is easily a co-ace in our rotation. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 24, 2018 11:59:17 GMT -6
kluber and Kershaw both have a history of bad performances in the post season. Kluber would be a good #4 in our rotation if he comes on a reasonable trade.........No Tucker or Whitley Kluber is easily a co-ace in our rotation. It would take Tucker and company to get Kluber...I would be for it if the Astros could somehow extend Verlander and Cole beforehand....then the Astros would be serious WS contenders for next 3 years |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2018 12:02:03 GMT -6
Kluber is easily a co-ace in our rotation. It would take Tucker and company to get Kluber...I would be for it if the Astros could somehow extend Verlander and Cole beforehand....then the Astros would be serious WS contenders for next 3 years I could go for that, but, we won't extend those two right away. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 24, 2018 12:29:18 GMT -6
It would take Tucker and company to get Kluber...I would be for it if the Astros could somehow extend Verlander and Cole beforehand....then the Astros would be serious WS contenders for next 3 years I could go for that, but, we won't extend those two right away. I don't want to lose Tucker, but if somehow there was some assurance the Astros were going to extend both Verlander and Cole, then I would be for trading Tucker for Kluber... But it is just a snowball chance... |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 24, 2018 13:10:36 GMT -6
I don’t know man. Kluber’s meltdowns in the playoffs the last couple years concern me. He didn’t exactly dominate Boston when he faced them last year. He will play the next 3 seasons at ages 33-35 so I’m thinking he is going to be on the downhill side of his prime. I would definitely trade for Kluber because he would improve our rotation, but I would not trade Tucker or Whitley for him. That’s what I’m thinking too. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 24, 2018 13:37:39 GMT -6
We all like Kluber but the Indians arent helping us. And we cant aford that prospct haul.
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 24, 2018 14:17:49 GMT -6
According to mlb.com article the four teams interested in Dallas, Brewers, Rangers, Phillies and Angels. Reading into the article the Brewers and Phillies signing would be contingent on their budget, unless a mystery team shows up, does he want the money and pitch for a rebuild team. www.mlb.com/news/dallas-keuchel-rumors/c-297610496?tid=282421090 |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 24, 2018 14:57:08 GMT -6
According to mlb.com article the four teams interested in Dallas, Brewers, Rangers, Phillies and Angels. Reading into the article the Brewers and Phillies signing would be contingent on their budget, unless a mystery team shows up, does he want the money and pitch for a rebuild team. www.mlb.com/news/dallas-keuchel-rumors/c-297610496?tid=282421090I would think out of those 4, I think Brewers and Phillies would be the favorite to sign him. I am surprised Atlanta is not in the market for Keuchel.. If there were going to be a mystery team I would say the Padres.... |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 24, 2018 15:06:34 GMT -6
Just read article at mlb.com about the pitchers who had the nastiest 4-seamer, 2-seamer, curve; slider, changeup in 2018. Verlander’s curve rated #1. Dylan Bundy’s slider rated #1. Of course his other pitches were bad. I wonder if Strom could fix him.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2018 15:27:55 GMT -6
Speaking of Keuchel, while watching some Astros Replays today on ATSW, I was reminded as to why I can't wait to see him in a different uniform.
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Post by olpapa on Dec 24, 2018 16:03:20 GMT -6
I wonder if Luhnow and Hinch might consider employing the “opener” strategy to cover one or two slots in the rotation.
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Post by talshill on Dec 24, 2018 16:10:04 GMT -6
I wonder if Luhnow and Hinch might consider employing the “opener” strategy to cover one or two slots in the rotation. Doubtful. I think Luhnow will wind up with another SP before ST starts. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 24, 2018 16:19:52 GMT -6
According to mlb.com article the four teams interested in Dallas, Brewers, Rangers, Phillies and Angels. Reading into the article the Brewers and Phillies signing would be contingent on their budget, unless a mystery team shows up, does he want the money and pitch for a rebuild team. www.mlb.com/news/dallas-keuchel-rumors/c-297610496?tid=282421090I would think out of those 4, I think Brewers and Phillies would be the favorite to sign him. I am surprised Atlanta is not in the market for Keuchel.. If there were going to be a mystery team I would say the Padres.... Yeah, the Reds have also been mentioned. You wonder if that organization is getting serious after the LA trade. Remember when the Padres went ballistic a couple of seasons ago and try to go in all out mode to win and it was a bust. Dallas who suffered through the rebuilding process like most of the fans on this forum, you wonder if he will go for the money or go into all team win mode. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 24, 2018 16:24:58 GMT -6
I wonder if Luhnow and Hinch might consider employing the “opener” strategy to cover one or two slots in the rotation. Doubtful. I think Luhnow will wind up with another SP before ST starts. I guess the closest to an opener have been with Peacock/Morton/Lance in the playoffs. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 24, 2018 16:27:58 GMT -6
I wonder if Luhnow and Hinch might consider employing the “opener” strategy to cover one or two slots in the rotation. The have the hurlers that could make it a possibility, with James and Valdez doing both roles last season. For that matter Colin could also be added to the equation. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2018 16:39:18 GMT -6
I wonder if Luhnow and Hinch might consider employing the “opener” strategy to cover one or two slots in the rotation. I hope not. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 24, 2018 18:40:37 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Dec 24, 2018 18:58:28 GMT -6
I wonder if Luhnow and Hinch might consider employing the “opener” strategy to cover one or two slots in the rotation. The have the hurlers that could make it a possibility, with James and Valdez doing both roles last season. For that matter Colin could also be added to the equation. I was thinking that maybe they might use the opener or tandem starters approach with Whitley when he comes up since he is going to be limited in the number of innings he can pitch this season. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2018 19:04:17 GMT -6
Yeah but he's shown no signs of decline at all. He may not be a top-3 pitcher by the third year but I think he would still be all-star caliber unless there is a significant injury. Plus, his postseason woes are exaggerated, imo. He has not looked good in divisional rounds, but he has been fantastic in championship series and World Series games. Kluber’s postseason tendencies may be overblown, but it all is at least of some concern. He hasn’t just been bad in the ALDS. When you’re the ace of a team threatening to blow a commanding 3-1 World Series lead, it’s nut-cutting time. You don’t go out in Game 7 and give up a leadoff homer to Fowler, a solo shot to Báez, and two other runs in between in only four innings pitched. That’s unacceptable for a legitimate ace. You’re in that role to keep teams at bay for those specific moments, and you only pitch once every couple of days. That’s partly why I’m a bit harsh on Keuchel and way more so for “World Champion” Giles. If you’re an ace, those are the types of games which determine the zeroes in your paychecks. I'm not going to lose sleep over a small sample size. He's shown excellence and failure. It's never a given. Bottom line though, we need to get to the postseason to worry about that. And I'm not sure we have the pitching to do that past 2019 without adding a guy like Kluber. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2018 19:05:05 GMT -6
kluber and Kershaw both have a history of bad performances in the post season. Kluber would be a good #4 in our rotation if he comes on a reasonable trade.........No Tucker or Whitley So you're saying Kluber isn't better than Cole or McHugh...? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2018 19:34:56 GMT -6
kluber and Kershaw both have a history of bad performances in the post season. Kluber would be a good #4 in our rotation if he comes on a reasonable trade.........No Tucker or Whitley So you're saying Kluber isn't better than Cole or McHugh...? He is not better than Cole, and, it depends on which Kluber shows up if he is better than McHugh when McHugh is on his game. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 24, 2018 20:10:22 GMT -6
Almost Santa time!!!
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2018 23:01:06 GMT -6
So you're saying Kluber isn't better than Cole or McHugh...? He is not better than Cole, and, it depends on which Kluber shows up if he is better than McHugh when McHugh is on his game. Wow. Okay, agree to disagree. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2018 23:50:15 GMT -6
He is not better than Cole, and, it depends on which Kluber shows up if he is better than McHugh when McHugh is on his game. Wow. Okay, agree to disagree. not the first time we have disagreed. Lots of pitchers are great during the regular season and do nothing in the post season. So far, Kluber fits into that category. |
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