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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 14:13:52 GMT -6
What it boils down to is, would you pay him more than $300,000,000? And if you did, who among Bregman, Springer, Correa, Verlander, and Cole do you forfeit in the near future because you can't afford them anymore? Some discount the clubhouse aspect, but realize how many championships have been lost by what probably was the most talented NL team the last 5 years. No accident if you ask me. I say run from this MOFO at break neck speed. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 11, 2018 15:06:04 GMT -6
What it boils down to is, would you pay him more than $300,000,000? And if you did, who among Bregman, Springer, Correa, Verlander, and Cole do you forfeit in the near future because you can't afford them anymore? No, I wouldn’t. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 11, 2018 15:14:44 GMT -6
What it boils down to is, would you pay him more than $300,000,000? And if you did, who among Bregman, Springer, Correa, Verlander, and Cole do you forfeit in the near future because you can't afford them anymore? We would be better off signing any of those guys......with the exception of Correa unless he shows he can stay healthy......than giving that money to Harper. If Harper really wants to play on a winner and demands that much money, he better look somewhere besides Houston because I don't think he will get it from Jim Crane. I had rather send big money on Bregman and Springer. If Correa stays healthy, then, include him when his contract comes up. The first of those three we need to sign in Springer because his contract comes up first. We also need to extend Cole and Verlander. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 11, 2018 17:49:55 GMT -6
What it boils down to is, would you pay him more than $300,000,000? And if you did, who among Bregman, Springer, Correa, Verlander, and Cole do you forfeit in the near future because you can't afford them anymore? Well, if we're just talking offensively, the only player we have out of that group with the potential to be as productive as him is Bregman. If Correa bounces back, he is looking at a similar contract as Harper. Who do you prefer to have out or Correa and Harper? One has more overall value but has more health concerns. One is a perennial 30 HR .380+ OBP hitter but has questionable maturity. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 11, 2018 18:44:08 GMT -6
I would say C none of the above. 30 million a year is a real hard nut for a team to crack and we already have one of those so no way would we have two.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 11, 2018 19:33:09 GMT -6
I would say C none of the above. 30 million a year is a real hard nut for a team to crack and we already have one of those so no way would we have two. Exactly. And it wouldn't be a sign one/lose one proposition if we signed him. Giving him $300+ would almost certainly lose us Correa, Springer, and the two pitchers I mentioned. With Altuve making $30, then Harper making $30-35, Correa soon to make $25-30, Springer soon to make $20-25. Verlander will probably get $25-28. We can't afford it, so we'd lose several of them. No one player is worth that. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 11, 2018 19:55:32 GMT -6
I would say C none of the above. 30 million a year is a real hard nut for a team to crack and we already have one of those so no way would we have two. Exactly. And it wouldn't be a sign one/lose one proposition if we signed him. Giving him $300+ would almost certainly lose us Correa, Springer, and the two pitchers I mentioned. With Altuve making $30, then Harper making $30-35, Correa soon to make $25-30, Springer soon to make $20-25. Verlander will probably get $25-28. We can't afford it, so we'd lose several of them. No one player is worth that. There's probably no way you keep Springer, Bregman, the pitchers, and Correa already. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 11, 2018 20:32:33 GMT -6
Exactly. And it wouldn't be a sign one/lose one proposition if we signed him. Giving him $300+ would almost certainly lose us Correa, Springer, and the two pitchers I mentioned. With Altuve making $30, then Harper making $30-35, Correa soon to make $25-30, Springer soon to make $20-25. Verlander will probably get $25-28. We can't afford it, so we'd lose several of them. No one player is worth that. There's probably no way you keep Springer, Bregman, the pitchers, and Correa already. Here is how I value them. Bregman. Springer. Pitchers. Correa. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 11, 2018 20:34:59 GMT -6
Happy Veterans Day to all of you that have served our country. Happy veterans day to all of the family members also. We all owe you a Huge Thank You.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 11, 2018 21:39:55 GMT -6
Hate it if you will but...
This would be the offseason that I could see happening. A stretch in some but could happen.
3 trades:
A. Josh Reddick, Joe Smith, Tyler White prospects J.B. Bukauskas, Cional Perez, Dean Deetz and a Lotto ticket Prospect
To the Diamondbacks for
Zach Grienke and Paul Goldschmidt
Diamondbacks pay 10m on each of the remaining years of Grienkes contract 30m total.
B. Tony Kemp, Yordan Alveraz, Framber Valdez, Freudis Nova and Jeremy Pena
For who ever excerpts it for James Paxton, Carlos Carrasco, Noah Syndergaard or Cory Kluber
C. Look into Avasail Garcia or Tommy Pham. Offer up Chris Devenski, Brad Peacock and Francis Martes. Make the difference on there end for the little over pay
FreeAgent signings 6:
C Yasmani Grandal 3yrs 45m
LF Micheal Brantlry 3yrs 45m
RP Zach Britton 3yrs 30m
DH Nelson Cruz 2yrs 30m
LOTTO TICKET Garret Richard 3yr 15m
RP Justin Wilson 3yr 21m
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C Yasmani Grandal
1B Paul Goldshmidt
2B Jose Altuve
SS Carlos Correa
3B Alex Bregman
DH Nelson Cruz
LF Micheal Brantley
CF George Springer
RF Trade C
BENCH
U Yuli Gurriel
OF Jake Marsanik
OF Kyle Tucker
C. Max Stassi
Bench player from the minors infielder
SP
Justin Verlander
Gerrit Cole
Zach Grienke
Trade B
Josh James
Bullpen
Zach Britton
Josh Wilson
Colon McHugh
Hector Rondon
Roberto Osuna
Ryan Pressley
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 11, 2018 23:08:13 GMT -6
Exactly. And it wouldn't be a sign one/lose one proposition if we signed him. Giving him $300+ would almost certainly lose us Correa, Springer, and the two pitchers I mentioned. With Altuve making $30, then Harper making $30-35, Correa soon to make $25-30, Springer soon to make $20-25. Verlander will probably get $25-28. We can't afford it, so we'd lose several of them. No one player is worth that. There's probably no way you keep Springer, Bregman, the pitchers, and Correa already. Why? Please explain exactly how you know we will lose any of them. The fact is that nobody knows if any or all stay with the Astros. Whatever the case, we don't need an arrogant jackass like Bryce Harper. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 11, 2018 23:10:10 GMT -6
Hate it if you will but... This would be the offseason that I could see happening. A stretch in some but could happen. 3 trades: A. Josh Reddick, Joe Smith, Tyler White prospects J.B. Bukauskas, Cional Perez, Dean Deetz and a Lotto ticket Prospect To the Diamondbacks for Zach Grienke and Paul Goldschmidt Diamondbacks pay 10m on each of the remaining years of Grienkes contract 30m total. B. Tony Kemp, Yordan Alveraz, Framber Valdez, Freudis Nova and Jeremy Pena For who ever excerpts it for James Paxton, Carlos Carrasco, Noah Syndergaard or Cory Kluber C. Look into Avasail Garcia or Tommy Pham. Offer up Chris Devenski, Brad Peacock and Francis Martes. Make the difference on there end for the little over pay FreeAgent signings 6: C Yasmani Grandal 3yrs 45m LF Micheal Brantlry 3yrs 45m RP Zach Britton 3yrs 30m DH Nelson Cruz 2yrs 30m LOTTO TICKET Garret Richard 3yr 15m RP Justin Wilson 3yr 21m --------------------------------------------------------------------- C Yasmani Grandal 1B Paul Goldshmidt 2B Jose Altuve SS Carlos Correa 3B Alex Bregman DH Nelson Cruz LF Micheal Brantley CF George Springer RF Trade C BENCH U Yuli Gurriel OF Jake Marsanik OF Kyle Tucker C. Max Stassi Bench player from the minors infielder SP Justin Verlander Gerrit Cole Zach Grienke Trade B Josh James Bullpen Zach Britton Josh Wilson Colon McHugh Hector Rondon Roberto Osuna Ryan Pressley You need to stop using whatever drug you are on. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 11, 2018 23:32:01 GMT -6
Hate it if you will but... This would be the offseason that I could see happening. A stretch in some but could happen. 3 trades: A. Josh Reddick, Joe Smith, Tyler White prospects J.B. Bukauskas, Cional Perez, Dean Deetz and a Lotto ticket Prospect To the Diamondbacks for Zach Grienke and Paul Goldschmidt Diamondbacks pay 10m on each of the remaining years of Grienkes contract 30m total. B. Tony Kemp, Yordan Alveraz, Framber Valdez, Freudis Nova and Jeremy Pena For who ever excerpts it for James Paxton, Carlos Carrasco, Noah Syndergaard or Cory Kluber C. Look into Avasail Garcia or Tommy Pham. Offer up Chris Devenski, Brad Peacock and Francis Martes. Make the difference on there end for the little over pay FreeAgent signings 6: C Yasmani Grandal 3yrs 45m LF Micheal Brantlry 3yrs 45m RP Zach Britton 3yrs 30m DH Nelson Cruz 2yrs 30m LOTTO TICKET Garret Richard 3yr 15m RP Justin Wilson 3yr 21m --------------------------------------------------------------------- C Yasmani Grandal 1B Paul Goldshmidt 2B Jose Altuve SS Carlos Correa 3B Alex Bregman DH Nelson Cruz LF Micheal Brantley CF George Springer RF Trade C BENCH U Yuli Gurriel OF Jake Marsanik OF Kyle Tucker C. Max Stassi Bench player from the minors infielder SP Justin Verlander Gerrit Cole Zach Grienke Trade B Josh James Bullpen Zach Britton Josh Wilson Colon McHugh Hector Rondon Roberto Osuna Ryan Pressley You need to stop using whatever drug you are on. He makes Eddie look stable. |
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Post by marshall on Nov 12, 2018 3:03:14 GMT -6
Can Harper hit the ball? Can he throw the ball? Can he catch the ball? If yes, sign him if the price is right. Great for fantasy baseball. Not so good for maximizing performance of team mates. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 12, 2018 7:36:48 GMT -6
Hate it if you will but... This would be the offseason that I could see happening. A stretch in some but could happen. 3 trades: A. Josh Reddick, Joe Smith, Tyler White prospects J.B. Bukauskas, Cional Perez, Dean Deetz and a Lotto ticket Prospect To the Diamondbacks for Zach Grienke and Paul Goldschmidt Diamondbacks pay 10m on each of the remaining years of Grienkes contract 30m total. B. Tony Kemp, Yordan Alveraz, Framber Valdez, Freudis Nova and Jeremy Pena For who ever excerpts it for James Paxton, Carlos Carrasco, Noah Syndergaard or Cory Kluber C. Look into Avasail Garcia or Tommy Pham. Offer up Chris Devenski, Brad Peacock and Francis Martes. Make the difference on there end for the little over pay FreeAgent signings 6: C Yasmani Grandal 3yrs 45m LF Micheal Brantlry 3yrs 45m RP Zach Britton 3yrs 30m DH Nelson Cruz 2yrs 30m LOTTO TICKET Garret Richard 3yr 15m RP Justin Wilson 3yr 21m --------------------------------------------------------------------- C Yasmani Grandal 1B Paul Goldshmidt 2B Jose Altuve SS Carlos Correa 3B Alex Bregman DH Nelson Cruz LF Micheal Brantley CF George Springer RF Trade C BENCH U Yuli Gurriel OF Jake Marsanik OF Kyle Tucker C. Max Stassi Bench player from the minors infielder SP Justin Verlander Gerrit Cole Zach Grienke Trade B Josh James Bullpen Zach Britton Josh Wilson Colon McHugh Hector Rondon Roberto Osuna Ryan Pressley So if the Astros did all of these trades and free agents signings our payroll with luxury taxes would be 300mm+. No way even one of these deals gets done. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 12, 2018 8:28:30 GMT -6
Hate it if you will but... This would be the offseason that I could see happening. A stretch in some but could happen. 3 trades: A. Josh Reddick, Joe Smith, Tyler White prospects J.B. Bukauskas, Cional Perez, Dean Deetz and a Lotto ticket Prospect To the Diamondbacks for Zach Grienke and Paul Goldschmidt Diamondbacks pay 10m on each of the remaining years of Grienkes contract 30m total. B. Tony Kemp, Yordan Alveraz, Framber Valdez, Freudis Nova and Jeremy Pena For who ever excerpts it for James Paxton, Carlos Carrasco, Noah Syndergaard or Cory Kluber C. Look into Avasail Garcia or Tommy Pham. Offer up Chris Devenski, Brad Peacock and Francis Martes. Make the difference on there end for the little over pay FreeAgent signings 6: C Yasmani Grandal 3yrs 45m LF Micheal Brantlry 3yrs 45m RP Zach Britton 3yrs 30m DH Nelson Cruz 2yrs 30m LOTTO TICKET Garret Richard 3yr 15m RP Justin Wilson 3yr 21m --------------------------------------------------------------------- C Yasmani Grandal 1B Paul Goldshmidt 2B Jose Altuve SS Carlos Correa 3B Alex Bregman DH Nelson Cruz LF Micheal Brantley CF George Springer RF Trade C BENCH U Yuli Gurriel OF Jake Marsanik OF Kyle Tucker C. Max Stassi Bench player from the minors infielder SP Justin Verlander Gerrit Cole Zach Grienke Trade B Josh James Bullpen Zach Britton Josh Wilson Colon McHugh Hector Rondon Roberto Osuna Ryan Pressley So if the Astros did all of these trades and free agents signings our payroll with luxury taxes would be 300mm+. No way even one of these deals gets done. His Xbox begs to differ....all traded were accepted |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 12, 2018 8:38:38 GMT -6
There's probably no way you keep Springer, Bregman, the pitchers, and Correa already. Here is how I value them. Bregman. Springer. Pitchers. Correa. I agree with the order in which you value these players. Led by Bregman, Springer and the pitchers, the Astros made it to the ALCS this season pretty much without Correa; without a legitimate DH and with Altuve playing on one leg much of the season. I also agree with Saint’s assessment that we probably can’t keep all of Springer, Bregman, the pitchers and Correa. If we can’t keep them all, the loss of Correa would seem to be the least damaging to the team. Bregman could slide over to SS. Also, by the time Correa becomes a FA Nova may be ready to step in at the ML level. All of that said.., I still oppose signing Harper. He just doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would fit into the Astros clubhouse/dugout long term. Picking him up at the 2018 non-waiver trade deadline to help the team overcome the loss of Correa’s bat down the stretch is one thing. Signing him to a 10+ year contract at $30 million AAV is another. I would pass on that. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 12, 2018 9:30:23 GMT -6
There's probably no way you keep Springer, Bregman, the pitchers, and Correa already. Here is how I value them. Bregman. Springer. Pitchers. Correa. I'd put Cole over Springer but Springer over Verlander (One of these days Verlander's age WILL catch up with him). |
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Post by Saint on Nov 12, 2018 9:34:14 GMT -6
There's probably no way you keep Springer, Bregman, the pitchers, and Correa already. Why? Please explain exactly how you know we will lose any of them. The fact is that nobody knows if any or all stay with the Astros. Whatever the case, we don't need an arrogant jackass like Bryce Harper. A. I said "probably". B. But that's just a lot of money with those 5 players when we'll already be paying Altuve a deserved $30 million a year. Each of those guys will be making around $20-25 million a year. You think the Astros will tie up $130 million a year (minimum) for 6 players? Come on... C. I think Harper's reputation gets overblown. The Nats fans love him and the FO wants to keep him. He's not Machado. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 12, 2018 9:35:52 GMT -6
Here is how I value them. Bregman. Springer. Pitchers. Correa. I agree with the order in which you value these players. Led by Bregman, Springer and the pitchers, the Astros made it to the ALCS this season pretty much without Correa; without a legitimate DH and with Altuve playing on one leg much of the season. I also agree with Saint’s assessment that we probably can’t keep all of Springer, Bregman, the pitchers and Correa. If we can’t keep them all, the loss of Correa would seem to be the least damaging to the team. Bregman could slide over to SS. Also, by the time Correa becomes a FA Nova may be ready to step in at the ML level. All of that said.., I still oppose signing Harper. He just doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would fit into the Astros clubhouse/dugout long term. Picking him up at the 2018 non-waiver trade deadline to help the team overcome the loss of Correa’s bat down the stretch is one thing. Signing him to a 10+ year contract at $30 million AAV is another. I would pass on that. Those are basically my thoughts on the matter. I'm just thinking that Harper would improve the team even if he isn't exactly what we need. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 12, 2018 10:24:38 GMT -6
The problem I have with Correa is his presence in the lineup is starting to be more valuable than his actual production.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 12, 2018 10:25:13 GMT -6
Also, someone needs to attend to Mr. Garza. I think he’s having a ministroke.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 12, 2018 11:02:32 GMT -6
Also, someone needs to attend to Mr. Garza. I think he’s having a ministroke. it be dem drugs, main. |
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Post by sempersmom on Nov 12, 2018 11:57:02 GMT -6
Also, someone needs to attend to Mr. Garza. I think he’s having a ministroke. it be dem drugs, main. LOL |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 12, 2018 12:12:27 GMT -6
Here is how I value them. Bregman. Springer. Pitchers. Correa. I agree with the order in which you value these players. Led by Bregman, Springer and the pitchers, the Astros made it to the ALCS this season pretty much without Correa; without a legitimate DH and with Altuve playing on one leg much of the season. I also agree with Saint’s assessment that we probably can’t keep all of Springer, Bregman, the pitchers and Correa. If we can’t keep them all, the loss of Correa would seem to be the least damaging to the team. Bregman could slide over to SS. Also, by the time Correa becomes a FA Nova may be ready to step in at the ML level. All of that said.., I still oppose signing Harper. He just doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would fit into the Astros clubhouse/dugout long term. Picking him up at the 2018 non-waiver trade deadline to help the team overcome the loss of Correa’s bat down the stretch is one thing. Signing him to a 10+ year contract at $30 million AAV is another. I would pass on that. if confronted with losing Bregman, Springer, pitchers, or Correa, that's a no-brainer...........Correa has to go. Frankly, I expect that he wants to be a Yankee and will jump at the chance to sign with them. We need to be working to extend the others. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 12, 2018 12:13:23 GMT -6
Also, someone needs to attend to Mr. Garza. I think he’s having a ministroke. He is definitely in his own little world. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 12, 2018 12:59:54 GMT -6
Also, someone needs to attend to Mr. Garza. I think he’s having a ministroke. Lmao |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 12, 2018 13:26:17 GMT -6
I have a feeling that a lot of you guys will be changing your tune on Correa when he comes back healthy next spring. I find it very odd how quickly some fans can turn on a cheap superstar player who suffers an injury.
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Post by Saint on Nov 12, 2018 13:43:09 GMT -6
Yes, there is no reason to believe that Correa won't bounce right back to his 2015-2017 self. Even with a down year last season, if he had just stayed healthy he was looking at another 20+ HR 90+ RBI year with good defense at shortstop.
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 12, 2018 13:45:10 GMT -6
I have a feeling that a lot of you guys will be changing your tune on Correa when he comes back healthy next spring. I find it very odd how quickly some fans can turn on a cheap superstar player who suffers an injury. I love Correa. I just like Bregman more. I hope CC hits 60 bombs and knocks in 150 runs next season. |
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