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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 20, 2019 12:09:15 GMT -6
Word going around is, #SFGiants have been gauging trade interest in Evan Longoria. Rivals believe it would take big bucks to offset his contract to move him. Has $72.5M to go through 2022 plus $2M assignment bonus if traded (Tampa Bay chipped in $14.5M to trade him last year). I mean like I said Giants willing to take big chunk of Evan's Contract. Js There are alot more this one just came from Jon Heyman. I mean it may not happen but I just brought it up to see how you guys feel Easy to understand why they want to get rid of him. The question is, why do you think the Astros would want or need him? |
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Post by marshall on Jan 20, 2019 12:13:42 GMT -6
Word going around is, #SFGiants have been gauging trade interest in Evan Longoria. Rivals believe it would take big bucks to offset his contract to move him. Has $72.5M to go through 2022 plus $2M assignment bonus if traded (Tampa Bay chipped in $14.5M to trade him last year). I mean like I said Giants willing to take big chunk of Evan's Contract. Js There are alot more this one just came from Jon Heyman. I mean it may not happen but I just brought it up to see how you guys feel Easy to understand why they want to get rid of him. The question is, why do you think the Astros would want or need him? I agree. We are already getting his current production for under $3M a year and could probably replace that for 500k per year. (Straw) |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2019 12:31:01 GMT -6
Word going around is, #SFGiants have been gauging trade interest in Evan Longoria. Rivals believe it would take big bucks to offset his contract to move him. Has $72.5M to go through 2022 plus $2M assignment bonus if traded (Tampa Bay chipped in $14.5M to trade him last year). I mean like I said Giants willing to take big chunk of Evan's Contract. Js There are alot more this one just came from Jon Heyman. I mean it may not happen but I just brought it up to see how you guys feel Easy to understand why they want to get rid of him. The question is, why do you think the Astros would want or need him? i asked that earlier and I have yet to see any reason given as to why we would want Longoria.......On the other hand, if we could swing a reasonable deal for Baumgarner, I'm all for it. We need pitching.....not 3B/DH. |
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Post by talshill on Jan 20, 2019 12:31:31 GMT -6
Internet bloggers can hint at collusion all they want, but in today's analytics-driven front offices the clouds have parted on player worth. One horrible contract can hamstring a team for a decade or longer, as can one bad trade where the future value of what was dealt far outweighs the return. Which is the main reason I'm not high on giving Tucker for Realmuto. I'd rather take the risk that 6 years of Tucker will be more valuable than two of Realmuto (whom I'd love to have, BTW) even if Tucker only produces at league-average rates. His lower salary will allow money to be freed up to keep our better players.
When you're investing money (and that's what this is at its core), you have to remove emotion as much as possible. The vast majority of fans (and writers) cannot or will not do this. As evidence, most Americans save very little of the money they make and have a vague hope that "the government" will take care of them at retirement. Hope is not a plan. Yet these fans/writers/wannabe GM's feel qualified to advise people much more financially savvy than themselves on what they should do. And why not? They have no culpability when the whole thing blows up. Virtually all long-term deals signed to date have had a negative ROI. The writer of the article Justin posted earlier comments on baseball's revenues being north of 10 billion, but does he have a clue what its expenditures are? Can he quote the EBITDA of any ML club? When you factor in money for taxes, debt service, salaries (major and minor leagues, plus operational personnel), park maintenance, signing bonuses, operational expenses, insurance, etc., I'm willing to bet that the bottom line isn't nearly as attractive as he presumes.
Mostly, I think they're tired of paying for caviar and getting french toast.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 20, 2019 12:36:49 GMT -6
Word going around is, #SFGiants have been gauging trade interest in Evan Longoria. Rivals believe it would take big bucks to offset his contract to move him. Has $72.5M to go through 2022 plus $2M assignment bonus if traded (Tampa Bay chipped in $14.5M to trade him last year). I mean like I said Giants willing to take big chunk of Evan's Contract. Js There are alot more this one just came from Jon Heyman. I mean it may not happen but I just brought it up to see how you guys feel Easy to understand why they want to get rid of him. The question is, why do you think the Astros would want or need him? Here's my thing Evan knows the AL. Evan also has a bloated contract. If we could get the Giants to pay some of that contract along with us dumping contracts back on to them at the same time. It's a win and we can open roster spots. That's the trick to the entire deal. The best part is if Evan turns it around and drops 25 bombs with atleats a .270 avg from the DH spot. Might be a good mentor aswell. It's a gamble but it also could free up some money and open your spot at LF for Tucker full time. There is alot to the suggested deal that could work not work fail or succeed. It's a gamble but risk vs reward is there. And freeing up money aswell. Would you say no to eating all the money if you got madbum and Watson and smith? Theres many ways you could look at a deal |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 20, 2019 12:40:50 GMT -6
Easy to understand why they want to get rid of him. The question is, why do you think the Astros would want or need him? i asked that earlier and I have yet to see any reason given as to why we would want Longoria.......On the other hand, if we could swing a reasonable deal for Baumgarner, I'm all for it. We need pitching.....not 3B/DH. The price for Madbum is high but what about if you add in Longoria would it go down? This is the silver lining I was talking about You need the giants to cover the ass end of Longorias contract and we could dump off Reddick and Yuli and have money to still spend. It's a move for move bases. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 20, 2019 13:04:32 GMT -6
Reddick and Yuli will almost certainly be more valuable to the team than Longoria.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2019 13:12:41 GMT -6
Reddick and Yuli will almost certainly be more valuable to the team than Longoria. definitely |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 20, 2019 13:24:44 GMT -6
i asked that earlier and I have yet to see any reason given as to why we would want Longoria.......On the other hand, if we could swing a reasonable deal for Baumgarner, I'm all for it. We need pitching.....not 3B/DH. It's a move for move bases. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 20, 2019 13:25:47 GMT -6
Reddick and Yuli will almost certainly be more valuable to the team than Longoria. Like I said if you get Longoria you almost can guarentee you could get MadBum or the two relivers. So its Yuli and Reddick Of giants pay 20m of Longorias contract and you could get MadBum or the Two relivers? Its tuff but that would be the call |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 20, 2019 13:28:32 GMT -6
It's a move for move bases. Baises you know what I ment |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 20, 2019 13:31:46 GMT -6
Reddick and Yuli will almost certainly be more valuable to the team than Longoria. Like I said if you get Longoria you almost can guarentee you could get MadBum or the two relivers. So its Yuli and Reddick Of giants pay 20m of Longorias contract and you could get MadBum or the Two relivers? Its tuff but that would be the call This is getting too Yankees for my taste. It’s all overly complicated. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 20, 2019 13:32:12 GMT -6
Baises you know what I ment Basis |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 20, 2019 13:33:12 GMT -6
Baises you know what I ment Basis Mint? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 20, 2019 13:33:51 GMT -6
I don’t put too much stock in vaunted bullpens, but the one the Yankees have is stellar. Ottavino, Britton, Betances, and Chapman are four closers sharing the same bullpen.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 20, 2019 13:34:46 GMT -6
Yuli and Reddick for the corpse of Walter Johnson plus cash considerations. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 20, 2019 13:40:36 GMT -6
I don’t put too much stock in vaunted bullpens, but the one the Yankees have is stellar. Ottavino, Britton, Betances, and Chapman are four closers sharing the same bullpen. On paper that line up could rival Lidge, Dotel and Wagner. I would have questions on what Delin will show up, also Britton threw the golfer ball that started the Red Sox blow out in the playoffs NY pressure. Then even though Ottavino is a New Yorker lets see how he handles the "Big Apple" Lights. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 20, 2019 14:06:30 GMT -6
The biggest problem I see is that the Giants want to dump bad contracts. The only good ones are one year of Smith or 1 year of Watson. But they are only slightly underpaid and all the contract dumps are from badly overpaid to extremely badly over paid for worse players than the worst players on our current roster.
The only place I could see value equivalents is Watson/Smith for pitching prospects and I could live without making a trade of one year for six years for each.
If you take $10M off Posey's value for the relievers Smith/Watson, that'd be about right for next year. Then they'd need to buy down years 20, 21 and 22 for $10M/$10M and $3M to buy out the 22 $22M club option.
So something like Posey, Smith and Watson with $23M for astros minor leaguers not considered prospects. That could be enhanced by about $5M for each prospect 10-20 and $3M for 21-30. Just ballpark figures.
The Astros would be taking on 19 $11.4M 20 $11.4M 21 $11.4M 22 $3M or $37.2M in salary for Posey after reducing his salary by the $23M cash and $10M excess value for the relievers.
I don't know if I'd do it or if the Giants would either, but that's value equivalents required for a trade. There's no question the players are better, but that's what happens when they're locked into big dollar contracts.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 20, 2019 14:32:10 GMT -6
Let's look at free agents only. Forget trading. What do you guys think? Any free agents we can snag?
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Post by m240 on Jan 20, 2019 15:05:15 GMT -6
I hear Keuchel and Sipp are looking for a job.
I said in December that we would not get any pitchers but what I said was that I was concerned that not getting anyone was the plan. Now it looks like it was and all they did was try to find a really good deal, barring that we would stand pat after getting Brantley. So, tighten up folks and get ready to go with the kiddy corp pitching staff with 5 rookies out of the top 13. My guess is Devenski and Harris both will be shed before the end of spring training.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 20, 2019 15:18:19 GMT -6
I hear Keuchel and Sipp are looking for a job. I said in December that we would not get any pitchers but what I said was that I was concerned that not getting anyone was the plan. Now it looks like it was and all they did was try to find a really good deal, barring that we would stand pat after getting Brantley. So, tighten up folks and get ready to go with the kiddy corp pitching staff with 5 rookies out of the top 13. My guess is Devenski and Harris both will be shed before the end of spring training. Yea I heard Astros have a hot dog bender spot open for Keuchal! |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 20, 2019 15:26:23 GMT -6
I hear Keuchel and Sipp are looking for a job. I said in December that we would not get any pitchers but what I said was that I was concerned that not getting anyone was the plan. Now it looks like it was and all they did was try to find a really good deal, barring that we would stand pat after getting Brantley. So, tighten up folks and get ready to go with the kiddy corp pitching staff with 5 rookies out of the top 13. My guess is Devenski and Harris both will be shed before the end of spring training. Yea I heard Astros have a hot dog bender spot open for Keuchal! Why would anyone want to bend a hot dog?  |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 20, 2019 15:34:46 GMT -6
Yea I heard Astros have a hot dog bender spot open for Keuchal! Why would anyone want to bend a hot dog? Cuz if he was a vendor he would ask for to much money. He would work as quality and control for the hot dogs. In the back bending them. Heard he really likes the fooooooooootlongs |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 20, 2019 15:43:09 GMT -6
Gray going to the Reds, it seems.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2019 15:53:22 GMT -6
Gray going to the Reds, it seems. And Luhnow is still sitting on his ass, twiddling his thumbs. and. being "satisfied". |
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Post by m240 on Jan 20, 2019 17:53:44 GMT -6
Gray going to the Reds, it seems. And Luhnow is still sitting on his ass, twiddling his thumbs. and. being "satisfied". there are at least two different schools of thought at work here. The first is that if you never give the kids a chance then you will never know what you have before you have to rebuild the entire starting rotation. The other is that when you have Verlander and Cole locked down for only one more season then you have to attack and maximize your opportunity for another world series win. Apparently the cost was too high for choice #2 so we are going with choice #1. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 20, 2019 18:45:34 GMT -6
And Luhnow is still sitting on his ass, twiddling his thumbs. and. being "satisfied". there are at least two different schools of thought at work here. The first is that if you never give the kids a chance then you will never know what you have before you have to rebuild the entire starting rotation. The other is that when you have Verlander and Cole locked down for only one more season then you have to attack and maximize your opportunity for another world series win. Apparently the cost was too high for choice #2 so we are going with choice #1. Gray is talented, but he is also somewhat of a head case. I'm not at all disappointed that Luhnow didn’t go after him. As to the approach Luhnow is taking..., I agree with his approach this offseason. There is no guarantee that if he unloads the farm in order to add another veteran SP, we will win the WS in 2019. We had the best starting rotation in baseball in 2018 and didn’t even make it to the WS. If Luhnow trades away our best pitching prospects... guys like James and Martin... and we fall short of a WS championship, things are going to look pretty bleak for 2020 when JV, Cole, McHugh are gone as well as the top pitching prospects we traded away. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 20, 2019 19:40:25 GMT -6
there are at least two different schools of thought at work here. The first is that if you never give the kids a chance then you will never know what you have before you have to rebuild the entire starting rotation. The other is that when you have Verlander and Cole locked down for only one more season then you have to attack and maximize your opportunity for another world series win. Apparently the cost was too high for choice #2 so we are going with choice #1. Gray is talented, but he is also somewhat of a head case. I'm not at all disappointed that Luhnow didn’t go after him. As to the approach Luhnow is taking..., I agree with his approach this offseason. There is no guarantee that if he unloads the farm in order to add another veteran SP, we will win the WS in 2019. We had the best starting rotation in baseball in 2018 and didn’t even make it to the WS. If Luhnow trades away our best pitching prospects... guys like James and Martin... and we fall short of a WS championship, things are going to look pretty bleak for 2020 when JV, Cole, McHugh are gone as well as the top pitching prospects we traded away. The problem I have with his approach is we need starting pitching and he has done nothing to get it. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 20, 2019 19:59:22 GMT -6
Gray is talented, but he is also somewhat of a head case. I'm not at all disappointed that Luhnow didn’t go after him. As to the approach Luhnow is taking..., I agree with his approach this offseason. There is no guarantee that if he unloads the farm in order to add another veteran SP, we will win the WS in 2019. We had the best starting rotation in baseball in 2018 and didn’t even make it to the WS. If Luhnow trades away our best pitching prospects... guys like James and Martin... and we fall short of a WS championship, things are going to look pretty bleak for 2020 when JV, Cole, McHugh are gone as well as the top pitching prospects we traded away. The problem I have with his approach is we need starting pitching and he has done nothing to get it. Corbin and Evoladi went for crazy money....I am thinking he knows something on Morton do so that is why he didn't re-sign him....so besides those 3 who do think he sat his on ass about. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 20, 2019 20:03:00 GMT -6
Day's like today make me miss Skippy!
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