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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 22, 2019 20:07:48 GMT -6
Maybe the Astros are the best he can do. It is beginning to look that way. That should tell him how he's rated by other teams. Much like the Ramos situation, once Dallas signs a contract we will hear he passed on a bigger deal early in the off-season.... |
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Post by m240 on Jan 22, 2019 20:08:16 GMT -6
Thanks. I remember Kemmer and Ferguson leaving, but didn't remember Cesar. The only reason I knew that Cesar was gone is that I was looking at the list of our minor leaguers on Roster Resource a while back and didn’t see his name so I did some digging online and found that he had signed with the Twins. I read an interesting article this morning where Thornton and H Perez were interviewed and they talked about how lucky they were to get out of the Houston system because of the crazy depth there in pitching and how hard it would be to get a chance to break out within our system. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 22, 2019 20:13:15 GMT -6
The only reason I knew that Cesar was gone is that I was looking at the list of our minor leaguers on Roster Resource a while back and didn’t see his name so I did some digging online and found that he had signed with the Twins. I read an interesting article this morning where Thornton and H Perez were interviewed and they talked about how lucky they were to get out of the Houston system because of the crazy depth there in pitching and how hard it would be to get a chance to break out within our system. It's true. As things stand now, I can really only see the rookie relievers getting 120 innings of work this season with the other 400 or so bullpen innings going to the vets. If Luhnow acquires another vet or two like Brach, Diekman, etc. then the Astros' current minor leaguers will have even less of a chance to show their stuff. The best a guy like McCurry can do is hope that he gets called up September for 10 innings or so. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 22, 2019 20:20:10 GMT -6
I think you have him confused with someone else. Gurriel is under contract through the 2020 season for $10.4M and $8.4M.
I wouldn't mind seeing them split time between 1B and DH; however, but keep them both in the lineup, particularly vs lefties.
Thanks for filling me in. What threw me was that Yuli is listed as reaching free agency in 2023, with 2021-22 as years of eligibility for arbitration. But now I see where his Astros contract ends in 2020, with the arb years apparently not having anything to do with the Astros (I thought they did). So i guess if a team wanted to pick him up for 2021, they could work out his salary through arbitration. Yuli will be 36 when his Astros contract ends. I think whoever put that list together failed to realize Yuli was an International FA and not a draftee. Therefore, no arbitration, ever. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 22, 2019 20:24:37 GMT -6
I think whoever put that list together failed to realize Yuli was an International FA and not a draftee. Therefore, no arbitration, ever. Yeah, I'm not sure why they wrote it that way. www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/houston-astros-salaries-and-contracts.shtml This is what Cot's has to say on Yuli: "Yulieski Gurriel 3b-2b 5 years/$47.5M (2016-20) 5 years/$47.5M (2016-20) signed by Houston as a free agent from Cuba 7/16/16 $2M signing bonus if Gurriel obtains work visa in 2016 season 16:$1.5M, 17:$14M, 18:$12M, 19:$10M, 20:$8M contract does not include no-trade protection. one-time right to opt in to arbitration once eligible may become a free agent after 2020 season award bonuses: $0.1M for MVP ($50,000 for second in vote, $25,000 for third). $50,000 for WS MVP. $25,000 each for Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, All-Star, LCS MVP. agent: Adam Katz ML service: 2.043" |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 22, 2019 20:39:02 GMT -6
3 kind of obscure names on the NRI list are Erasmo "Pinalex" (usually it's been spelled Pinales... maybe a typo by the Astros staff), Jose Hernandez, and Ryan Hartman. Hartman, especially, will be interesting to watch. He's done a good job limiting hits and walks at AA and I would think he starts this season at AAA. He had a very strong finish to his year at CC. Hartman could be another one of Luhnow’s under-the-radar gems. This from the Hooks website: “Hartman, who was named a Texas League Midseason and Postseason All-Star, orchestrated a sensational season as he went 11-4 with a 2.69 ERA and 143 strikeouts in 120.2 innings. The 24-year-old became just the fourth pitcher in Texas League history to achieve the pitching "triple crown" by leading the circuit in ERA, strikeouts, and tying for most wins. The Anaheim, Calif. native registered a 1.08 WHIP and .239 opponent batting average, both which ranked second in the Texas League. He averaged 5.5 strikeouts-per-walk and his strikeout total was the second-most by a Corpus Christi pitcher in a single season.” |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 22, 2019 20:51:54 GMT -6
I’ve got two questions for you all: 1. Who gets the next big contract for the Astros, Cole or Springer? 2. Does Sabathia getting to 250 wins mean a trip to the Hall? Cole by far |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 22, 2019 20:55:05 GMT -6
I would give Cole a Five year deal.
I would only do 3yrs on Springer but team option on his 3rd year.
He slings his body every where and would have to move put of CF before I would agree aswell
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 22, 2019 21:16:01 GMT -6
I would give Cole a Five year deal. I would only do 3yrs on Springer but team option on his 3rd year. He slings his body every where and would have to move put of CF before I would agree aswell Do we have any players you like and think we should keep? You want to dump Reddick, Gurriel, and Marisnick and trade for half-assed guys like Dietrich . You want to give a pitcher a five year extension, yet , a top CF who hits with power and drives in runs is only good for a three-year extension. Your problem is that you are totally biased against certain players and are not objective when evaluating their worth. You would dump one of the top defensive OF's in the game in Jake, but, keep a below-average OF with no power in Kemp. I don't think we can declare Tyler White a regular just yet.......he's too streaky for that. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 22, 2019 21:53:00 GMT -6
I would give Cole a Five year deal. I would only do 3yrs on Springer but team option on his 3rd year. He slings his body every where and would have to move put of CF before I would agree aswell Do we have any players you like and think we should keep? You want to dump Reddick, Gurriel, and Marisnick and trade for half-assed guys like Dietrich . You want to give a pitcher a five year extension, yet , a top CF who hits with power and drives in runs is only good for a three-year extension. Your problem is that you are totally biased against certain players and are not objective when evaluating their worth. You would dump one of the top defensive OF's in the game in Jake, but, keep a below-average OF with no power in Kemp. I don't think we can declare Tyler White a regular just yet.......he's too streaky for that. About Tyler White. He hasn't bee a regular yet, but I'm sure he's got the DH/1B job barring a very surprising turn of events. The only question in my mind is where he will get his most work, 1B or DH?
With the arrival of Brantley, regulars will be: Springer CF Altuve 2B Brantley LF Bregman 3B Correa SS White DH/1B
Gurriel 1B/DH
Reddick RF Chirinos C
Bench Stassi Diaz IN Straw OF/PR
That leaves some significant talent looking for opportunities for playing time like Kemp/Marisnick/Tucker/Fisher/Reed. It's possible Marisnick makes the squad simply because he's almost used up his minor league options. But that might be simila to all but Straw.
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Post by m240 on Jan 22, 2019 22:27:08 GMT -6
Do we have any players you like and think we should keep? You want to dump Reddick, Gurriel, and Marisnick and trade for half-assed guys like Dietrich . You want to give a pitcher a five year extension, yet , a top CF who hits with power and drives in runs is only good for a three-year extension. Your problem is that you are totally biased against certain players and are not objective when evaluating their worth. You would dump one of the top defensive OF's in the game in Jake, but, keep a below-average OF with no power in Kemp. I don't think we can declare Tyler White a regular just yet.......he's too streaky for that. About Tyler White. He hasn't bee a regular yet, but I'm sure he's got the DH/1B job barring a very surprising turn of events. The only question in my mind is where he will get his most work, 1B or DH?
With the arrival of Brantley, regulars will be: Springer CF Altuve 2B Brantley LF Bregman 3B Correa SS White DH/1B
Gurriel 1B/DH
Reddick RF Chirinos C
Bench Stassi Diaz IN Straw OF/PR
That leaves some significant talent looking for opportunities for playing time like Kemp/Marisnick/Tucker/Fisher/Reed. It's possible Marisnick makes the squad simply because he's almost used up his minor league options. But that might be simila to all but Straw.
I expect there to be more Davis to mets type of trades involving Kemp, Marisnick, Reed, Fisher, and Martes. Not all of them but at least two. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 22, 2019 22:51:27 GMT -6
Do we have any players you like and think we should keep? You want to dump Reddick, Gurriel, and Marisnick and trade for half-assed guys like Dietrich . You want to give a pitcher a five year extension, yet , a top CF who hits with power and drives in runs is only good for a three-year extension. Your problem is that you are totally biased against certain players and are not objective when evaluating their worth. You would dump one of the top defensive OF's in the game in Jake, but, keep a below-average OF with no power in Kemp. I don't think we can declare Tyler White a regular just yet.......he's too streaky for that. About Tyler White. He hasn't bee a regular yet, but I'm sure he's got the DH/1B job barring a very surprising turn of events. The only question in my mind is where he will get his most work, 1B or DH?
With the arrival of Brantley, regulars will be: Springer CF Altuve 2B Brantley LF Bregman 3B Correa SS White DH/1B
Gurriel 1B/DH
Reddick RF Chirinos C
Bench Stassi Diaz IN Straw OF/PR
That leaves some significant talent looking for opportunities for playing time like Kemp/Marisnick/Tucker/Fisher/Reed. It's possible Marisnick makes the squad simply because he's almost used up his minor league options. But that might be simila to all but Straw.
I am sure I am in the minority,but, I would keep Jake Marisnick over Kemp anytime for his defense and baserunning. I doubt if he's traded and I hope he's not. I still think it's possible that Kemp, Stassi, Reddick, and Fisher could all be traded. Brantley will be in the lineup somewhere most of the time. I think Tucker gets a long look. As for Reed, I'd deal him to anyone who would take him. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 22, 2019 22:57:29 GMT -6
I would give Cole a Five year deal. I would only do 3yrs on Springer but team option on his 3rd year. He slings his body every where and would have to move put of CF before I would agree aswell Do we have any players you like and think we should keep? You want to dump Reddick, Gurriel, and Marisnick and trade for half-assed guys like Dietrich . You want to give a pitcher a five year extension, yet , a top CF who hits with power and drives in runs is only good for a three-year extension. Your problem is that you are totally biased against certain players and are not objective when evaluating their worth. You would dump one of the top defensive OF's in the game in Jake, but, keep a below-average OF with no power in Kemp. I don't think we can declare Tyler White a regular just yet.......he's too streaky for that. I'm guessing you love older players? I dont I value players to the age of 32 to 33 yrs old depending on there production. I like Springer but his age when his contract ends doesnt suffice to his ability as a CFer. He throws his body around alot. that's alot of wear and tear on a over 30 body. Then will he shift to let's say LF? And would he take a 3yr deal? Why would you offer him a 5yr deal and end up like Evan Longoria status with a massive decline? You cant baby these players like that. Age is a big factor. I was 100% against signing Gurriel just because of his age when he signed. There very few players that make it past 33yrs old much less 31yrs old that keep an above avg bat with pop and dont start getting hurt often. Sure you can name maybe ten to fifteen. But how many baseball players are out there on a team or in the league? How many are FA and never to be signed? Think age to production cost |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 22, 2019 22:57:54 GMT -6
Martes would probably have to wait till July to get traded just because he will be on the DL until then and i think there are restrictions on trading players who are on the DL
Orioles reportedly like him so if that's the case, maybe they will give something of value for him.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 22, 2019 23:17:22 GMT -6
About Tyler White. He hasn't bee a regular yet, but I'm sure he's got the DH/1B job barring a very surprising turn of events. The only question in my mind is where he will get his most work, 1B or DH?
With the arrival of Brantley, regulars will be: Springer CF Altuve 2B Brantley LF Bregman 3B Correa SS White DH/1B
Gurriel 1B/DH
Reddick RF Chirinos C
Bench Stassi Diaz IN Straw OF/PR
That leaves some significant talent looking for opportunities for playing time like Kemp/Marisnick/Tucker/Fisher/Reed. It's possible Marisnick makes the squad simply because he's almost used up his minor league options. But that might be simila to all but Straw.
I am sure I am in the minority,but, I would keep Jake Marisnick over Kemp anytime for his defense and baserunning. I doubt if he's traded and I hope he's not. I still think it's possible that Kemp, Stassi, Reddick, and Fisher could all be traded. Brantley will be in the lineup somewhere most of the time. I think Tucker gets a long look. As for Reed, I'd deal him to anyone who would take him. So let's look at your boy Jake from state farm. I'll compare to both Straw and Kemp. Marisnick Offense well below avg bat but can have some pop. Steals bases, fast. When he swings it's not effortless it's like all or nothing. Wrong frame of body to be that way. He has to get the singles and doubles down before all or nothing batting. SOs or throw out machine unless in the gaps Defense A++++ Defender. But is very reckless with his body. Throws it around like loose change. Can play all OF spots Salary Between 2 and 3m for a DEF only That's high for a none bat guy. Kemp Offense Avg Bat very little pop. Gets alot of singles and Doubles. Fast on the base paths. But not a big stealer of bases Def He isnt the tallest bit is fast. Does get to the ball well and will throw his body around to get to the ball. Arm is below average. Not strong enough to play deep in the OF better off at 2B. Salary Minimum perfect back up for the money Straw Offense Hasn't played a full MlB season but in the minors he has shown he can get on base with singles and doubles and the same value Home Run you would get from Marisnick but alittle more often. Not a violent swinger. But understands his feet are gold. Steals bases like no ones business with ease. Def Again not a full season in the MLB. But he is very very fast.. in the minors 3 errors only his entire career. Gets to the ball with ease and will sacrifice his body to make the big catch. But as said before doesnt really have to because of the speed and maybe his field vision is good Salary Minimum perfect back up So all in all you look at age, Marisnick 27yrs old, Kemp 27yrs old and Straw 24yrs old. Service time in the MLB. Kemp 3yrs of of and on and a half to full yr under his belt. Straw hand full of games. Marisnick has 6 full seasons. So looking at that you would think Marisnick has got to be doing better with his avg as he has seen these guys longer as he has been in the league for 6yrs? No Kemp is a better batter by a large margin then him but lesser on the Def side. Straw hasn't seen hardly any MlB pitching but out of his 9 AB he has hit 3 and 1 for a HR. He has played a very good OF when givin the chance. So to me and to a money person who do you keep out of those three? One must go or two depending on your squad. Marisnick, Kemp or Straw? It's easy as a financial stand point. Marisnick let's let Straw and Kemp be 4 and 5 OF if we move Reddick age to co tract Value over all. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 22, 2019 23:29:59 GMT -6
About Tyler White. He hasn't bee a regular yet, but I'm sure he's got the DH/1B job barring a very surprising turn of events. The only question in my mind is where he will get his most work, 1B or DH?
With the arrival of Brantley, regulars will be: Springer CF Altuve 2B Brantley LF Bregman 3B Correa SS White DH/1B
Gurriel 1B/DH
Reddick RF Chirinos C
Bench Stassi Diaz IN Straw OF/PR
That leaves some significant talent looking for opportunities for playing time like Kemp/Marisnick/Tucker/Fisher/Reed. It's possible Marisnick makes the squad simply because he's almost used up his minor league options. But that might be simila to all but Straw.
I am sure I am in the minority,but, I would keep Jake Marisnick Yuuuuup, you certainly are. -Bort |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 22, 2019 23:59:15 GMT -6
Marisnick is a great defender, but it’s not like he’s Andruw Jones in his prime. Neither he nor Straw are starters at this point. I’d go with Straw.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 23, 2019 0:22:22 GMT -6
I am sure I am in the minority,but, I would keep Jake Marisnick Yuuuuup, you certainly are. -Bort And, I damn sure don't mind being in the minority. It doesn't bother me if others disagree. I value great defense, speed, and value in the clubhouse. When Jake returned last year, his teammates welcomed him and spoke of his value to the team an and how he added to team morale. I'd take him over Kemp all day long. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 23, 2019 0:28:56 GMT -6
Do we have any players you like and think we should keep? You want to dump Reddick, Gurriel, and Marisnick and trade for half-assed guys like Dietrich . You want to give a pitcher a five year extension, yet , a top CF who hits with power and drives in runs is only good for a three-year extension. Your problem is that you are totally biased against certain players and are not objective when evaluating their worth. You would dump one of the top defensive OF's in the game in Jake, but, keep a below-average OF with no power in Kemp. I don't think we can declare Tyler White a regular just yet.......he's too streaky for that. I'm guessing you love older players? I dont I value players to the age of 32 to 33 yrs old depending on there production. I like Springer but his age when his contract ends doesnt suffice to his ability as a CFer. He throws his body around alot. that's alot of wear and tear on a over 30 body. Then will he shift to let's say LF? And would he take a 3yr deal? Why would you offer him a 5yr deal and end up like Evan Longoria status with a massive decline? You cant baby these players like that. Age is a big factor. I was 100% against signing Gurriel just because of his age when he signed. There very few players that make it past 33yrs old much less 31yrs old that keep an above avg bat with pop and dont start getting hurt often. Sure you can name maybe ten to fifteen. But how many baseball players are out there on a team or in the league? How many are FA and never to be signed? Think age to production cost A player's age isn't a huge concern of mine...........I want to know if he is producing and helping us win whether he is 25 or 35. Using your logic, we should have dumped Craig Biggio well before he decided to retire. I am not sure why you think "throwing your body around" is such a bad thing. I want a guy who goes all out on every play and busts his ass to win. I'll pay him more than some slacker who doesn't go all out all the time. Moving George to LF if necessary would be no problem. As long as he swings the bat and produces, they will find a spot for him. You seem to have a distaste for veterans and, instead of rewarding them for their contributions you want to put them out to pasture and go with some younger, unproven players.....not a formula for winning titles. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 23, 2019 3:19:45 GMT -6
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 23, 2019 3:57:05 GMT -6
Zips and Steamer aren't being very kind to Osuna in their pre-season projections; they have him at about 65 IP and ERA ~3.70.
Seems awfully harsh for a guy who finished 2018 (which had a few off-season headaches for him) with a 2.45 FIP and a 1.74 the year before that.
I expect Osuna to stay under 3.00 ERA this though not by a whole lot.
Kirby Yates and Will Smith would make really excellent set up men.
Steamer/Zips see Giles as nearly an equivalent pitcher to Osuna this year. I can't see why. Osuna has the better track record and is 5 years younger, and the off-field distractions are pretty much behind him now.
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Post by m240 on Jan 23, 2019 7:58:02 GMT -6
Martes would probably have to wait till July to get traded just because he will be on the DL until then and i think there are restrictions on trading players who are on the DL Orioles reportedly like him so if that's the case, maybe they will give something of value for him. I know that there is a restriction on trading major league players while on the dl but do not think that extends to the minor leagues. Perhaps though it does extend to guys who are on the 40 man roster. You are right, I am thinking that he gets traded to the O's as Elias thinks the world of him. Whether that is before he comes off the dl or after I would bet even money that he goes to the O's for A level players that Luhnow likes |
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Post by m240 on Jan 23, 2019 8:01:02 GMT -6
Zips and Steamer aren't being very kind to Osuna in their pre-season projections; they have him at about 65 IP and ERA ~3.70. Seems awfully harsh for a guy who finished 2018 (which had a few off-season headaches for him) with a 2.45 FIP and a 1.74 the year before that. I expect Osuna to stay under 3.00 ERA this though not by a whole lot. Kirby Yates and Will Smith would make really excellent set up men. Steamer/Zips see Giles as nearly an equivalent pitcher to Osuna this year. I can't see why. Osuna has the better track record and is 5 years younger, and the off-field distractions are pretty much behind him now. Perhaps a little social bias leaking into their work product. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 23, 2019 8:18:39 GMT -6
Zips and Steamer aren't being very kind to Osuna in their pre-season projections; they have him at about 65 IP and ERA ~3.70. Seems awfully harsh for a guy who finished 2018 (which had a few off-season headaches for him) with a 2.45 FIP and a 1.74 the year before that. I expect Osuna to stay under 3.00 ERA this though not by a whole lot. Kirby Yates and Will Smith would make really excellent set up men. Steamer/Zips see Giles as nearly an equivalent pitcher to Osuna this year. I can't see why. Osuna has the better track record and is 5 years younger, and the off-field distractions are pretty much behind him now. You Think? |
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Post by Saint on Jan 23, 2019 8:57:10 GMT -6
Berkman off the ballot, just got 1.2%. Roy O got less than 1% Just didn't stay healthy long enough. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 23, 2019 9:00:49 GMT -6
Retire, Ichiro. You haven't had a good season since 2010.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 23, 2019 9:23:43 GMT -6
Realmuto news
Marlins prefer the Braves prospects in any trade for Realmuto.
Issue is Braves arent dumb and just about everyone in there top 10 is currently off limits in any trade talks.
Again Dodgers have said there top 3 off limits.
I think I would trade Tucker if I got something else back.
If I Offered Kyle Tucker I wanna throw something back to them aswell.
Ex:
Kyle Tucker, Jake Marisnick, Tony Kemp, J.B. bukouskas and Chris Devenski
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J.T. Realmuto, Lewis Brenson and a Adam Conley
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Post by m240 on Jan 23, 2019 9:26:02 GMT -6
In reviewing the remaining free agents it struck me as a bit odd that the Astros free agents are not receiving much love this off season. Keuchel, Gonzales, Gattis, Sipp, and Maldonado are all still flopping in the breeze. I wonder if other gms are discounting player performance in favor of advanced Astros analytics. Or is it the agents promising to capitalize on the Astros success to get better deals and the league not buying it.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 9:27:07 GMT -6
Retire, Ichiro. You haven't had a good season since 2010. The first Mariner games are in Japan....I would think Ichiro will retire shortly afterwards.... |
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Post by Saint on Jan 23, 2019 9:28:43 GMT -6
In reviewing the remaining free agents it struck me as a bit odd that the Astros free agents are not receiving much love this off season. Keuchel, Gonzales, Gattis, Sipp, and Maldonado are all still flopping in the breeze. I wonder if other gms are discounting player performance in favor of advanced Astros analytics. Or is it the agents promising to capitalize on the Astros success to get better deals and the league not buying it. Gattis won't get much, sadly. No real defensive value and his OBP has been too low. His best bet at money would be on a foreign team, otherwise he'll likely have to settle for a minor league contract with invite to ST. Sipp, Gonzalez, Keuchel and Maldonado will all get signed. I'm sure Boras is asking too much for Marwin (like with Keuchel). |
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