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Post by Saint on Jan 23, 2019 9:29:00 GMT -6
Retire, Ichiro. You haven't had a good season since 2010. The first Mariner games are in Japan....I would think Ichiro will retire shortly afterwards.... Good point. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 23, 2019 9:32:11 GMT -6
Realmuto news Marlins prefer the Braves prospects in any trade for Realmuto. Issue is Braves arent dumb and just about everyone in there top 10 is currently off limits in any trade talks. Again Dodgers have said there top 3 off limits. I think I would trade Tucker if I got something else back. If I Offered Kyle Tucker I wanna throw something back to them aswell. Ex: Kyle Tucker, Jake Marisnick, Tony Kemp, J.B. bukouskas and Chris Devenski For J.T. Realmuto, Lewis Brenson and a Adam Conley If I were Luhnow for a day I would give what you suggested but would want Realmuto, Urena, and Conley. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 23, 2019 9:42:39 GMT -6
Zips and Steamer aren't being very kind to Osuna in their pre-season projections; they have him at about 65 IP and ERA ~3.70. Seems awfully harsh for a guy who finished 2018 (which had a few off-season headaches for him) with a 2.45 FIP and a 1.74 the year before that. I expect Osuna to stay under 3.00 ERA this though not by a whole lot. Kirby Yates and Will Smith would make really excellent set up men. Steamer/Zips see Giles as nearly an equivalent pitcher to Osuna this year. I can't see why. Osuna has the better track record and is 5 years younger, and the off-field distractions are pretty much behind him now. Perhaps a little social bias leaking into their work product. The problem with these prediction sites is that you never have anyone go back at the end of the season to see whether or not they were accurate. It's easy to predict when there are no consequences for failure. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 9:52:22 GMT -6
Realmuto news Marlins prefer the Braves prospects in any trade for Realmuto. Issue is Braves arent dumb and just about everyone in there top 10 is currently off limits in any trade talks. Again Dodgers have said there top 3 off limits. I think I would trade Tucker if I got something else back. If I Offered Kyle Tucker I wanna throw something back to them aswell. Ex: Kyle Tucker, Jake Marisnick, Tony Kemp, J.B. bukouskas and Chris Devenski For J.T. Realmuto, Lewis Brenson and a Adam Conley If I were Luhnow for a day I would give what you suggested but would want Realmuto, Urena, and Conley. I would be interested in Conley. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 23, 2019 10:24:38 GMT -6
If I were Luhnow for a day I would give what you suggested but would want Realmuto, Urena, and Conley. I would be interested in Conley. At this moment no one really knows what Jeter is thinking, or over thinking. He is the true wild card. So to me they have to do something °Astros) to get improvements for this club. Whether it be Realmuto, Castellanos, Lugo, Stroman etc etc etc. This club still has some holes. In both the Pitching and Lineup. So unless the Astros do ao.ething I would put our odds on repeat champs division would go way down |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 23, 2019 10:53:21 GMT -6
Realmuto news Marlins prefer the Braves prospects in any trade for Realmuto. Issue is Braves arent dumb and just about everyone in there top 10 is currently off limits in any trade talks. Again Dodgers have said there top 3 off limits. I think I would trade Tucker if I got something else back. If I Offered Kyle Tucker I wanna throw something back to them aswell. Ex: Kyle Tucker, Jake Marisnick, Tony Kemp, J.B. bukouskas and Chris Devenski For J.T. Realmuto, Lewis Brenson and a Adam Conley I see you pulled another ridiculous proposal out of your ass. TUCKER WILL NOT BE TRADED for your crush, Realmuto. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 23, 2019 12:12:23 GMT -6
Realmuto news Marlins prefer the Braves prospects in any trade for Realmuto. Issue is Braves arent dumb and just about everyone in there top 10 is currently off limits in any trade talks. Again Dodgers have said there top 3 off limits. I think I would trade Tucker if I got something else back. If I Offered Kyle Tucker I wanna throw something back to them aswell. Ex: Kyle Tucker, Jake Marisnick, Tony Kemp, J.B. bukouskas and Chris Devenski For J.T. Realmuto, Lewis Brenson and a Adam Conley I see you pulled another ridiculous proposal out of your ass. TUCKER WILL NOT BE TRADED for your crush, Realmuto. I see you didnt see I would only trade him if we got more in the deal. Asshat |
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Post by marshall on Jan 23, 2019 12:27:11 GMT -6
Realmuto news Marlins prefer the Braves prospects in any trade for Realmuto. Issue is Braves arent dumb and just about everyone in there top 10 is currently off limits in any trade talks. Again Dodgers have said there top 3 off limits. I think I would trade Tucker if I got something else back. If I Offered Kyle Tucker I wanna throw something back to them aswell. Ex: Kyle Tucker, Jake Marisnick, Tony Kemp, J.B. bukouskas and Chris Devenski For J.T. Realmu Quoteto, Lewis Brenson and a Adam Conley Once again you want to trade Tucker for 2 years of Realmuto and then a bunch of other prospects for players who really won't help. Brenson 62 OPS+? Conley 90 ERA+? They might not make our AAA team and they are on the decline as they near 30.
I just don't understand the compulsion. Besides, the report sounds to me like misinformation designed to create urgency in other teams to overpay. Sometimes it works, but I suspect not on Luhnow who seems to have a good idea of both player performance AND value.
This just sounds like desperation caused by a lack of reports. I'd much rather go with what we have than any package even close to this proposal.
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Post by marshall on Jan 23, 2019 12:32:50 GMT -6
I see you pulled another ridiculous proposal out of your ass. TUCKER WILL NOT BE TRADED for your crush, Realmuto. I see you didnt see I would only trade him if we got more in the deal. Asshat Those players are less, not more. The Marlins really don't have anyone else that would make the Astros 25 man roster. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 13:03:50 GMT -6
Realmuto news Marlins prefer the Braves prospects in any trade for Realmuto. Issue is Braves arent dumb and just about everyone in there top 10 is currently off limits in any trade talks. Again Dodgers have said there top 3 off limits. I think I would trade Tucker if I got something else back. If I Offered Kyle Tucker I wanna throw something back to them aswell. Ex: Kyle Tucker, Jake Marisnick, Tony Kemp, J.B. bukouskas and Chris Devenski For J.T. Realmu Quoteto, Lewis Brenson and a Adam Conley Once again you want to trade Tucker for 2 years of Realmuto and then a bunch of other prospects for players who really won't help. Brenson 62 OPS+? Conley 90 ERA+? They might not make our AAA team and they are on the decline as they near 30.
I just don't understand the compulsion. Besides, the report sounds to me like misinformation designed to create urgency in other teams to overpay. Sometimes it works, but I suspect not on Luhnow who seems to have a good idea of both player performance AND value.
This just sounds like desperation caused by a lack of reports. I'd much rather go with what we have than any package even close to this proposal.
Conley is better than his numbers, I would be very interested in obtaining him |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 23, 2019 13:27:07 GMT -6
I see you pulled another ridiculous proposal out of your ass. TUCKER WILL NOT BE TRADED for your crush, Realmuto. I see you didnt see I would only trade him if we got more in the deal. Asshat You are obsessed with getting Realmuto.....it is not going to happen.....accept it. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 23, 2019 13:36:15 GMT -6
I see you pulled another ridiculous proposal out of your ass. TUCKER WILL NOT BE TRADED for your crush, Realmuto. I see you didnt see I would only trade him if we got more in the deal. Asshat No need to get personal. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 14:17:40 GMT -6
I see you didnt see I would only trade him if we got more in the deal. Asshat You are obsessed with getting Realmuto.....it is not going to happen.....accept it. Astros have hitting now, giving up top prospects for a 2 year rental catcher makes zero sense... Top prospects should go for pitching, if anything |
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Post by marshall on Jan 23, 2019 14:24:46 GMT -6
Once again you want to trade Tucker for 2 years of Realmuto and then a bunch of other prospects for players who really won't help. Brenson 62 OPS+? Conley 90 ERA+? They might not make our AAA team and they are on the decline as they near 30.
I just don't understand the compulsion. Besides, the report sounds to me like misinformation designed to create urgency in other teams to overpay. Sometimes it works, but I suspect not on Luhnow who seems to have a good idea of both player performance AND value.
This just sounds like desperation caused by a lack of reports. I'd much rather go with what we have than any package even close to this proposal.
Conley is better than his numbers, I would be very interested in obtaining him The numbers don't lie. He's ineffective over four years without even a hint of value for this team. It was much worse in 2017 than last year. ERA+ of 65. Why would you say he's better than his numbers? Aesthetics? does he throw a pretty fastball that get's smashed regularly? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 14:28:14 GMT -6
Conley is better than his numbers, I would be very interested in obtaining him The numbers don't lie. He's ineffective over four years without even a hint of value for this team. It was much worse in 2017 than last year. ERA+ of 65. Why would you say he's better than his numbers? Aesthetics? does he throw a pretty fastball that get's smashed regularly? They put him in the bullpen, and had a Fantastic whip in 2018. Has a top spin rate and fastball. And he's a lefty. so I think he would be an ideal fit for the Astros |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 23, 2019 14:45:45 GMT -6
Conley is better than his numbers, I would be very interested in obtaining him The numbers don't lie. He's ineffective over four years without even a hint of value for this team. It was much worse in 2017 than last year. ERA+ of 65. Why would you say he's better than his numbers? Aesthetics? does he throw a pretty fastball that get's smashed regularly? Fans have managed to fool themselves into believing that Strom is some sort of magic man who can fix mediocre pitchers, despite many examples of mediocre pitchers he failed to fix. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 14:45:51 GMT -6
The numbers don't lie. He's ineffective over four years without even a hint of value for this team. It was much worse in 2017 than last year. ERA+ of 65. Why would you say he's better than his numbers? Aesthetics? does he throw a pretty fastball that get's smashed regularly? They put him in the bullpen, and had a Fantastic whip in 2018. Has a top spin rate and fastball. And he's a lefty. so I think he would be an ideal fit for the Astros Trade for Lugo, Connely and Kluber + sign Justin Wilson....would my dream scenario for the rest of the off-season.... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 14:46:15 GMT -6
The numbers don't lie. He's ineffective over four years without even a hint of value for this team. It was much worse in 2017 than last year. ERA+ of 65. Why would you say he's better than his numbers? Aesthetics? does he throw a pretty fastball that get's smashed regularly? Fans have managed to fool themselves into believing that Strom is some sort of magic man who can fix mediocre pitchers, despite many examples of mediocre pitchers he failed to fix. Shut-up Pa! |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 23, 2019 14:47:28 GMT -6
Fans have managed to fool themselves into believing that Strom is some sort of magic man who can fix mediocre pitchers, despite many examples of mediocre pitchers he failed to fix. Shut-up Pa! I know you are but what am I? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 14:48:40 GMT -6
The numbers don't lie. He's ineffective over four years without even a hint of value for this team. It was much worse in 2017 than last year. ERA+ of 65. Why would you say he's better than his numbers? Aesthetics? does he throw a pretty fastball that get's smashed regularly? Fans have managed to fool themselves into believing that Strom is some sort of magic man who can fix mediocre pitchers, despite many examples of mediocre pitchers he failed to fix. To misspeak of Strom is Heresy! |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 14:49:53 GMT -6
I know you are but what am I? A yellow nut, bed pan peeing nice guy. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 23, 2019 15:43:17 GMT -6
You are obsessed with getting Realmuto.....it is not going to happen.....accept it. Astros have hitting now, giving up top prospects for a 2 year rental catcher makes zero sense... Top prospects should go for pitching, if anything This. I wouldn't give up Tucker or any of our top-10 prospects unless it was for qood quality starting pitching with multiple years of control.
If you could get some position player that was a clear upgrade without doing that, so be it. (I'd still love to have Merrifield.) |
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Post by Saint on Jan 23, 2019 15:46:25 GMT -6
They put him in the bullpen, and had a Fantastic whip in 2018. Has a top spin rate and fastball. And he's a lefty. so I think he would be an ideal fit for the Astros Trade for Lugo, Connely and Kluber + sign Justin Wilson....would my dream scenario for the rest of the off-season.... I'm totally with you on Lugo and Kluber. And it would make sense to offer an extension to McHugh. He'd be reasonably-priced and is solid at worst. There are worse rotations than: Kluber Whitley McHugh James Lugo Especially if our offense bounces back and we can tie up Springer and/or Bregman. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 23, 2019 15:53:36 GMT -6
Trade for Lugo, Connely and Kluber + sign Justin Wilson....would my dream scenario for the rest of the off-season.... I'm totally with you on Lugo and Kluber. And it would make sense to offer an extension to McHugh. He'd be reasonably-priced and is solid at worst. There are worse rotations than: Kluber Whitley McHugh James Lugo Especially if our offense bounces back and we can tie up Springer and/or Bregman. I like: Cole Kluber Whitley James Lugo. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 23, 2019 15:56:27 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Jan 23, 2019 16:02:30 GMT -6
I'm totally with you on Lugo and Kluber. And it would make sense to offer an extension to McHugh. He'd be reasonably-priced and is solid at worst. There are worse rotations than: Kluber Whitley McHugh James Lugo Especially if our offense bounces back and we can tie up Springer and/or Bregman. I like: Cole Kluber Whitley James Lugo. I do too. I just don't think we get him back. I think he's looking at a $150 million payday, if not more. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 23, 2019 16:14:25 GMT -6
I like: Cole Kluber Whitley James Lugo. I do too. I just don't think we get him back. I think he's looking at a $150 million payday, if not more. When I see those projected figures for players, I get all Jules to Vincent on Pulp Fiction: "If you give that fecking nimrod $1500, I'll shoot him on principle." |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 16:34:27 GMT -6
I do too. I just don't think we get him back. I think he's looking at a $150 million payday, if not more. When I see those projected figures for players, I get all Jules to Vincent on Pulp Fiction: "If you give that fecking nimrod $1500, I'll shoot him on principle." BMF |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 23, 2019 16:39:35 GMT -6
If SDP is serious about trying to win their division in 2020, then they probably would be ready to deal for SP and unwilling to trade a pitcher like Yates, who is with them through 2020.
However Stammen (contract up in '19) and Renfroe (no place left for him in OF) are probably available in this scenario. Bukauskas, Devo, Kemp, Armenteros, Guduan... those are some of the names that could be in play in a deal like that.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 23, 2019 16:51:35 GMT -6
Giants signed Pomeranz for $5 million. That suggests a few things -
1) Their goal for 2019 is to focus on their minor league system while entertaining their fans with a MLB club of respectable/decent but not great veterans.
2) Their pressure to shed expensive contracts (Logoria, Posey, MadBum...) is even higher then before. The $5 million isn't much but it's 9 times more than they would have paid for a young player getting the minimum, and that payroll is sky high already.
3) Will Smith and Tony Watson don't really have a place in SFG's 2019 plans.
4) Guys like Kemp/Marisnick/Reddick would help them get a decent veteran OF out there and the Astros also have AA/AAA pitching to help them restock their farm.
If SFG is willing to eat Reddick's contract and/or send cash, that could get the cost of Posey or MadBum down to a reasonable level. that would solve at least 2 strategic off season goals for the Astros.
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