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Post by bearbryant on Jan 24, 2019 14:44:06 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2019 14:50:33 GMT -6
I'd be willing to go 3-year $50 mil or 4-year $60 mil. I wouldn't do more than that.
With his style of pitching, some velocity decline likely won't make a difference. Yeah, paying him $15 mil-ish for those last two seasons is probably overpaying some, but we have too many question marks without a veteran or two like him.
You can't rely on being able to get back Cole or Verlander.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 14:56:06 GMT -6
I'd be willing to go 3-year $50 mil or 4-year $60 mil. I wouldn't do more than that. With his style of pitching, some velocity decline likely won't make a difference. Yeah, paying him $15 mil-ish for those last two seasons is probably overpaying some, but we have too many question marks without a veteran or two like him. You can't rely on being able to get back Cole or Verlander. Does anyone think Verlander will keep pitching after this contract is over? I am guessing he goes home and lives in a constant state of coitus. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2019 14:57:15 GMT -6
I'd be willing to go 3-year $50 mil or 4-year $60 mil. I wouldn't do more than that. With his style of pitching, some velocity decline likely won't make a difference. Yeah, paying him $15 mil-ish for those last two seasons is probably overpaying some, but we have too many question marks without a veteran or two like him. You can't rely on being able to get back Cole or Verlander. Does anyone think Verlander will keep pitching after this contract is over? I am guessing he goes home and lives in a constant state of coitus. I bet he looks for a 3-year deal with a contender around $20-25 mil a year. Maybe more if he has another strong season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 14:59:07 GMT -6
Does anyone think Verlander will keep pitching after this contract is over? I am guessing he goes home and lives in a constant state of coitus. I bet he looks for a 3-year deal with a contender around $20-25 mil a year. Maybe more if he has another strong season. I guess we all have priorities.......  |
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Post by marshall on Jan 24, 2019 15:00:12 GMT -6
I'm not opposed to signing him. Just not at the outrageous price Boros expected.
1 YR $17M
2 Yr $32M ($16M/yr)
3 Yr $45M ($15M/yr)
4 Yr $56M ($14M/yr)
5 Yr $65M ($13M/yr)
These are for expected results. Add penalties and incentives to make it performance based as far as the Players Union will allow under the agreement.
Perhaps reduce the base and have a 2 tiered bonus with half for expected performance level and double for above expected performance for either innings or Cy votes. It's tricky to find an acceptable combination. Perhaps include buyout options for the team or at least mutual options.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 15:02:19 GMT -6
I'm not opposed to signing him. Just not at the outrageous price Boros expected. 1 YR $17M 2 Yr $32M ($16M/yr) 3 Yr $45M ($15M/yr) 4 Yr $56M ($14M/yr) 5 Yr $65M ($13M/yr) These are for expected results. Add penalties and incentives to make it performance based as far as the Players Union will allow under the agreement. Perhaps reduce the base and have a 2 tiered bonus with half for expected performance level and double for above expected performance for either innings or Cy votes. It's tricky to find an acceptable combination. Perhaps include buyout options for the team or at least mutual options. 5 yrs? Ohhhhhhh nooooooooo....... |
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Post by marshall on Jan 24, 2019 15:06:25 GMT -6
I'd be willing to go 3-year $50 mil or 4-year $60 mil. I wouldn't do more than that. With his style of pitching, some velocity decline likely won't make a difference. Yeah, paying him $15 mil-ish for those last two seasons is probably overpaying some, but we have too many question marks without a veteran or two like him. You can't rely on being able to get back Cole or Verlander. Does anyone think Verlander will keep pitching after this contract is over? I am guessing he goes home and lives in a constant state of coitus. Verlander has stated he has thoughts that he might follow Ryan's example and continue pitching into his 40s as long as he remains effective.
He is a player I would love back with mutual options since he's great when he's on, but unlikely to have a taste for substandard performance. But I could see him returning to Detroit if their rebuild is showing progress.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2019 15:37:14 GMT -6
Getting Keuchel at a reasonable price for 2-3 years would be a solid signing given our needs past this season. Dislike him all you want, but if he has three years like his last three years, you've got a very solid #3: 12-9 3.77 ERA 28 Starts on average from 2016-2018. In this day of baseball, that's worth $10-15 mil a year. Agreed, but we have been backed into a corner where we might have to overpay a tad, for mid level rotation support. He turned down the $18M QO. Does Luhnow grit is teeth, and offer a $20M/Yr. 1 or 2 year deal? I sure as hell wouldn't pay any more than that. Being as he turned down the qualifying offer, I would not offer him that much....top offer should be no more than $15 million and I wouldn't give him that. Boras thought teams would be lining up to sign Keuchel and he is seeing that is not the case. No way I'd offer him over $15 million a year or more than two years.....and my first offer would be $13.5 million. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2019 15:38:52 GMT -6
Where would you rank the Astros in favorites to sign Keuchel? Here would be my current list 1. Phillies 2. Braves (my pre off-season favorite) 3. Astros 4. Padres 5. Brewers 6. A's (sounds crazy) I assumed the Braves would have him signed by now, especially if McCann has influence with them. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 24, 2019 15:45:20 GMT -6
Getting Keuchel at a reasonable price for 2-3 years would be a solid signing given our needs past this season. Dislike him all you want, but if he has three years like his last three years, you've got a very solid #3: 12-9 3.77 ERA 28 Starts on average from 2016-2018. In this day of baseball, that's worth $10-15 mil a year. And we could trade for Giles as closer!  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2019 15:49:04 GMT -6
Getting Keuchel at a reasonable price for 2-3 years would be a solid signing given our needs past this season. Dislike him all you want, but if he has three years like his last three years, you've got a very solid #3: 12-9 3.77 ERA 28 Starts on average from 2016-2018. In this day of baseball, that's worth $10-15 mil a year. And we could trade for Giles as closer! Has voodoo proposed that trade yet? He has come up with some ideas just as ridiculousl  |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2019 16:46:58 GMT -6
Getting Keuchel at a reasonable price for 2-3 years would be a solid signing given our needs past this season. Dislike him all you want, but if he has three years like his last three years, you've got a very solid #3: 12-9 3.77 ERA 28 Starts on average from 2016-2018. In this day of baseball, that's worth $10-15 mil a year. And we could trade for Giles as closer! Do we need a closer? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 24, 2019 16:52:40 GMT -6
And we could trade for Giles as closer! Do we need a closer? Of course we do, you Osuna hating son of a bitch! |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2019 17:01:48 GMT -6
Of course we do, you Osuna hating son of a bitch! Eh, Osuna is overrated, but he's reasonably-priced. I'm not concerned about the bullpen this year. Next year though... |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 24, 2019 17:17:39 GMT -6
I think Dallas Agent Mr Boras. Has a high price on him and wants a long contract.
That's what's scary about signing him
I would sign him sure but
1 10m
2 10m
3 25m Team buyout 500k
4 18m Team buyout 250k
5 $2.45 player option
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 24, 2019 17:23:40 GMT -6
I think the Dodgers are about to trade Joc Pederson yo the White Sox for Carlos Rodon.
Just me.
Some seem to believe the Dodgers are going to trade Verdugo for Realmuto
But he is not available.
As alot of writers suggest Tucker for Realmuto straight up should have been a done deal. Idk what Lunhows offer is but and I mean but, Realmuto would make this team a hole different animal when it comes to deep batting team.
As of today I think Nick Castellanos could be had as a steal.
He wants to be traded before Spring Training. I think the Tigers have painted themselves into a corner with him.
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Post by olpapa on Jan 24, 2019 17:38:34 GMT -6
Agreed, but we have been backed into a corner where we might have to overpay a tad, for mid level rotation support. He turned down the $18M QO. Does Luhnow grit is teeth, and offer a $20M/Yr. 1 or 2 year deal? I sure as hell wouldn't pay any more than that. Things have changed since he turned down the QO. He's now seeing teams are not going to pay him like PT Barnum uhg.. Boras said they would. I'd make sure the offer for a single year is under the QO since we lose the draft pick and any offer beyond 2019 averages less, even if it's front loaded. There should be some penalty for turning down the QO earlier. I may be wrong, but I don’t think a team has to give up a draft pick when they re-sign a FA who played for them and rejected their qualifying offer. So I don’t think the Astros would lose a draft pick if they re-sign Keuchel. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 24, 2019 17:39:18 GMT -6
I wonder if Tucker has ever considered catching?
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 24, 2019 17:49:37 GMT -6
Things have changed since he turned down the QO. He's now seeing teams are not going to pay him like PT Barnum uhg.. Boras said they would. I'd make sure the offer for a single year is under the QO since we lose the draft pick and any offer beyond 2019 averages less, even if it's front loaded. There should be some penalty for turning down the QO earlier. I may be wrong, but I don’t think a team has to give up a draft pick when they re-sign a FA who played for them and rejected their qualifying offer. So I don’t think the Astros would lose a draft pick if they re-sign Keuchel. You are correct. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 24, 2019 17:50:32 GMT -6
I think the Dodgers are about to trade Joc Pederson yo the White Sox for Carlos Rodon. Just me. Some seem to believe the Dodgers are going to trade Verdugo for Realmuto But he is not available. As alot of writers suggest Tucker for Realmuto straight up should have been a done deal. Idk what Lunhows offer is but and I mean but, Realmuto would make this team a hole different animal when it comes to deep batting team. As of today I think Nick Castellanos could be had as a steal. He wants to be traded before Spring Training. I think the Tigers have painted themselves into a corner with him. Rondon>>>>>better for the future of the Whitesox than Pederson Imo. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 24, 2019 17:52:17 GMT -6
Things have changed since he turned down the QO. He's now seeing teams are not going to pay him like PT Barnum uhg.. Boras said they would. I'd make sure the offer for a single year is under the QO since we lose the draft pick and any offer beyond 2019 averages less, even if it's front loaded. There should be some penalty for turning down the QO earlier. I may be wrong, but I don’t think a team has to give up a draft pick when they re-sign a FA who played for them and rejected their qualifying offer. So I don’t think the Astros would No. They lose the competitive balance draft pick that they would pick up if he signs elsewhere. That would likely be between the second and third rounds.
He's not worth 5 years for $100M, but he might be worth $65M for 5 seasons if he has to have a five year deal. I just don't see him as more than a middle of the rotation starter over the life of the contract. More likely, one above average, one below average and three average seasons. If we're lucky, he'd make a good fifth starter if we resign Verlander and/or Cole, get McCullers back and pitching well and the prospects perform as hoped.
James might be able to fill the McHugh role swinging between starting and relieving and doing admirably at both.
The future is bright if you think about things without always expecting the worst.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 24, 2019 17:54:30 GMT -6
Our front office must be high on Forrest.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 24, 2019 17:58:13 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2019 18:02:27 GMT -6
Our front office must be high on Forrest. Since Nolan Ryan scouted him personally and rated him as a "can't miss", I can see why they are high on him and won't trade him. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 24, 2019 18:45:42 GMT -6
I am starting to think we should call Arizona and get Greinke.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 24, 2019 18:51:11 GMT -6
I think the Dodgers are about to trade Joc Pederson yo the White Sox for Carlos Rodon. Just me. Some seem to believe the Dodgers are going to trade Verdugo for Realmuto But he is not available. As alot of writers suggest Tucker for Realmuto straight up should have been a done deal. Idk what Lunhows offer is but and I mean but, Realmuto would make this team a hole different animal when it comes to deep batting team. As of today I think Nick Castellanos could be had as a steal. He wants to be traded before Spring Training. I think the Tigers have painted themselves into a corner with him. Rondon>>>>>better for the future of the Whitesox than Pederson Imo. Rodon |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2019 19:15:21 GMT -6
Kluber or Greinke. More money but less prospects. Gets us another ace for 2019 and then have at least a #2-#3 caliber pitcher (if not better) for two more years. Sign McHugh to a 3-year $30 million deal.
2019 Rotation:
Verlander
Kluber
Cole
McHugh
Whitley/James
2020-2021 Rotation:
Kluber
Whitley
McHugh
James
FA/Prospects
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 24, 2019 19:18:19 GMT -6
Rondon>>>>>better for the future of the Whitesox than Pederson Imo. Rodon LMAO |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 24, 2019 19:19:32 GMT -6
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