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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 3, 2019 22:35:36 GMT -6
If they don't reward him, we will lose him. He deserves a good, long-term contract extension. I mean if they don’t, that’s a bad look for the team. Imagine what it looks like to players Crane and Luhnow are trying to bring here. So, not only can owners not make more money than their waiters, they now also have to REWARD their waiters for doing their job. Man, you millennials.  |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 3, 2019 23:23:41 GMT -6
I don't think $25M per is too much for Springer. Considering everything he brings to the table. I'd offer 5/$120M easily Would you rather sign Springer or Cole? Cole everyday |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 3, 2019 23:27:04 GMT -6
Springer's always total with the effort and the organization doesn't have much for OFs that can replace him. Unless we move Correa to LF and shift some guys over He’s a gamer and gives it his all for the team. He deserves to get paid almost as much as Altuve did. Your insane. He is worth between 15 and 17m per and thats that. He would have to be moved off CF. And nothing over 3yrs guaranteed. If you sign him to 5yrs the last 2 better be team options just incase of injurys. You have to be careful with him the i jurys just started to happen this year. So going forward you would have to be careful. And no way you buy his years out peruod ride it to the end then do a deal. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 3, 2019 23:30:25 GMT -6
I don't think $25M per is too much for Springer. Considering everything he brings to the table. I'd offer 5/$120M easily Would you rather sign Springer or Cole? Cole |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 3, 2019 23:30:39 GMT -6
Thats why they have Straw waiting and Tucker and Yordan.
You will have to make a decision on what you wanna do. Is Springer worth keeping over Bregman? What if Correa finally stays healthy? Is he worth more then Correa?
You have to watch Springer these next two years with injurys and batting first to even think about a deal.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 3, 2019 23:34:20 GMT -6
Dean Deetz is scheduled to start pitching in about 2 more weeks. As a member of the 40-man roster, technically he has been invited to camp but just hasn't played yet due to injury. Maybe we will see him pitch a few innings before ST ends. The list of Astros pitchers who are injured (or too 'sore' to play) is getting pretty long: McCullers, McHugh, Smith, Martes, James, Deetz, and I might be missing somebody. Martes has been a steady dose of disappointing for a couple years now. Did he have TJS? Yeah, he had TJS around July or August last year. It's possible he will be starting to pitch again on rehab assignment around September, but there's no way he will pitch for the big league club this year. Having said that he will have all off-season to rehab and might be a force in 2020. I've heard that prior to the surgery, he was viewed by the coaching staff as stubborn and unwilling to listen to coaching suggestions. "Grip it and rip it" was cute at times but Strom and AJ apparently thought he could do better if he tried. Hopefully the time away from the game will give him an opportunity to grow up and start taking advice from people who can help him. A good version of Martes plus the James we saw last year would be a great fireballer combination. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 3, 2019 23:37:59 GMT -6
I have to admit Akeem Bostick has been more impressive in ST than I ever expected him to be. Saw him pitch some minor league games last year and really didn't expect much from him as a big leaguer.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 4, 2019 0:22:34 GMT -6
An interesting question for Hinch would be who he plans to use as emergency/3rd catcher this season.
Typically such a catcher is only needed (maybe once, maybe twice) a season as it assumes both regular catchers have to leave the game due to injury, illness, or ejection.
Last year the Astros had Gattis for this contingency, but I can't think of anyone specifically named for that purpose on this year's team.
Tyler White looks the most like a catcher and I think he had some training at that position a couple years ago, but I don't know that he has continued to receive training at C. Honestly, if White doesn't think he can slim down, he should probably think about developing some catching skills if he wants to remain in MLB for more than a few more years. For now he can play an acceptable 1B but with age he will be less able to do so, but a more stationary position like C could suit him well.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 4, 2019 0:39:47 GMT -6
I don't entirely agree with the statements these players are making, but what they have to say might tell us something about what is coming down the pipe in MLB over the next couple years:
Reddick:
A lot of guys are pissed off. There are a lot of guys who should have jobs who are just hanging there. If it takes another bad strike to change this, then that's what we need to do.
Bregman:
A lot of teams seem fine with losing and getting TV money and making no attempt to sign players. That is bad for the game.
Especially considering that nearly all the major FAs have been signed and Machado/Harper got very good money, I'm not really sure what Reddick and Bregman are complaining about.
Maybe they are just trying to curry favor with fellow union members by toeing the party line.
The guys who should be complaining are the minor leaguers (who often can't afford to train or eat properly) and the guys who don't debut in MLB until they are 25-27 years old (and hence will be 'over the hill' when they are eligible for free agency).
I'm much more concerned about the players who spend 10 years in pro baseball (5 years in minor and 5 in MLB) and earn a pre-tax total of $3M, if that.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 4, 2019 0:49:27 GMT -6
these spring Astros are hitting in a funny way so far in that their AVG and OBP are quite high (~6th among the 30 MLB teams) but SLG is only 25th at .398.
In ST 2018 at the same Florida ballparks, the Astros slugged .422.
Even taking the Arizona-based spring teams out of the equation, that's still very weak hitting.
Maybe that figure is getting watered down by all the lower-level minor leaguer players, but still, I would like to think the organization has more power coming through the pipeline.
Overall the offense for the big league club looks like it should be much improved over last year as so many weak bats have left in favor of stronger ones. Maybe we'll start seeing more of it as Hinch begins sending more minor leaguers over to the minor league camp.
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Post by marshall on Mar 4, 2019 0:52:38 GMT -6
They're making money off of your service. Just like MLB owners do. They’re not putting my face on posters or selling jerseys with my name on it. There aren’t throngs of patrons coming to the restaurant simply because I’m there. There’s a difference. Not really. I go to a Waffle House because of the STAR waitress, not because of the food which I could get at the Waffle House i pass to get there. But if the Owner hadn't bought the land, built the store and staffed it and paid the cooks and the bills to operate it, there'd be no Waffle House to go to so I could see my Star Waitress.
If people would stop trying to ask who deserves more and remember that each is essential to the well being of the other, things would work a lot smoother.
BTW, net worth has partially escalated because of the low interest rates of the last few years. The same income stream in a higher interest rate environment will result in a drastically lower net worth, so be careful using net worth as a substitute for net income.
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Post by marshall on Mar 4, 2019 1:05:06 GMT -6
these spring Astros are hitting in a funny way so far in that their AVG and OBP are quite high (~6th among the 30 MLB teams) but SLG is only 25th at .398. In ST 2018 at the same Florida ballparks, the Astros slugged .422. Even taking the Arizona-based spring teams out of the equation, that's still very weak hitting. Maybe that figure is getting watered down by all the lower-level minor leaguer players, but still, I would like to think the organization has more power coming through the pipeline. Overall the offense for the big league club looks like it should be much improved over last year as so many weak bats have left in favor of stronger ones. Maybe we'll start seeing more of it as Hinch begins sending more minor leaguers over to the minor league camp. I wouldn't worry too mush about the lack of power in ST. The Astros have been focussing on speed and base running a lot this spring and have given their burners more playing time up and down the lineup. The power guys are being held out for various reasons. So it's the types of players getting playing time which have affected this ST vs 2018 ST more than the roster. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 4, 2019 1:18:06 GMT -6
I've noticed a lot more opposite field hitting this spring than we've seen in the past.
Possibly, the hitting coach asked many of the guys to practice going oppo this first week of ST. Maybe the concern was the 2018 team was hitting into the shift too often.
White was criticized last year for pulling the ball too much, and this spring I don't think he's pulled the ball more than once unless perhaps it was a foul ball. Some of the pull hitters were putting up good results last year, though, so I hope that in the regular season they try to spray the ball all over the place rather than always trying to go oppo.
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Post by marshall on Mar 4, 2019 1:18:16 GMT -6
Concerning an emergency Backup catcher, I've often wondered why more attempts haven't been made to utilize pitchers in this role since they rely on flexibility and a strong arm and are often sitting on the bench simply waiting for their next chance to pitch. Perhaps there is some reasoning behind not considering it beyond the mere attitude that pitchers ONLY pitch.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 4, 2019 1:22:57 GMT -6
Concerning an emergency Backup catcher, I've often wondered why more attempts haven't been made to utilize pitchers in this role since they rely on flexibility and a strong arm and are often sitting on the bench simply waiting for their next chance to pitch. Perhaps there is some reasoning behind not considering it beyond the mere attitude that pitchers ONLY pitch. it would be good if there was a way to get relief pitchers to contribute to the team in new ways. Mike Fiers served as a pinch runner in one really weird game. Maybe that is a use for pitchers who are really fast. If a few of the pitchers could get good enough at patrolling LF or RF, it would allow a situation where you have a righty pitcher on the mound and a southpaw in the outfield (or vice versa) and they switch positions within an inning depending on who is at the plate. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 4, 2019 9:06:51 GMT -6
Owners make a lot of money off the names of these players, though. It’s a two-way street. Should the waiter at Cheesecake Factory make as much as the owner of Cheesecake Factory? How much money does the waiter make for the restaurant? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 4, 2019 9:12:21 GMT -6
Should the waiter at Cheesecake Factory make as much as the owner of Cheesecake Factory? How much money does the waiter make for the restaurant? How much financial risk does the waiter face? How much does the waiter spend for the buildings, permits, supplies, equipment, payroll, advertisement, franchise fees, insurance, legal representation, etc etc? |
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Post by Saint on Mar 4, 2019 9:14:36 GMT -6
There needs to be a balance. Owner's should certainly make and deserve a good profit if they take the risks and put a quality product on the field, but players certainly deserve to be properly compensated for their efforts in making the owner profitable.
That being said, the players get to decide their own fate. If they don't think the owners are paying them well enough, they're welcome to go into another line of work. And if the owners can then no longer put out a competitive team out there, they run the risk of losing money.
You should only get what you deserve and earn, not what you think you're entitled to. These players that think they deserve huge contracts and aren't getting them because they don't deserve them. Either adjust your approach, get better, or move on to something else.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 4, 2019 9:17:36 GMT -6
There needs to be a balance. Owner's should certainly make and deserve a good profit if they take the risks and put a quality product on the field, but players certainly deserve to be properly compensated for their efforts in making the owner profitable. Avg salary: $18,000,000 |
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Post by Saint on Mar 4, 2019 9:18:05 GMT -6
How much money does the waiter make for the restaurant? How much financial risk does the waiter face? How much does the waiter spend for the buildings, permits, supplies, equipment, payroll, advertisement, franchise fees, insurance, legal representation, etc etc? A percentage of what they don't make goes into the money that gets shelled out for all those things. Otherwise the owner wouldn't have the money to pay for those things. It's a partnership. One pays with labor and the other with wages. If either side doesn't think the other is paying their fair share (either in quality labor or wages) they're welcome to look for other opportunities. A good owner will compensate their waiters fairly to get quality labor. P.S. I believe they prefer to be called "servers" now. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 4, 2019 9:19:06 GMT -6
How much financial risk does the waiter face? How much does the waiter spend for the buildings, permits, supplies, equipment, payroll, advertisement, franchise fees, insurance, legal representation, etc etc? P.S. I believe they prefer to be called "servers" now. Who gives a shit? |
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Post by Saint on Mar 4, 2019 9:20:01 GMT -6
There needs to be a balance. Owner's should certainly make and deserve a good profit if they take the risks and put a quality product on the field, but players certainly deserve to be properly compensated for their efforts in making the owner profitable. Avg salary: $18,000,000 Don't get me wrong, I think the players are mostly being babies. But, I do think some of the owners could pay more to be putting out better teams. Better quality teams across the board means better quality competition and more interest from fans. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 4, 2019 9:20:46 GMT -6
P.S. I believe they prefer to be called "servers" now. Who gives a shit? Well...the servers would, I assume. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 4, 2019 9:21:24 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong, I think the players are mostly being babies. But, I do think some of the owners could pay more to be putting out better teams. Better quality teams across the board means better quality competition and more interest from fans. Not all businessmen are of equal quality. Some fail. They don't stay in business. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 4, 2019 9:25:55 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong, I think the players are mostly being babies. But, I do think some of the owners could pay more to be putting out better teams. Better quality teams across the board means better quality competition and more interest from fans. Not all businessmen are of equal quality. Some fail. They don't stay in business. And I'm not telling the owners what to do. It's their money. But my personal belief is that you shouldn't own a sports team if you're not trying to win. It's one thing if you need to take a few years to rebuild and refresh, re-brand, etc., but these teams that never really improve and never spend much money...I just don't agree that's what should be done. But again, it's not my money. Everybody is entitled to spend their money and strive to make more money the way they want as long as they aren't breaking the law. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 4, 2019 9:33:29 GMT -6
Blue Jays got Buchholz for only $3 million guaranteed with a possible $6 million total? Man, I'd have liked to see us do that...
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 4, 2019 9:34:50 GMT -6
Well...the servers would, I assume. I don't care about identity politics, and neither should you. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 4, 2019 10:03:08 GMT -6
Blue Jays got Buchholz for only $3 million guaranteed with a possible $6 million total? Man, I'd have liked to see us do that... I think they are staying away from age. Just an opinion |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 4, 2019 10:14:35 GMT -6
I mean if they don’t, that’s a bad look for the team. Imagine what it looks like to players Crane and Luhnow are trying to bring here. So, not only can owners not make more money than their waiters, they now also have to REWARD their waiters for doing their job. Man, you millennials. I never thought owners should make less than waiters. You’ve got to have a hierarchy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 10:16:57 GMT -6
How much money does the waiter make for the restaurant? How much financial risk does the waiter face? How much does the waiter spend for the buildings, permits, supplies, equipment, payroll, advertisement, franchise fees, insurance, legal representation, etc etc? Well stated. So many think that earned money is an entiltlement, and generared by stuff of skittles and unicorns. |
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