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Post by marshall on Nov 23, 2018 5:11:13 GMT -6
I don’t think Josh James is going anywhere. After what James did after being brought up, I guarantee you he isn't going anywhere.  He's not going anywhere else on the cheap. But if the return is sufficient, every player without a no trade clause (and those willing to willing to waive a clause if they have one) are always available, even Trout. |
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Post by marshall on Nov 23, 2018 5:23:58 GMT -6
Goldschmidt grew up a 'Stros fan and I remember reading a vignette somewhere that he would like to play for Houston. He'd like it even more now that the Astros are contenders. I want him for this upcoming season if the prospect cost isn't prohibitive and, realistically, Luhnow should be able to do it without giving up major pieces since Goldschmidt is in the last year of his contract. Knowing the 'Stros need a SP I'm sure AZ will try to bundle ZG along with him. I'm not opposed to landing both depending on the amount of $ headed Houston's way and the extra pieces required for ZG. I'm very glad I'm not a GM. Don't mention any home town discounts, or the green guy gets kind of testy.  I think Hometown discounts pale next to the tax benefits of Houston on about half their income (the Home Games.) I'm sure that doesn't go unmentioned in personnel discussions. |
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Post by marshall on Nov 23, 2018 5:33:50 GMT -6
Noah Syndergaard is reportedly available (or at least possible). People seem down on Greinke for Whitley, but what about Whitley for Syndergaard? How would Whitley for Syndergaard not be a lateral move? It's not a lateral move if you consider them to have equal potential. Three years of Snydergaard or 6 years of Whitley? It's very possible that Whitley will have a similar record by his third year. |
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Post by marshall on Nov 23, 2018 5:39:29 GMT -6
Didn't we have Happ back during the dark days? Yes, Obama was President. Why do you have to get political? It is narrow minded thinking like this that will turn undetermined partisan voters away from the Republican Party. Thanks a lot, Pa. Why would you think that's political? It might be, but more likely a reference to 100 loss seasons. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 7:08:58 GMT -6
Didn't we have Happ back during the dark days? We got him and two prospects in the Roy Oswald trade. As an Astro he went 6 and 15 with a 5.35 era. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 23, 2018 8:44:05 GMT -6
Yes, Obama was President. Why do you have to get political? It is narrow minded thinking like this that will turn undetermined partisan voters away from the Republican Party. Thanks a lot, Pa. Why would you think that's political? It might be, but more likely a reference to 100 loss seasons. Marshall, (shakes my head), I was being facetious....but he didn't take the bait, he is too smart... he was supposed it wasn't political, and I was going to say: So it was Racial then (darker days, Obama) |
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Post by marshall on Nov 23, 2018 10:25:29 GMT -6
Why would you think that's political? It might be, but more likely a reference to 100 loss seasons. Marshall, (shakes my head), I was being facetious....but he didn't take the bait, he is too smart... he was supposed it wasn't political, and I was going to say: So it was Racial then (darker days, Obama) Sorry. I wasn't in on the joke. That's why I struck out teaching math in Jr. High after a brief stint in education. I don't multi-task well around devious kids. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 23, 2018 11:13:09 GMT -6
Happ has a career ERA under 4 and has been even better the past 4 seasons. This isn't an earth-shaker type of SP, but he's a LH who can fill a back-of-the-rotation hole for a year or two and I'd be fine with that provided the price was right. He was bad in Houston in his earlier stint but the whole team was horrid back then. Luhnow is looking for the best ratio of production to money and if he thinks Happ can fill a void (and he can), then I'm good with that.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 23, 2018 11:57:03 GMT -6
Happ has a career ERA under 4 and has been even better the past 4 seasons. This isn't an earth-shaker type of SP, but he's a LH who can fill a back-of-the-rotation hole for a year or two and I'd be fine with that provided the price was right. He was bad in Houston in his earlier stint but the whole team was horrid back then. Luhnow is looking for the best ratio of production to money and if he thinks Happ can fill a void (and he can), then I'm good with that. I think they’re mainly buying a year (or even less) time for Whitley. Happ is okay if they add another bat. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 23, 2018 12:40:47 GMT -6
Happ has a career ERA under 4 and has been even better the past 4 seasons. This isn't an earth-shaker type of SP, but he's a LH who can fill a back-of-the-rotation hole for a year or two and I'd be fine with that provided the price was right. He was bad in Houston in his earlier stint but the whole team was horrid back then. Luhnow is looking for the best ratio of production to money and if he thinks Happ can fill a void (and he can), then I'm good with that. I think they’re mainly buying a year (or even less) time for Whitley. Happ is okay if they add another bat. None of the my memories of Happ in an Astros uniform are good ones. I hope we find a better option. Signing Morton is a good place to start. I had rather put McHugh or James in the rotation that mess with Happ. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 24, 2018 10:24:50 GMT -6
The Syndergaard rumors and the Kikuchi posting has me wondering if it makes more sense to offer up 100 million for Kikuchi or trade Tucker for Syndergaard.
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Post by m240 on Nov 24, 2018 10:26:09 GMT -6
Or perhaps both. That would give us the potential of 4 ace caliber starters and two with control beyond next year.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 24, 2018 11:31:59 GMT -6
I know Jordan Zimmerman has not pitched well in Detroit, and he has a bad contract, but if the Tigers were willing to eat 1/2 of the salary owed, and ask for moderate rated prospects in return, would you be for or against it?
(Always looking for the next Morton)
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Post by batman007 on Nov 24, 2018 11:52:44 GMT -6
We've expressed interest in Happ.... Ugh. What's wrong with Happ? His career numbers aren't that far off from your boy's. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 24, 2018 12:00:07 GMT -6
We've expressed interest in Happ.... Ugh. What's wrong with Happ? His career numbers aren't that far off from your boy's. I think most, myself included, are not high on Happ, because we remember him for how he pitched for the Astros.....But you're right, and if you look at the last 4 seasons, he has been pretty to very good...regardless, still don't want him...if we want to sign an older pitcher to play for the Astros, and sign him to a 3 year deal, I would rather the Astros try to extend Verlander. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 24, 2018 14:09:04 GMT -6
They just need someone decent enough to fill in for LMJ. A decent reliable bat at DH gives the pitching more leeway.
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Post by Saint on Nov 24, 2018 14:29:12 GMT -6
We've expressed interest in Happ.... Ugh. What's wrong with Happ? His career numbers aren't that far off from your boy's. I don't want "my boy" back for the money he is going to take either. Edit: 0 200 IP Seasons (12 Seasons) 3.90 ERA 1.309 WHIP 4.10 FIP 3 200 IP Seasons (7 Seasons) 3.66 ERA 1.250 WHIP 3.72 FIP Those are pretty big differences though, btw. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 24, 2018 14:34:57 GMT -6
What's wrong with Happ? His career numbers aren't that far off from your boy's. I don't want "my boy" back for the money he is going to take either. Which was basically the same point everyone else here made before you grabbed your pom-poms and scolded everyone. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 24, 2018 14:50:37 GMT -6
I don't want "my boy" back for the money he is going to take either. Which was basically the same point everyone else here made before you grabbed your pom-poms and scolded everyone. Don't get him started again.....I realize that losing Keuchel will be a traumatic experience for him but I have seen all the crap about how great he is that I can stand. I have been around to know that 12-11 with an ERA barely under 4 is not something to worry about losing. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 24, 2018 16:32:55 GMT -6
I don't want "my boy" back for the money he is going to take either. Which was basically the same point everyone else here made before you grabbed your pom-poms and scolded everyone. I can't count how many times I said we shouldn't bring him back for what he is going to make. Yall just ignore that. What I argued repeatedly is that it doesn't mean he ISN'T worth that contract to other teams. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 24, 2018 17:08:44 GMT -6
Yankees say they will not pursue Syndergaard at all. No matter what the price or what the fan base says. Price is way higher then Paxton
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 24, 2018 17:11:17 GMT -6
I still dont think we go for him but
According to Ken Rosenthal, the Mets may not be seeking all high-end prospects in a trade deal. It could be in the realm of possibilities that the Astros could still keep highly coveted Forrest Whitley and offer either Josh James or J.B. Bukauskas in the swap. After-all, Syndergaard is only 26 years old and has already proven himself in the major leagues.
Again J.B.BUKOUSKAS, Framber Valdez, Stassi and J.D Davis would be the only offer I would be ok with.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 24, 2018 17:38:37 GMT -6
I still dont think we go for him but According to Ken Rosenthal, the Mets may not be seeking all high-end prospects in a trade deal. It could be in the realm of possibilities that the Astros could still keep highly coveted Forrest Whitley and offer either Josh James or J.B. Bukauskas in the swap. After-all, Syndergaard is only 26 years old and has already proven himself in the major leagues. Again J.B.BUKOUSKAS, Framber Valdez, Stassi and J.D Davis would be the only offer I would be ok with. If we keep Whitley, why the hell not go for Thor? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 24, 2018 17:53:56 GMT -6
I still dont think we go for him but According to Ken Rosenthal, the Mets may not be seeking all high-end prospects in a trade deal. It could be in the realm of possibilities that the Astros could still keep highly coveted Forrest Whitley and offer either Josh James or J.B. Bukauskas in the swap. After-all, Syndergaard is only 26 years old and has already proven himself in the major leagues. Again J.B.BUKOUSKAS, Framber Valdez, Stassi and J.D Davis would be the only offer I would be ok with. If we keep Whitley, why the hell not go for Thor? I wanna know why they would sell him low like that for? Is there something everyone is missing? I was serious about offering J.B., Framber, Stassi, Davis for him to see where they are as value. I would never trade Josh James. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 24, 2018 17:58:12 GMT -6
What's wrong with Happ? His career numbers aren't that far off from your boy's. I don't want "my boy" back for the money he is going to take either. Edit: 0 200 IP Seasons (12 Seasons) 3.90 ERA 1.309 WHIP 4.10 FIP 3 200 IP Seasons (7 Seasons) 3.66 ERA 1.250 WHIP 3.72 FIP Those are pretty big differences though, btw. Over the last three seasons Happ and Keuchel have posted very similar IP, ERA, WHIP and FIP numbers. Happ pitched 518 innings.., Keuchel 518.1. Happ posted a slightly lower ERA over the 3 years and a slightly higher FIP. Happ posted a 1.19+ WHIP.., Keuchel a 1.18+ WHIP. Not enough difference in those numbers to speak of. The thing that scares me about Happ is that he is a flyball pitcher. He gives up more HRs than Keuchel. I don’t know how well that would play at MMP. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 24, 2018 18:55:15 GMT -6
I don't want "my boy" back for the money he is going to take either. Edit: 0 200 IP Seasons (12 Seasons) 3.90 ERA 1.309 WHIP 4.10 FIP 3 200 IP Seasons (7 Seasons) 3.66 ERA 1.250 WHIP 3.72 FIP Those are pretty big differences though, btw. Over the last three seasons Happ and Keuchel have posted very similar IP, ERA, WHIP and FIP numbers. Happ pitched 518 innings.., Keuchel 518.1. Happ posted a slightly lower ERA over the 3 years and a slightly higher FIP. Happ posted a 1.19+ WHIP.., Keuchel a 1.18+ WHIP. Not enough difference in those numbers to speak of. The thing that scares me about Happ is that he is a flyball pitcher. He gives up more HRs than Keuchel. I don’t know how well that would play at MMP. All true, but the body of work and potential ceiling are still big differences, and one of them is consistently among the best (if not (THE best) at weak contact and ground ball rates. Not to mention that one is 30yo and one is 36yo. But again, I'm not saying we should take Keuchel given our current roster. I just don't think Happ is the answer either. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 24, 2018 20:18:57 GMT -6
If we keep Whitley, why the hell not go for Thor? I wanna know why they would sell him low like that for? Is there something everyone is missing? I was serious about offering J.B., Framber, Stassi, Davis for him to see where they are as value. I would never trade Josh James. if the Mets will sell low on Syndergaard, something is wrong with him.......RUN. I also agree on not trading James. I repeat...........we don't want Happ. The main thing Luhnow should be doing regarding pitching is signing Morton. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 24, 2018 22:09:03 GMT -6
I wanna know why they would sell him low like that for? Is there something everyone is missing? I was serious about offering J.B., Framber, Stassi, Davis for him to see where they are as value. I would never trade Josh James. if the Mets will sell low on Syndergaard, something is wrong with him.......RUN. I also agree on not trading James. I repeat...........we don't want Happ. The main thing Luhnow should be doing regarding pitching is signing Morton. I'll just say it Dallas Keuchal has fallen off behind the plate. He is to on again off again. I am hoping and praying he is gone for good. Resign Morton And I wouldnt mind Happ. If anything he can help with the young guys. He would just be a place holder He could be replaced at anytime. I just wanna know if there is something wrong with Thor |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 24, 2018 22:34:35 GMT -6
Lemme ask this.
If you could sign Morton Sp 2yr option on last, Cruz DH 2yr , Happ Sp 2yr option on last, Robertson RP 3yr, Kelly RP 3yr and Dieteich OF 4yr
Trade for Thor, J.T.Realmuto and Goldschmidt
Not give up Whitley and Tucker or Bear
And some how some way I understand it could be a long shot send Yuli with a prospect to Toronto for Cavan Biggio.
How would you feel about that roster?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 24, 2018 22:40:18 GMT -6
Yuli AND a prospect for Cavan Biggio? LMAO.
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