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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 27, 2018 10:44:39 GMT -6
I'm not saying I disagree with you. But you would prefer Thor over Bumgarner? Bumgarner is a proven WS champ and clutch pitcher. Again, not saying I disagree but just curious why you would be against Bumgarner assuming we don't have to give up Tucker or Whitley. Can Bumgarner and Bregman coexist? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 27, 2018 10:57:08 GMT -6
Tucker for Merrifield AND Perez? In a heartbeat. It’s not as awesome as Realmuto and Pollock/Brantley, but it’s half the cost or even less. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 10:57:31 GMT -6
I'm not saying I disagree with you. But you would prefer Thor over Bumgarner? Bumgarner is a proven WS champ and clutch pitcher. Again, not saying I disagree but just curious why you would be against Bumgarner assuming we don't have to give up Tucker or Whitley. Can Bumgarner and Bregman coexist? Do they have an issue I don't know about? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 27, 2018 11:00:56 GMT -6
Can Bumgarner and Bregman coexist? Do they have an issue I don't know about? Bregman is quite demonstrable, and Bumgarner is very anti-flashy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 11:47:42 GMT -6
Do they have an issue I don't know about? Bregman is quite demonstrable, and Bumgarner is very anti-flashy. That is true. For the most part the whole team is pretty demonstrable (not as much as Bregman). |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 27, 2018 12:13:16 GMT -6
I'm not saying I disagree with you. But you would prefer Thor over Bumgarner? Bumgarner is a proven WS champ and clutch pitcher. Again, not saying I disagree but just curious why you would be against Bumgarner assuming we don't have to give up Tucker or Whitley. Can Bumgarner and Bregman coexist? Depending on the asking price, Bumgarner would fit nicely in the rotation between Verlander and Cole if he's healthy. Since we have been quiet except for getting Diaz from the Bluejays, I expect Luhnow to have something to announce pretty soon. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 27, 2018 12:25:35 GMT -6
I assume he's concerned about the mileage on MadBaum's arm Yes and package for a contract player instead of a three years of control player. They used the crap outta madbum |
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Post by marshall on Nov 27, 2018 12:36:05 GMT -6
Straw over Jake all day Cant teach speed Next And you can't always teach anticipation, routing and focus. You're satisfied with getting to the ball and I want it caught and, if needed, returned to the infield. I really don't want a speed guy who can't field. I'm not saying that describes Straw. I just know that speed alone is not enough. He might be an amazing fielder, but all I've heard of is his speed and not his skills. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 27, 2018 12:36:17 GMT -6
Can Bumgarner and Bregman coexist? Depending on the asking price, Bumgarner would fit nicely in the rotation between Verlander and Cole if he's healthy. Since we have been quiet except for getting Diaz from the Bluejays, I expect Luhnow to have something to announce pretty soon. He is only going to be here for 1 yr and they are gonna ask the moon. Seriously think about it can we resign MadBum Verlander and Cole? If you think we can then sure go ahead. But let's look at it like this 2019 Verlander Cole Madbum McHugh James Almost 50m 2020 Mcullers McHugh Peacock Whitley James Your gonna have to try and resign Verlander or Cole or MadBum 20m. 20m. 20m. Or would you rather Trade for Noah Verlander Cole Snydergaard McHugh James 2020 Resign Cole Cole Snydergaard McCullers James Whitley See what Verlander wants if its above 15m let him ride the lightening I'm for option 2 saves more money Could have a value based team on pitching and be able to resign key players on the field |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 27, 2018 12:41:40 GMT -6
Straw over Jake all day Cant teach speed Next And you can't always teach anticipation, routing and focus. You're satisfied with getting to the ball and I want it caught and, if needed, returned to the infield. I really don't want a speed guy who can't field. I'm not saying that describes Straw. I just know that speed alone is not enough. He might be an amazing fielder, but all I've heard of is his speed and not his skills. In the minors Myles Straw was perfect fielding with 1.000 threw the minors according to minorleagues stats. No errors. I would be ok with that roll of the dice |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 27, 2018 12:50:13 GMT -6
Then you you can look at Yuli and Reddick both off the books in 2years that 20+ m saved so if you trade Wright let's say
Noah Snydergaard for Tucker
(Yes it aucks but it's a nice SP)
Paul Goldschmidt for Cional Perez, Corbin Martin and Tyler White
Resign Paul but make his first year his highest to free money co executive years.
See how hard it would take to get J.T. Realmuto. I get it dont over pay but still it shoes up this postion for years.
J.B. bukouskas, Yordan Alvarez as the headliners. Maybe Kemp, Davis and Framber Valdez
The money will be there if you play this market wright
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 27, 2018 12:54:35 GMT -6
Do they have an issue I don't know about? Bregman is quite demonstrable, and Bumgarner is very anti-flashy. Demonstrative. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 27, 2018 13:49:22 GMT -6
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 27, 2018 13:49:40 GMT -6
Can this happen?  ?? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 27, 2018 13:50:47 GMT -6
If it's me I'm trying Framber Valdez and Tony Kemp instead of Kyle Tucker
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 27, 2018 13:53:24 GMT -6
Jeff Passan says the same but they might like Cional Perez better then james
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 27, 2018 13:57:03 GMT -6
Straw over Jake all day Cant teach speed Next And you can't always teach anticipation, routing and focus. You're satisfied with getting to the ball and I want it caught and, if needed, returned to the infield. I really don't want a speed guy who can't field. I'm not saying that describes Straw. I just know that speed alone is not enough. He might be an amazing fielder, but all I've heard of is his speed and not his skills. And Jake is not a reliable base stealer. As with anything, there are tradeoffs. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 27, 2018 13:57:42 GMT -6
Bregman is quite demonstrable, and Bumgarner is very anti-flashy. Demonstrative. I knew it seemed off. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 27, 2018 13:59:37 GMT -6
All I’ve got to say is they better have a plan to both re-sign Springer and add a bat like Brantley or Pollock now. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 27, 2018 14:08:07 GMT -6
Jeff Passan says the same but they might like Cional Perez better then james Offer them Perez, Valdez, Kemp, and Fisher/Reed/ or Davis for Realmuto. Keep Tucker and James out of it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 27, 2018 14:08:59 GMT -6
All I’ve got to say is they better have a plan to both re-sign Springer and add a bat like Brantley or Pollock now. I think I prefer Pollock to Brantley and re-signing Springer should be a top priority. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 27, 2018 14:14:58 GMT -6
All I’ve got to say is they better have a plan to both re-sign Springer and add a bat like Brantley or Pollock now. I'd take McCutchen over either of those guys. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 27, 2018 14:20:46 GMT -6
Derek Dietrich would be mine
But I would go Pollock and still add Dietrich just as insurance
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Post by Saint on Nov 27, 2018 14:23:41 GMT -6
Derek Dietrich would be mine But I would go Pollock and still add Dietrich just as insurance Dietrich has proven that he's not good enough defensively to play anywhere full-time. He's a solid bench player that can fill-in when necessary. We don't need him since we acquired Diaz. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 27, 2018 14:25:58 GMT -6
All I’ve got to say is they better have a plan to both re-sign Springer and add a bat like Brantley or Pollock now. I'd take McCutchen over either of those guys. From looking at the numbers, I don't see much difference. I may agree with you on McCutchen because I think he would provide veteran leadership in the clubhouse and he is still productive. He made just under $15 million in 2018. He would be a nice fit for us. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 27, 2018 14:31:40 GMT -6
I'd take McCutchen over either of those guys. From looking at the numbers, I don't see much difference. I may agree with you on McCutchen because I think he would provide veteran leadership in the clubhouse and he is still productive. He made just under $15 million in 2018. He would be a nice fit for us. McCutchen has shown way better health and consistency than either of them, imo. I don't think any of them would provide better veteran leadership than what we already have. It's not like we're a super young team anymore. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 27, 2018 14:41:21 GMT -6
From looking at the numbers, I don't see much difference. I may agree with you on McCutchen because I think he would provide veteran leadership in the clubhouse and he is still productive. He made just under $15 million in 2018. He would be a nice fit for us. McCutchen has shown way better health and consistency than either of them, imo. I don't think any of them would provide better veteran leadership than what we already have. It's not like we're a super young team anymore. I keep hearing lots of names mentioned in connection to different teams, but, I am not hearing Keuchel or Marwin mentioned at all. Interesting! |
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Post by Saint on Nov 27, 2018 14:47:19 GMT -6
McCutchen has shown way better health and consistency than either of them, imo. I don't think any of them would provide better veteran leadership than what we already have. It's not like we're a super young team anymore. I keep hearing lots of names mentioned in connection to different teams, but, I am not hearing Keuchel or Marwin mentioned at all. Interesting! Yeah nothing much on Harper, Corbin, and Machado yet either. Another slow-starting offseason. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 27, 2018 15:10:43 GMT -6
Prolly picks up during/after the winter meetings next week
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 27, 2018 15:11:28 GMT -6
Re:Keuchel
A lot of his prospective suitors have already made trades/signings to fill his supposed role.
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