|
|
Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2018 15:15:13 GMT -6
Stubbs is already 25 and hit .310 in AAA with 45% caught stealing. If he isn't ready now he'll never be. Absolutely. I also agree that a Stassi/Stubbs platoon at catcher next season would be adequate. Stubbs could catch when JV pitches. I have a feeling that JV and Stassi don’t gee haw. I remember the game last season when it appeared that JV was upset with Stassi and was letting him know about it. Wasn’t long after that game when Luhnow traded for Maldanado. I may be wrong, but I don’t think Stassi caught another game for JV the rest of the year....didn’t catch many more games for anyone. One of the the things I have read about Stubbs is that he gets along with the pitchers well and calls a good game. Stubbs has more potential than Stassi, but Stassi has proven that he is, at worst, a solid backup at a very reasonable price. I keep saying I'd love to get Perez, but catching is not our biggest concern. And I think you're right about Stassi and Verlander, which is weird because his numbers with Stassi are better than they were with Maldonado. All of our starting pitchers' numbers were, if I remember correctly. Verlander was dominant with McCann so going from McCann to Stassi was certainly a big change. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 15:15:25 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but I think Goldschmidt can be obtained for a package that doesn’t include Tucker. No doubt a trade for Realmuto would cost us Tucker. Likely that a trade for Syndergaard would too. Probably. If we were able to get Goldschmidt and move Gurriel to DH that would be pretty damn good. I'd rather see us trade Tucker for a good proven SP (with multiple years of control), sign a veteran LFer like McCutchen and then see if a reasonable trade for Cervelli could be had (or sign Ramos to a reasonable deal). Springer (CF) McCutchen (LF) Altuve (2B) Bregman (3B) Correa (SS) Gurriel (1B) Reddick (RF) White (DH) Cervelli/Ramos (C) Stassi/Stubbs Marisnick Kemp Diaz Verlander Cole Trade SP McHugh James/Whitley That's a championship-caliber team again without completely mortgaging the future. I am not sure why you seem hell bent on getting rid of Tucker. |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2018 15:20:54 GMT -6
Probably. If we were able to get Goldschmidt and move Gurriel to DH that would be pretty damn good. I'd rather see us trade Tucker for a good proven SP (with multiple years of control), sign a veteran LFer like McCutchen and then see if a reasonable trade for Cervelli could be had (or sign Ramos to a reasonable deal). Springer (CF) McCutchen (LF) Altuve (2B) Bregman (3B) Correa (SS) Gurriel (1B) Reddick (RF) White (DH) Cervelli/Ramos (C) Stassi/Stubbs Marisnick Kemp Diaz Verlander Cole Trade SP McHugh James/Whitley That's a championship-caliber team again without completely mortgaging the future. I am not sure why you seem hell bent on getting rid of Tucker. Quality OFers can be had in free agency every year if it becomes a major need, and infielders can be converted to LFers fairly easily as well. Tucker is our 2nd best trade chip if we wanted to trade for a good SP with multiple years of control. It's not that I WANT to trade Tucker, but I DO want to trade for a good starting pitcher without losing Whitley. I don't see us able to do that without giving up Tucker or taking on a big contract like Greinke. If we can, great! But to me, acquiring a proven OBP monster in LF via free agency and a good proven SP via trade, is a better option than overpaying for a mediocre FA pitcher and holding on to an unproven LF prospect. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 15:29:04 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but I think Goldschmidt can be obtained for a package that doesn’t include Tucker. No doubt a trade for Realmuto would cost us Tucker. Likely that a trade for Syndergaard would too. I think we can get Goldschmidt and keep Tucker....A package including White should get him. Soundsl like the Mariners are dead set on getting Syndergaard. I thought the M's were sellers..... |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 15:39:56 GMT -6
I think we can get Goldschmidt and keep Tucker....A package including White should get him. Soundsl like the Mariners are dead set on getting Syndergaard. I thought the M's were sellers..... I did,too. But, one of the hot topics today seems to be the M's getting Syndergaard for Cano and Diaz. I guess they think Syndergaard will replace Paxton in the rotation,but, dealing Diaz makes no sense to me. Getting another starter but dealing away 57 saves in the deal doesn't seem very intelligent to me. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 15:42:44 GMT -6
I am not sure why you seem hell bent on getting rid of Tucker. Quality OFers can be had in free agency every year if it becomes a major need, and infielders can be converted to LFers fairly easily as well. Tucker is our 2nd best trade chip if we wanted to trade for a good SP with multiple years of control. It's not that I WANT to trade Tucker, but I DO want to trade for a good starting pitcher without losing Whitley. I don't see us able to do that without giving up Tucker or taking on a big contract like Greinke. If we can, great! But to me, acquiring a proven OBP monster in LF via free agency and a good proven SP via trade, is a better option than overpaying for a mediocre FA pitcher and holding on to an unproven LF prospect. I see your point about using Tucker to get a starting pitcher and he would probably have to go in a deal for one with multiple years of control. |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2018 15:47:02 GMT -6
Quality OFers can be had in free agency every year if it becomes a major need, and infielders can be converted to LFers fairly easily as well. Tucker is our 2nd best trade chip if we wanted to trade for a good SP with multiple years of control. It's not that I WANT to trade Tucker, but I DO want to trade for a good starting pitcher without losing Whitley. I don't see us able to do that without giving up Tucker or taking on a big contract like Greinke. If we can, great! But to me, acquiring a proven OBP monster in LF via free agency and a good proven SP via trade, is a better option than overpaying for a mediocre FA pitcher and holding on to an unproven LF prospect. I see your point about using Tucker to get a starting pitcher and he would probably have to go in a deal for one with multiple years of control. I'm with you in that Tucker is worth more than a one-year rental. But if Tucker gets you Syndergaard or somebody similar? I think you have to do it given our potential rotation holes after next season. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 15:54:49 GMT -6
I see your point about using Tucker to get a starting pitcher and he would probably have to go in a deal for one with multiple years of control. I'm with you in that Tucker is worth more than a one-year rental. But if Tucker gets you Syndergaard or somebody similar? I think you have to do it given our potential rotation holes after next season. mlb network just said we are the favorites to land Realmuto in a straight up deal for Tucker............I don't make that deal. They even said the Marlins might want James included, too.......I sure as hell would not trade both of them. |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2018 16:10:40 GMT -6
I'm with you in that Tucker is worth more than a one-year rental. But if Tucker gets you Syndergaard or somebody similar? I think you have to do it given our potential rotation holes after next season. mlb network just said we are the favorites to land Realmuto in a straight up deal for Tucker............I don't make that deal. They even said the Marlins might want James included, too.......I sure as hell would not trade both of them. Eh... I personally don't love it, but it certainly gets us a prized catcher for a couple years. We lose a quality prospect but at least we don't lose a high quantity of prospects... |
|
|
|
Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 30, 2018 16:24:55 GMT -6
Billy Hamilton anyone???
Very very good DeF CF who has alittle bit of a bat and has Straw speed
|
|
|
|
Post by thomasj13 on Nov 30, 2018 16:26:55 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but I think Goldschmidt can be obtained for a package that doesn’t include Tucker. No doubt a trade for Realmuto would cost us Tucker. Likely that a trade for Syndergaard would too. Probably. If we were able to get Goldschmidt and move Gurriel to DH that would be pretty damn good. I'd rather see us trade Tucker for a good proven SP (with multiple years of control), sign a veteran LFer like McCutchen and then see if a reasonable trade for Cervelli could be had (or sign Ramos to a reasonable deal). Springer (CF) McCutchen (LF) Altuve (2B) Bregman (3B) Correa (SS) Gurriel (1B) Reddick (RF) White (DH) Cervelli/Ramos (C) Stassi/Stubbs Marisnick Kemp Diaz Verlander Cole Trade SP McHugh James/Whitley That's a championship-caliber team again without completely mortgaging the future. I think Luhnow can get a #3 type pitcher without trading Tucker...I trust Luhnow eye for talent and Strom ability to convert talent into results. Springer (CF) Altuve (2B) Bregman (3B) Correa (SS) Cruz (DH) Gurriel/White (1b) Reddick (RF) Ramos (C) Tucker (LF) Stassi/Stubbs Diaz Straw Kemp Verlander Cole #3 Type Pitcher McHugh James/Whitley |
|
|
|
Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 30, 2018 16:27:15 GMT -6
Avisial Garcia was just released aswell.
I believe you just found a cheap OF .
Astros did have alot of interest in him.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomasj13 on Nov 30, 2018 16:30:08 GMT -6
Avisial Garcia was just released aswell. I believe you just found a cheap OF . Astros did have alot of interest in him. Isn't he a liability in the OF? could be just solely for DH....and if you look at his numbers, he really has one really good year (2017)....the rest of his work is bench fodder... |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 16:32:35 GMT -6
mlb network just said we are the favorites to land Realmuto in a straight up deal for Tucker............I don't make that deal. They even said the Marlins might want James included, too.......I sure as hell would not trade both of them. Eh... I personally don't love it, but it certainly gets us a prized catcher for a couple years. We lose a quality prospect but at least we don't lose a high quantity of prospects... I don't like it, either. We can get Ramos for the same amount of time on a FA deal and keep Tucker. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 16:33:41 GMT -6
Billy Hamilton anyone??? Very very good DeF CF who has alittle bit of a bat and has Straw speed NO.......NO.........NO We have Straw and Jake. We don't need a clone. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 16:35:03 GMT -6
Avisial Garcia was just released aswell. I believe you just found a cheap OF . Astros did have alot of interest in him. We aren't the Rangers.........we don't need this reject. |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2018 16:44:06 GMT -6
Billy Hamilton anyone??? Very very good DeF CF who has alittle bit of a bat and has Straw speed What for? We have Marisnick, Straw, and Kemp... |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2018 16:44:47 GMT -6
Probably. If we were able to get Goldschmidt and move Gurriel to DH that would be pretty damn good. I'd rather see us trade Tucker for a good proven SP (with multiple years of control), sign a veteran LFer like McCutchen and then see if a reasonable trade for Cervelli could be had (or sign Ramos to a reasonable deal). Springer (CF) McCutchen (LF) Altuve (2B) Bregman (3B) Correa (SS) Gurriel (1B) Reddick (RF) White (DH) Cervelli/Ramos (C) Stassi/Stubbs Marisnick Kemp Diaz Verlander Cole Trade SP McHugh James/Whitley That's a championship-caliber team again without completely mortgaging the future. I think Luhnow can get a #3 type pitcher without trading Tucker...I trust Luhnow eye for talent and Strom ability to convert talent into results. Springer (CF) Altuve (2B) Bregman (3B) Correa (SS) Cruz (DH) Gurriel/White (1b) Reddick (RF) Ramos (C) Tucker (LF) Stassi/Stubbs Diaz Straw Kemp Verlander Cole #3 Type Pitcher McHugh James/Whitley I like mine better. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 16:52:44 GMT -6
Free agent starting pitchers:
Patrick Corbin (29 years old, 6.3 WAR)
Dallas Keuchel (31, 3.6)
J.A. Happ (36, 3.2)
Charlie Morton (35, 3.1)
Lance Lynn (32, 2.9)
CC Sabathia (38, 2.5) -- Re-signed with NYY for 1 year (11/7).
Anibal Sanchez (35, 2.4)
Nathan Eovaldi (29, 2.2)
Gio Gonzalez (33, 2.0)
Hyun-Jin Ryu (32, 2.0) -- Accepted qualifying offer from LAD (11/12).
Trevor Cahill (31, 2.0)
Derek Holland (32, 2.0)
Clay Buchholz (34, 1.9)
Wade Miley (32, 1.5)
Matt Harvey (30, 1.4)
Jeremy Hellickson (32, 1.2)
Garrett Richards (32, 1.0)
Tyson Ross (32, 1.0)
Brett Anderson (31, 0.9)
James Shields (37, 0.8)
Jason Hammel (36, 0.8)
Edwin Jackson (35, 0.7)
Adam Wainwright (37, 0.5) -- Re-signed with STL on 1 year (10/11).
Marco Estrada (35, 0.5)
Francisco Liriano (35, 0.3)
Doug Fister (35, 0.3)
Bartolo Colon (46, 0.2)
Yovani Gallardo (33, 0.1)
Jaime Garcia (32, 0.0)
Matt Moore (30, 0.0)
Martin Perez (28, -0.2)
Drew Pomeranz (30, -0.3)
Miguel Gonzalez (35, -0.3)
Chris Tillman (31, -0.4)
Ervin Santana (36, -0.5)
Nate Karns (31, N/A) -- Didn't appear in the Majors in 2018.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't see many on that list that I'd pursue other than re-signing Charlie Morton and going after Eovaldi. We won't pay what Corbin wants and I imagine Keuchel's price is too high.
|
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2018 17:03:40 GMT -6
I'd rather look at Gio Gonzalez and Clay Buchholz as cheaper potential options. Gio was a CY contender as recently as 2017 and has demonstrated a ton of durability. He's the definition of a quality #3-#4 pitcher that could probably be signed to a reasonable 2-3 year deal.
|
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 17:14:34 GMT -6
I'd rather look at Gio Gonzalez and Clay Buchholz as cheaper potential options. Gio was a CY contender as recently as 2017 and has demonstrated a ton of durability. He's the definition of a quality #3-#4 pitcher that could probably be signed to a reasonable 2-3 year deal. i had rather sign Morton than either of those two. |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2018 17:17:48 GMT -6
I'd rather look at Gio Gonzalez and Clay Buchholz as cheaper potential options. Gio was a CY contender as recently as 2017 and has demonstrated a ton of durability. He's the definition of a quality #3-#4 pitcher that could probably be signed to a reasonable 2-3 year deal. i had rather sign Morton than either of those two. I meant in addition to Morton. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 17:19:02 GMT -6
Astros and Red Sox top contenders for Eovaldi according to mlb network
|
|
|
|
Post by bearbryant on Nov 30, 2018 17:20:19 GMT -6
Looks like another season of Will Harris
|
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 17:20:51 GMT -6
i had rather sign Morton than either of those two. I meant in addition to Morton. Ok. as for the other two, it's pretty much a toss up. I have a gut feeling that Luhnow is going to sign Eovaldi. The Ryans may have a hand in this. They also said the Reds "hands are all over Dallas Keuchel". |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Nov 30, 2018 17:23:48 GMT -6
baseball-reference.com projections for the different catchers we've been discussing:
Realmuto:
.277/.335/.450 16 HR 61 RBI
Perez:
.245/.287/.440 23 HR 72 RBI
Grandal:
.237/.326/.447 23 HR 65 RBI
Ramos:
.282/.332/.457 16 HR 63 RBI
All of them are solid-to-great defensively. I think Realmuto and Grandal are capable of more than that but it is pretty consistent with Realmuto's 2016-2017 seasons. Out of the bunch, Perez has been the most consistent with those projected offensive numbers, but he also would come with the weakest OBP.
|
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Nov 30, 2018 17:26:29 GMT -6
baseball-reference.com projections for the different catchers we've been discussing: Realmuto:.277/.335/.450 16 HR 61 RBI Perez:.245/.287/.440 23 HR 72 RBI Grandal:.237/.326/.447 23 HR 65 RBI Ramos:.282/.332/.457 16 HR 63 RBI All of them are solid-to-great defensively. I think Realmuto and Grandal are capable of more than that but it is pretty consistent with Realmuto's 2016-2017 seasons. Out of the bunch, Perez has been the most consistent with those projected offensive numbers, but he also would come with the weakest OBP. instead of giving up Tucker......which we would have to do.......to get Realmuto, sign Ramos. |
|
|
|
Post by thomasj13 on Nov 30, 2018 17:41:04 GMT -6
I am not sure why you seem hell bent on getting rid of Tucker. Quality OFers can be had in free agency every year if it becomes a major need, and infielders can be converted to LFers fairly easily as well. Tucker is our 2nd best trade chip if we wanted to trade for a good SP with multiple years of control. It's not that I WANT to trade Tucker, but I DO want to trade for a good starting pitcher without losing Whitley. I don't see us able to do that without giving up Tucker or taking on a big contract like Greinke. If we can, great! But to me, acquiring a proven OBP monster in LF via free agency and a good proven SP via trade, is a better option than overpaying for a mediocre FA pitcher and holding on to an unproven LF prospect. Tucker has All-Star ability...yes, other Quality OFs are available in FA but they are not cheap and you don't have easily the years of control, given their age, that you would have Tucker.... |
|
|
|
Post by thomasj13 on Nov 30, 2018 17:41:53 GMT -6
baseball-reference.com projections for the different catchers we've been discussing: Realmuto:.277/.335/.450 16 HR 61 RBI Perez:.245/.287/.440 23 HR 72 RBI Grandal:.237/.326/.447 23 HR 65 RBI Ramos:.282/.332/.457 16 HR 63 RBI All of them are solid-to-great defensively. I think Realmuto and Grandal are capable of more than that but it is pretty consistent with Realmuto's 2016-2017 seasons. Out of the bunch, Perez has been the most consistent with those projected offensive numbers, but he also would come with the weakest OBP. instead of giving up Tucker......which we would have to do.......to get Realmuto, sign Ramos. I agree on this wholeheartedly... |
|
|
|
Post by thomasj13 on Nov 30, 2018 17:53:27 GMT -6
baseball-reference.com projections for the different catchers we've been discussing: Realmuto:.277/.335/.450 16 HR 61 RBI Perez:.245/.287/.440 23 HR 72 RBI Grandal:.237/.326/.447 23 HR 65 RBI Ramos:.282/.332/.457 16 HR 63 RBI All of them are solid-to-great defensively. I think Realmuto and Grandal are capable of more than that but it is pretty consistent with Realmuto's 2016-2017 seasons. Out of the bunch, Perez has been the most consistent with those projected offensive numbers, but he also would come with the weakest OBP. instead of giving up Tucker......which we would have to do.......to get Realmuto, sign Ramos. Trust in Tucker....Hope that James and Whitley come through...to balance out the more expensive contracts (Altuve and future Springer, Correa and Bregman) for the next 55 years, Astros will need players like these 3 years to be solid contributors for the team. For the time being, while the payroll it is not as high, do short time contracts on FAs, where you do you have the successors in the future...Now Ramos and Cruz, two years from now Stubbs and Beer. |
|
