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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2018 20:08:34 GMT -6
Boston can’t have nice things. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 22:09:14 GMT -6
Coach would argue with a doorknob explaining why isn't brass.   |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 22:10:35 GMT -6
Show us some evidence that Stassi wouldn't have been just as terrible. Fact is that we didn't have good catching at the end from any of the three. Stassi had a good first half but tanked after the break. He is a good backup but we need a better option for a regular catcher.......trade for Realmuto or sign Ramos to be the main guy until Stubbs is ready. The only evidence I need is that he couldn't have possibly done worse. He could have done worse for one reason.......he can't throw. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 1, 2018 7:41:53 GMT -6
The only evidence I need is that he couldn't have possibly done worse. He could have done worse for one reason.......he can't throw. Stassi definitely is not in the Maldonado arm strength level....Without looking at defensive stats I would think he was about average.....I do remember he was complimented for his framing skills.... What I am mainly afraid of Maldonado on is his ability to block the plate...I can't remember a player being so bad defensively in a playoff series....I don't know if that was just a bad stretch of games for him, or a more of a sign of things to come... I think most of us would want Realmuto on the Astros; however, what could possibly be the Marlins' asking price???..If the Marlins are giving up such a great catcher, you know Stubbs is going to be in their asking price, and probably he will be just the #3 rated prospect asked out of the package... Realmuto is going to be an expensive get....so begs the question, does it make more sense to give up some top rated prospects for him or sign a veteran to a 2 year deal and see Stubbs as the future at the position....and have Stassi as backup catcher for the meantime. |
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Post by sempersmom on Nov 1, 2018 8:13:57 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Nov 1, 2018 8:14:10 GMT -6
The only evidence I need is that he couldn't have possibly done worse. He could have done worse for one reason.......he can't throw. He was right at league average last year. That's hardly "can't throw" caliber. Besides, there is a lot more to being a catcher than throwing out baserunners. That's what you don't seem to get. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 1, 2018 8:29:36 GMT -6
2017 was lucky or 2018 was unlucky depending how you look at it 2017 was just the Astros year. Seems like every year there is a team for which everything just clicks that year....multiple players having career years at the same time; majority of the team stays healthy pretty much all year; minor league player(s) who you never expected would contribute are called up and do contribute, etc. 2018 was just Boston’s year. Many are saying the Red Sox could be one of the best teams of all time based on the having “their year” in 2018. Who knows? They may not even make the playoffs in 2019. That’s just baseball. Gotta love it. Best game ever. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 1, 2018 8:36:25 GMT -6
What concerns me about Stassi is that it seems like the league figured him out and so far he has not adjusted back. It is hard to place value on his offense this year until he does so as we sit here today I do not feel as if we have a major league caliber catcher on our roster. If Stassi makes a comeback and hits somewhere close to a 700+ ops then great but I for one do not want to bet the farm on that happening. A more prudent approach would be to sign a veteran in the off season and try to trade for another.
As I look at Realmuto I have to reconcile in my own mind that to get him it would take a package of Alvarez, two or our top 15 prospective pitchers (not named Whitley or Bukauskus), and either Stubbs or Stassi. That is a steep price but one that I would be willing to pay. Making this trade would stop us from getting a pitcher from a trade as this would most likely be the only trade that we could make this year.
If we assume the worst case scenario and both Morton and Keuchel leave then signing Eovaldi and spending 60 million would seem to me to be a wise investment. I think that we can do for him what we did for Morton. Then sign Cutch and we are done.
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 1, 2018 9:33:12 GMT -6
What concerns me about Stassi is that it seems like the league figured him out and so far he has not adjusted back. It is hard to place value on his offense this year until he does so as we sit here today I do not feel as if we have a major league caliber catcher on our roster. If Stassi makes a comeback and hits somewhere close to a 700+ ops then great but I for one do not want to bet the farm on that happening. A more prudent approach would be to sign a veteran in the off season and try to trade for another. As I look at Realmuto I have to reconcile in my own mind that to get him it would take a package of Alvarez, two or our top 15 prospective pitchers (not named Whitley or Bukauskus), and either Stubbs or Stassi. That is a steep price but one that I would be willing to pay. Making this trade would stop us from getting a pitcher from a trade as this would most likely be the only trade that we could make this year. If we assume the worst case scenario and both Morton and Keuchel leave then signing Eovaldi and spending 60 million would seem to me to be a wise investment. I think that we can do for him what we did for Morton. Then sign Cutch and we are done. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 1, 2018 9:36:38 GMT -6
Boston can’t have nice things. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 1, 2018 9:37:39 GMT -6
2017 was lucky or 2018 was unlucky depending how you look at it 2017 was just the Astros year. Seems like every year there is a team for which everything just clicks that year....multiple players having career years at the same time; majority of the team stays healthy pretty much all year; minor league player(s) who you never expected would contribute are called up and do contribute, etc. 2018 was just Boston’s year. Many are saying the Red Sox could be one of the best teams of all time based on the having “their year” in 2018. Who knows? They may not even make the playoffs in 2019. That’s just baseball. Gotta love it. Best game ever. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 1, 2018 9:59:04 GMT -6
2017 was just the Astros year. Seems like every year there is a team for which everything just clicks that year....multiple players having career years at the same time; majority of the team stays healthy pretty much all year; minor league player(s) who you never expected would contribute are called up and do contribute, etc. 2018 was just Boston’s year. Many are saying the Red Sox could be one of the best teams of all time based on the having “their year” in 2018. Who knows? They may not even make the playoffs in 2019. That’s just baseball. Gotta love it. Best game ever. I think the Astros will be better offensively in 2019. I think Luhnow does acquire a veteran bat and offensively better catcher. Plus 2019 will be - Year of the Tucker... With the likely departure of Keuchel and maybe Morton, the Astros will take a step back in pitching..Verlander and Cole were absolutely dominant in 2018, but likely there will be some regression in 2019....And probably Luhnow/Hinch rest them more. I think Luhnow gets another diamond in rough type pitcher like he did with Morton years back...Josh James solidifies a spot in the rotation, but regardless, the Astros 2019 regular season rotation will not put up the same stats as they did in 2018... Maybe Luhnow adds another good arm to the pen... Therefore, the Astros will be 2019+ offensively, 2019- starting pitching, 2019? bullpen...I don't have a guess defensively will they be +,-,? I don't think the Astros will win 100 games in 2019...but with the right moves and players like Tucker living up to the hype, then they could be a better 2019 playoffs team.... |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 1, 2018 10:27:16 GMT -6
Option declined on Logan Morrison. What do people think about him as a potential low risk/high reward DH/1B signing? He could probably be signed for a very small deal coming off a horrible year, but only one year removed from: 38 HR 85 RBI 133 OPS+
It's just hard to tell if last year was a fluke or the beginning of a decline |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 1, 2018 10:32:27 GMT -6
I totally agree with that I think the Astros will be better offensively in 2019. I think Luhnow does acquire a veteran bat and offensively better catcher. Plus 2019 will be - Year of the Tucker... With the likely departure of Keuchel and maybe Morton, the Astros will take a step back in pitching..Verlander and Cole were absolutely dominant in 2018, but likely there will be some regression in 2019....And probably Luhnow/Hinch rest them more. I think Luhnow gets another diamond in rough type pitcher like he did with Morton years back...Josh James solidifies a spot in the rotation, but regardless, the Astros 2019 regular season rotation will not put up the same stats as they did in 2018... Maybe Luhnow adds another good arm to the pen... Therefore, the Astros will be 2019+ offensively, 2019- starting pitching, 2019? bullpen...I don't have a guess defensively will they be +,-,? I don't think the Astros will win 100 games in 2019...but with the right moves and players like Tucker living up to the hype, then they could be a better 2019 playoffs team.... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 1, 2018 11:13:35 GMT -6
He could have done worse for one reason.......he can't throw. He was right at league average last year. That's hardly "can't throw" caliber. Besides, there is a lot more to being a catcher than throwing out baserunners. That's what you don't seem to get. Oh I get it. I know exactly what makes up a good catcher....having the confidence of his pitcher is one very important attribute......one that Stassi has yet to acquire. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 1, 2018 11:31:51 GMT -6
What concerns me about Stassi is that it seems like the league figured him out and so far he has not adjusted back. It is hard to place value on his offense this year until he does so as we sit here today I do not feel as if we have a major league caliber catcher on our roster. If Stassi makes a comeback and hits somewhere close to a 700+ ops then great but I for one do not want to bet the farm on that happening. A more prudent approach would be to sign a veteran in the off season and try to trade for another. As I look at Realmuto I have to reconcile in my own mind that to get him it would take a package of Alvarez, two or our top 15 prospective pitchers (not named Whitley or Bukauskus), and either Stubbs or Stassi. That is a steep price but one that I would be willing to pay. Making this trade would stop us from getting a pitcher from a trade as this would most likely be the only trade that we could make this year. If we assume the worst case scenario and both Morton and Keuchel leave then signing Eovaldi and spending 60 million would seem to me to be a wise investment. I think that we can do for him what we did for Morton. Then sign Cutch and we are done. It all depends on what else we can do. We need more production from DH, LF, 1B, and we need at least one veteran solid SP, imo. If you can upgrade those other areas well, I think it's fine to give Stassi/Stubbs a chance. Boston won with crap-hitting catchers. Offense from a catcher isn't vital. That being said, we were willing to go with catchers that couldn't hit already, so if Stassi has shown potential to hit (which he has) why not giv ehim and Stubbs a chance if you're improving in other areas. If you don't think you can improve in other areas enough, then go for a veteran catcher. I think giving up a ton of prospects for Realmuto is a poor idea. Sign a FA like Ramos. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 1, 2018 11:34:13 GMT -6
Option declined on Logan Morrison. What do people think about him as a potential low risk/high reward DH/1B signing? He could probably be signed for a very small deal coming off a horrible year, but only one year removed from: 38 HR 85 RBI 133 OPS+
It's just hard to tell if last year was a fluke or the beginning of a declineIt all depends on cost. Paying a ton for a DH at 38 is scary. Especially if you're going to need to spend money elsewhere. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 1, 2018 11:34:53 GMT -6
He was right at league average last year. That's hardly "can't throw" caliber. Besides, there is a lot more to being a catcher than throwing out baserunners. That's what you don't seem to get. Oh I get it. I know exactly what makes up a good catcher....having the confidence of his pitcher is one very important attribute......one that Stassi has yet to acquire. Well I'm sure the pitchers had a ton of confidence in Maldonado during the ALCS.... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 1, 2018 12:48:04 GMT -6
Boston can’t have nice things. It’s the city that birthed Whitey Bulger and recently hurled the n-word to Adam Jones at Fenway. It has its not so classy moments. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 1, 2018 13:46:10 GMT -6
Oh I get it. I know exactly what makes up a good catcher....having the confidence of his pitcher is one very important attribute......one that Stassi has yet to acquire. Well I'm sure the pitchers had a ton of confidence in Maldonado during the ALCS.... No way we can answer that, but, we do know they had very little confidence in Stassi during the regular season......especially Verlander. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 1, 2018 13:47:12 GMT -6
Option declined on Logan Morrison. What do people think about him as a potential low risk/high reward DH/1B signing? He could probably be signed for a very small deal coming off a horrible year, but only one year removed from: 38 HR 85 RBI 133 OPS+
It's just hard to tell if last year was a fluke or the beginning of a declineI'd take a shot on Nelson Cruz on a reasonable one-year deal. At his age, demanding two years is a stretch |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 1, 2018 14:05:10 GMT -6
mlb.com thinks Tampa Bay, Houston, Seattle & Minnesota are the likely destinations for Cruz. A 2-year deal for someone who'll be 38 is risky though. I've always liked Morrison as a good fit with our lineup
It's just hard to tell if last year was a fluke or the beginning of a decline I'd take a shot on Nelson Cruz on a reasonable one-year deal. At his age, demanding two years is a stretch I would rather him take a 1 year deal, but he hit .249/.352/.509 last year...37 HRs...so he can ask for a 2 year deal and some team will pay him for it...2 year/$30M deal is probably close to what he will ask....I would rather sign him to a 1 year, $18M (basically the QO amount). |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 1, 2018 14:07:29 GMT -6
I'd take a shot on Nelson Cruz on a reasonable one-year deal. At his age, demanding two years is a stretch I would rather him take a 1 year deal, but he hit .249/.352/.509 last year...37 HRs...so he can ask for a 2 year deal and some team will pay him for it...2 year/$30M deal is probably close to what he will ask....I would rather sign him to a 1 year, $18M (basically the QO amount). |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 1, 2018 14:15:33 GMT -6
I would rather him take a 1 year deal, but he hit .249/.352/.509 last year...37 HRs...so he can ask for a 2 year deal and some team will pay him for it...2 year/$30M deal is probably close to what he will ask....I would rather sign him to a 1 year, $18M (basically the QO amount). They should...if they do, then I think it greatly decreases the chances offer him a deal. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 1, 2018 14:56:24 GMT -6
I'd take a shot on Nelson Cruz on a reasonable one-year deal. At his age, demanding two years is a stretch I would rather him take a 1 year deal, but he hit .249/.352/.509 last year...37 HRs...so he can ask for a 2 year deal and some team will pay him for it...2 year/$30M deal is probably close to what he will ask....I would rather sign him to a 1 year, $18M (basically the QO amount). I don't think I'd give him more than $18 million on a one-year deal. If he gets offered two by another team, let them have him. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 1, 2018 15:22:53 GMT -6
Well I'm sure the pitchers had a ton of confidence in Maldonado during the ALCS.... No way we can answer that, but, we do know they had very little confidence in Stassi during the regular season......especially Verlander. Well I've never read an article that said that and I'm not friends with the Astros players the way you are, apparently. All I can tell you is that Verlander has an ERA of 2.88 when Stassi catches him and an ERA of 3.49 when Maldonado does. So if he has a problem with Stassi, that problem is bringing him more success. *shrug* And Cole: Stassi: 2.61 Maldonado: 3.75 And Morton: Stassi: 3.16 Maldonado: 4.01 And Keuchel: Stassi: 3.31 Maldonado: 3.60 Obviously a catcher shouldn't receive all credit or blame for how a pitcher a does, but those are some pretty telling numbers from our main starters. But hey, Maldonado sure throws out runners super good! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 1, 2018 15:32:08 GMT -6
No way we can answer that, but, we do know they had very little confidence in Stassi during the regular season......especially Verlander. Well I've never read an article that said that and I'm not friends with the Astros players the way you are, apparently. All I can tell you is that Verlander has an ERA of 2.88 when Stassi catches him and an ERA of 3.49 when Maldonado does. So if he has a problem with Stassi, that problem is bringing him more success. *shrug* And Cole: Stassi: 2.61 Maldonado: 3.75 And Morton: Stassi: 3.16 Maldonado: 4.01 And Keuchel: Stassi: 3.31 Maldonado: 3.60 Obviously a catcher shouldn't receive all credit or blame for how a pitcher a does, but those are some pretty telling numbers from our main starters. But hey, Maldonado sure throws out runners super good! All of that looks nice, but, you go ask the pitchers had they rather throw to Stassi or Maldonado and I promise you Maldonado leads the voting. Frankly, I don't want either of them on next year's team. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 1, 2018 15:37:58 GMT -6
Well I've never read an article that said that and I'm not friends with the Astros players the way you are, apparently. All I can tell you is that Verlander has an ERA of 2.88 when Stassi catches him and an ERA of 3.49 when Maldonado does. So if he has a problem with Stassi, that problem is bringing him more success. *shrug* And Cole: Stassi: 2.61 Maldonado: 3.75 And Morton: Stassi: 3.16 Maldonado: 4.01 And Keuchel: Stassi: 3.31 Maldonado: 3.60 Obviously a catcher shouldn't receive all credit or blame for how a pitcher a does, but those are some pretty telling numbers from our main starters. But hey, Maldonado sure throws out runners super good! All of that looks nice, but, you go ask the pitchers had they rather throw to Stassi or Maldonado and I promise you Maldonado leads the voting. Frankly, I don't want either of them on next year's team. But you call most of the players dumbasses, so what does it matter what they think? Results matter. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 1, 2018 16:52:01 GMT -6
All of that looks nice, but, you go ask the pitchers had they rather throw to Stassi or Maldonado and I promise you Maldonado leads the voting. Frankly, I don't want either of them on next year's team. But you call most of the players dumbasses, so what does it matter what they think? Results matter. many players make dumb decisions at times. I am sorry that you are too dumb to realize that. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 1, 2018 18:10:29 GMT -6
But you call most of the players dumbasses, so what does it matter what they think? Results matter. many players make dumb decisions at times. I am sorry that you are too dumb to realize that. 🙄 |
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