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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 9:50:38 GMT -6
Marwin and Keuchel will go where the money is. They have championships already and this is their best chance to get as large a contract as possible. They have no reason to stay here if the money isn't there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 10:41:49 GMT -6
I just can't get past how lazy Marwin looked during the 5 months that he sucked ass this season. No way in hell I'd pay him much at all. Let him walk. I do realize I'm probably alone in this thinking, just like I was alone when I pointed out at the beginning of the year that he wouldn't repeat his 2017 fluke season. I am pretty much thinking the same. I think he was a valuable insurance policy due to his level of position versatility with a competent bat. But at what point does the cost of insurance become prohibitive? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2018 10:46:40 GMT -6
I just can't get past how lazy Marwin looked during the 5 months that he sucked ass this season. No way in hell I'd pay him much at all. Let him walk. I do realize I'm probably alone in this thinking, just like I was alone when I pointed out at the beginning of the year that he wouldn't repeat his 2017 fluke season. I'm pretty sure you weren't alone pointing out his fluke season. I know I did for sure, and I believe Bear and some others did too. He was never going to sustain what he did in 2017 just like Reddick wasn't going to either. But, I think they both have the potential to be better than they were in 2018. Potential is fine and dandy, but there’s a downside to operating on hope. Gattis is potentially a 40-50 homer guy. Keuchel potentially can recreate his 2015. Jake Marisnick can potentially bat .250. If you want more of a sure thing, you’ve got to have some skin in the game. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 11:02:51 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure you weren't alone pointing out his fluke season. I know I did for sure, and I believe Bear and some others did too. He was never going to sustain what he did in 2017 just like Reddick wasn't going to either. But, I think they both have the potential to be better than they were in 2018. Potential is fine and dandy, but there’s a downside to operating on hope. Gattis is potentially a 40-50 homer guy. Keuchel potentially can recreate his 2015. Jake Marisnick can potentially bat .250. If you want more of a sure thing, you’ve got to have some skin in the game. Right... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 11:16:57 GMT -6
I just can't get past how lazy Marwin looked during the 5 months that he sucked ass this season. No way in hell I'd pay him much at all. Let him walk. I do realize I'm probably alone in this thinking, just like I was alone when I pointed out at the beginning of the year that he wouldn't repeat his 2017 fluke season. I'm pretty sure you weren't alone pointing out his fluke season. I know I did for sure, and I believe Bear and some others did too. He was never going to sustain what he did in 2017 just like Reddick wasn't going to either. But, I think they both have the potential to be better than they were in 2018. You were also the one trying to make Stassi sound like a clone of Pudge Rodriguez.  Many players have a "career year" at some point and can't be expected to maintain that level over the long haul. Marwin had his in 2017. Keuchel had his in 2015. Keuchel expects to be paid for what he did in 2015.....it ain't gonna happen and shouldn't. Keuchel wants to be paid like a #1 starter when he is barely producing like a #3. He and Boras are going to be disapointed. As for Marwin, he is worth a three year deal in the area of $25-30 milion. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 31, 2018 11:24:09 GMT -6
Since everyone is calling for a new DH, does that mean you don't want White to stay on the team? Yuli isn't going anywhere with his contract, so if you hire a FT DH, Yuli stays at 1B and Shark either goes to Austin or sits on the bench.
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 11:24:47 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure you weren't alone pointing out his fluke season. I know I did for sure, and I believe Bear and some others did too. He was never going to sustain what he did in 2017 just like Reddick wasn't going to either. But, I think they both have the potential to be better than they were in 2018. You were also the one trying to make Stassi sound like a clone of Pudge Rodriguez. Many players have a "career year" at some point and can't be expected to maintain that level over the long haul. Marwin had his in 2017. Keuchel had his in 2015. Keuchel expects to be paid for what he did in 2015.....it ain't gonna happen and shouldn't. Keuchel wants to be paid like a #1 starter when he is barely producing like a #3. He and Boras are going to be disapointed. As for Marwin, he is worth a three year deal in the area of $25-30 milion. What does Keuchel's contract have to do with Marwin's 2017 production? What does Stassi have to do with anything in this topic? Move on from Stassi, son. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 11:25:52 GMT -6
Since everyone is calling for a new DH, does that mean you don't want White to stay on the team? Yuli isn't going anywhere with his contract, so if you hire a FT DH, Yuli stays at 1B and Shark either goes to Austin or sits on the bench. I don't necessarily want a new DH, but I don't think we want to rely on White completely yet. Somebody like Carlos Gonzalez can DH or help cover LF (two of our big question marks going into next year) for a reasonable price. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 11:26:46 GMT -6
You were also the one trying to make Stassi sound like a clone of Pudge Rodriguez. Many players have a "career year" at some point and can't be expected to maintain that level over the long haul. Marwin had his in 2017. Keuchel had his in 2015. Keuchel expects to be paid for what he did in 2015.....it ain't gonna happen and shouldn't. Keuchel wants to be paid like a #1 starter when he is barely producing like a #3. He and Boras are going to be disapointed. As for Marwin, he is worth a three year deal in the area of $25-30 milion. What does Keuchel's contract have to do with Marwin's 2017 production? What does Stassi have to do with anything in this topic? Move on from Stassi, son. Just to serve as a reminder to some of your past evaluations. You were wrong about Stassi and you would be wrong to pick Cargo over Marwin. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 11:29:05 GMT -6
What does Keuchel's contract have to do with Marwin's 2017 production? What does Stassi have to do with anything in this topic? Move on from Stassi, son. Just to serve as a reminder to some of your past evaluations. You were wrong about Stassi and you would be wrong to pick Cargo over Marwin. Jebus, kid. Grow up. You really want to re-hash what everybody has been right or wrong about in every argument on this board? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 31, 2018 12:02:35 GMT -6
Just to serve as a reminder to some of your past evaluations. You were wrong about Stassi and you would be wrong to pick Cargo over Marwin. Jebus, kid. He's 70. LMAO. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 12:08:34 GMT -6
Oldest 12yo I've ever talked to. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 12:40:30 GMT -6
Oldest 12yo I've ever talked to. And you are the most arrogant turd I've ever spoken to. You want to keep making all of these proposals about players we need to add or subtract, but, you want to ignore anything from the past unless it supports your position. And, Bortaz is wrong........I am not yet 70, but, will be next year. You come across as a spoiled brat who can't stand to be told he is wrong. Your argument as to how Carlos Gonzalez is a better option than Marwin makes no sense......period. Marwin is a switch hitter who plays all 4 infield positions plus the outfield. Carlos is an average to below average outfielder who could only play LF on rare occasions plus DH. Marwin could also DH at time in addition to covering all of the defensive positions I mentioned. Marwin would be more expensive than Carlos,but, he's worth more. If you are too dense to see that, you are the 12 year old here, junior. Sorry if I hurt your widdle feewins by bringing up the stupid ideas you had about personnel this year. It wasn't me who rated a guy who didn't make a playoff roster higher than the two that did. Now, you think that should be ignored while you propose to replace who is probably the top utility player in the game with a guy who is half his equal. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Oct 31, 2018 12:45:42 GMT -6
Marwin could have very well priced his way out of Houston.
Why argue???
Gerardo Parra would be a great OF option to bring in since his ties to the Coaching staff.
Also I think Daniel Murphy would be cheaper.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 31, 2018 12:59:55 GMT -6
Oldest 12yo I've ever talked to. And, Bortaz is wrong........I am not yet 70, but, will be next year. OMG |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 13:41:07 GMT -6
And, Bortaz is wrong........I am not yet 70, but, will be next year. OMG Coach would argue with a doorknob explaining why isn't brass.  |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 14:01:59 GMT -6
Oldest 12yo I've ever talked to. And you are the most arrogant turd I've ever spoken to. You want to keep making all of these proposals about players we need to add or subtract, but, you want to ignore anything from the past unless it supports your position. And, Bortaz is wrong........I am not yet 70, but, will be next year. You come across as a spoiled brat who can't stand to be told he is wrong. Your argument as to how Carlos Gonzalez is a better option than Marwin makes no sense......period. Marwin is a switch hitter who plays all 4 infield positions plus the outfield. Carlos is an average to below average outfielder who could only play LF on rare occasions plus DH. Marwin could also DH at time in addition to covering all of the defensive positions I mentioned. Marwin would be more expensive than Carlos,but, he's worth more. If you are too dense to see that, you are the 12 year old here, junior. Sorry if I hurt your widdle feewins by bringing up the stupid ideas you had about personnel this year. It wasn't me who rated a guy who didn't make a playoff roster higher than the two that did. Now, you think that should be ignored while you propose to replace who is probably the top utility player in the game with a guy who is half his equal. Yeah and your boy absolutely killed it in the postseason for us. Good call on that. You want a cookie for promoting a catcher who hit .105 and allowed how many passed balls? Great work there, genius. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 14:42:20 GMT -6
And, Bortaz is wrong........I am not yet 70, but, will be next year. OMG |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 14:47:49 GMT -6
And you are the most arrogant turd I've ever spoken to. You want to keep making all of these proposals about players we need to add or subtract, but, you want to ignore anything from the past unless it supports your position. And, Bortaz is wrong........I am not yet 70, but, will be next year. You come across as a spoiled brat who can't stand to be told he is wrong. Your argument as to how Carlos Gonzalez is a better option than Marwin makes no sense......period. Marwin is a switch hitter who plays all 4 infield positions plus the outfield. Carlos is an average to below average outfielder who could only play LF on rare occasions plus DH. Marwin could also DH at time in addition to covering all of the defensive positions I mentioned. Marwin would be more expensive than Carlos,but, he's worth more. If you are too dense to see that, you are the 12 year old here, junior. Sorry if I hurt your widdle feewins by bringing up the stupid ideas you had about personnel this year. It wasn't me who rated a guy who didn't make a playoff roster higher than the two that did. Now, you think that should be ignored while you propose to replace who is probably the top utility player in the game with a guy who is half his equal. Yeah and your boy absolutely killed it in the postseason for us. Good call on that. You want a cookie for promoting a catcher who hit .105 and allowed how many passed balls? Great work there, genius. I have never said Maldonado was good in the post season.......he was terrible. You announced as soon as Luhnow traded for him that it was a bad move and Maldonado would be left off the playoff roster. I told you he was not brought here to be left off and that Stassi would be left off if McCann was healthy. I think we know who was right. As it turned out, Maldonado hurt us defensively, but, I doubt if Stassi would have done better plus teams would have ran on him at will.l As bad as he was, Maldonado is still a finalist for another gold glove. If we bring in another catcher, Stassi is a candidate to be released or be forced to sign a minor league deal to stay in the organization. and NO, I am not advocating now for Maldonado to stay. I would sign a free agent or....preferably....trade for Realmuto like I wanted to do before the deadline. If Stubbs is ready, he can be backup to whoever we bring in. I had rather not have Maldonado, McCann, or Stassi here. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 31, 2018 15:07:47 GMT -6
I just can't get past how lazy Marwin looked during the 5 months that he sucked ass this season. No way in hell I'd pay him much at all. Let him walk. I do realize I'm probably alone in this thinking, just like I was alone when I pointed out at the beginning of the year that he wouldn't repeat his 2017 fluke season. I'm pretty sure you weren't alone pointing out his fluke season. I know I did for sure, and I believe Bear and some others did too. He was never going to sustain what he did in 2017 just like Reddick wasn't going to either. But, I think they both have the potential to be better than they were in 2018. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 15:15:13 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure you weren't alone pointing out his fluke season. I know I did for sure, and I believe Bear and some others did too. He was never going to sustain what he did in 2017 just like Reddick wasn't going to either. But, I think they both have the potential to be better than they were in 2018. The only one who improved over 2017 was Bregman. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2018 15:24:39 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure you weren't alone pointing out his fluke season. I know I did for sure, and I believe Bear and some others did too. He was never going to sustain what he did in 2017 just like Reddick wasn't going to either. But, I think they both have the potential to be better than they were in 2018. Not our boy Breggers. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2018 15:26:10 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure you weren't alone pointing out his fluke season. I know I did for sure, and I believe Bear and some others did too. He was never going to sustain what he did in 2017 just like Reddick wasn't going to either. But, I think they both have the potential to be better than they were in 2018. Man, regress is an understatement. Springer, Altuve, Correa, Marwin, Reddick, McCann, and possibly Gurriel all went south. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 31, 2018 15:31:38 GMT -6
2017 was lucky or 2018 was unlucky depending how you look at it
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 15:43:06 GMT -6
Yeah and your boy absolutely killed it in the postseason for us. Good call on that. You want a cookie for promoting a catcher who hit .105 and allowed how many passed balls? Great work there, genius. I have never said Maldonado was good in the post season.......he was terrible. You announced as soon as Luhnow traded for him that it was a bad move and Maldonado would be left off the playoff roster. I told you he was not brought here to be left off and that Stassi would be left off if McCann was healthy. I think we know who was right. As it turned out, Maldonado hurt us defensively, but, I doubt if Stassi would have done better plus teams would have ran on him at will.l As bad as he was, Maldonado is still a finalist for another gold glove. If we bring in another catcher, Stassi is a candidate to be released or be forced to sign a minor league deal to stay in the organization. and NO, I am not advocating now for Maldonado to stay. I would sign a free agent or....preferably....trade for Realmuto like I wanted to do before the deadline. If Stubbs is ready, he can be backup to whoever we bring in. I had rather not have Maldonado, McCann, or Stassi here. He should have been left off, as his performance showed. Stassi was the best all-around catcher we had during the season, and the "superior" catchers were utterly horrific in the postseason. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 15:45:22 GMT -6
2017 was lucky or 2018 was unlucky depending how you look at it Somewhere in between. You don't win the WS without a little luck going your way. In 2019 I expect bounce back seasons from some of the offensive players, and I expect some decline/regression from our starting pitching. Verlander is awesome, but anybody expecting a duplicate performance next year needs to manage their expectations. I think he'll still be good, but top-3 CY good? Probably not. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 16:09:58 GMT -6
I have never said Maldonado was good in the post season.......he was terrible. You announced as soon as Luhnow traded for him that it was a bad move and Maldonado would be left off the playoff roster. I told you he was not brought here to be left off and that Stassi would be left off if McCann was healthy. I think we know who was right. As it turned out, Maldonado hurt us defensively, but, I doubt if Stassi would have done better plus teams would have ran on him at will.l As bad as he was, Maldonado is still a finalist for another gold glove. If we bring in another catcher, Stassi is a candidate to be released or be forced to sign a minor league deal to stay in the organization. and NO, I am not advocating now for Maldonado to stay. I would sign a free agent or....preferably....trade for Realmuto like I wanted to do before the deadline. If Stubbs is ready, he can be backup to whoever we bring in. I had rather not have Maldonado, McCann, or Stassi here. He should have been left off, as his performance showed. Stassi was the best all-around catcher we had during the season, and the "superior" catchers were utterly horrific in the postseason. Show us some evidence that Stassi wouldn't have been just as terrible. Fact is that we didn't have good catching at the end from any of the three. Stassi had a good first half but tanked after the break. He is a good backup but we need a better option for a regular catcher.......trade for Realmuto or sign Ramos to be the main guy until Stubbs is ready. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2018 16:10:50 GMT -6
2017 was lucky or 2018 was unlucky depending how you look at it Somewhere in between. You don't win the WS without a little luck going your way. In 2019 I expect bounce back seasons from some of the offensive players, and I expect some decline/regression from our starting pitching. Verlander is awesome, but anybody expecting a duplicate performance next year needs to manage their expectations. I think he'll still be good, but top-3 CY good? Probably not. Injuries played a big part in the decline of Altuve, Correa, and Springer. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2018 16:20:55 GMT -6
He should have been left off, as his performance showed. Stassi was the best all-around catcher we had during the season, and the "superior" catchers were utterly horrific in the postseason. Show us some evidence that Stassi wouldn't have been just as terrible. Fact is that we didn't have good catching at the end from any of the three. Stassi had a good first half but tanked after the break. He is a good backup but we need a better option for a regular catcher.......trade for Realmuto or sign Ramos to be the main guy until Stubbs is ready. The only evidence I need is that he couldn't have possibly done worse. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 31, 2018 18:43:01 GMT -6
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Many players have a "career year" at some point and can't be expected to maintain that level over the long haul. Marwin had his in 2017. Keuchel had his in 2015. Keuchel expects to be paid for what he did in 2015.....it ain't gonna happen and shouldn't. Keuchel wants to be paid like a #1 starter when he is barely producing like a #3. He and Boras are going to be disapointed. As for Marwin, he is worth a three year deal in the area of $25-30 milion.
