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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 7, 2018 10:53:21 GMT -6
I honestly do not think we will be adding an outfielder this off season. Most of us seem to have forgotten Alvarez. Dude tore up AA and after a slow start did quite well in AAA after getting his legs under him. And he is still just a baby. Most have discussed him at 1st base but if he is a 1st baseman why did he not play any there last year. If Tucker start out slow and Alvarez rips it up in Round Rock then watch out for this kid to make some noise. He is rated as the 43rd best prospect I think, I know his ranking is in the 40s so why do we need another outfield bat. I think we go hard for a 1st baseman/dh and pitching at the meetings. Catcher maybe but an outfield add would surprise me. I haven't I like Yordan. That's why I'm ok with moving Tucker.. But Yordan might be a Dh/1b So thinking ahead Trevor Baur and Jason Kipnis for Joe Smith and some prospects? Anyone You think the Indians would give up Bauer (mainly) and Kipnis for Joe Smith and some prospects (by saying some you are implying not better ones)? I can only give you this advice: Never Go Full. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 7, 2018 10:54:51 GMT -6
I kind of want Tucker and Brantley playing together with Reddick on the bench. I know it won’t happem, but there are times when Reddick’s offense hurts. Would you rather have Cruz - 2 years/$25M or Brantley 3 years/$55M |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 11:17:52 GMT -6
I kind of want Tucker and Brantley playing together with Reddick on the bench. I know it won’t happem, but there are times when Reddick’s offense hurts. Would you rather have Cruz - 2 years/$25M or Brantley 3 years/$55M Honestly Cruz. Shorter contract, longer track record of staying healthy and that will give Tucker a chance to play. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 12:06:46 GMT -6
Kemp is a solid player, but the only place he makes sense as a legitimate starter is 2B. Astros are doing well contract wise , going into this next season the worst contract it seems to be Reddick: 2 mores at $13M a year. After that I guess it would be Rondon's ($4.5M) or Smith's ($8M), but they both are just have this season left. I think Reddick's contract is fine for what we're getting from him. Obviously 2018 wasn't great, but he over-performed in 2017. He has averaged 15 HR 64 RBI 70 Runs 7 SB .280/.342/.444 .785 OPS 116 OPS+ with basically average defense. If we get that type of production for the final two years he'll have earned his money, imo. Man, I forgot about Rondon and Smith being free agents after 2019 as well. We're going to have so many pitching holes to fill.... |
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 12:09:09 GMT -6
Kemp is a solid player, but the only place he makes sense as a legitimate starter is 2B. But add onto the trade, would you be inclined to do this trade Kemp + Perez For Gray, Romine, Ellsbury (Yankees pay $10M a year for remaining contract 2 years) + Chad Green (controllable through 2022) Yankees really want to dump Ellsbury...is it worth being on the hook for the Astros to still be paying Ellsbury $11M for 2 more years and likely $5M buyout in 2021. I'd still probably do it. What is Ellsbury's health issue? |
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 12:10:51 GMT -6
I honestly do not think we will be adding an outfielder this off season. Most of us seem to have forgotten Alvarez. Dude tore up AA and after a slow start did quite well in AAA after getting his legs under him. And he is still just a baby. Most have discussed him at 1st base but if he is a 1st baseman why did he not play any there last year. If Tucker start out slow and Alvarez rips it up in Round Rock then watch out for this kid to make some noise. He is rated as the 43rd best prospect I think, I know his ranking is in the 40s so why do we need another outfield bat. I think we go hard for a 1st baseman/dh and pitching at the meetings. Catcher maybe but an outfield add would surprise me. I haven't I like Yordan. That's why I'm ok with moving Tucker.. But Yordan might be a Dh/1b So thinking ahead Trevor Baur and Jason Kipnis for Joe Smith and some prospects? Anyone That's pretty open. Depends on the prospects. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 12:11:57 GMT -6
Maybe it's the vehemence with which you rake players over the coals that surprises people when you become their team dad later. May 1: "This worthless, ugly, blind, gimp piece of dung Marwin should be kicked out of baseball!!!!!!!!1 and castrated so he doesn't reproduce!!!" September 1: "Marwin is so cute in his Astros uni...i hope he never takes it off. Pay him $30 million per year, Luhnow!!! Retire his number!!!!!!!!one" An allegiance is formed between Bortaz and Saint. Keep me out of it. I'm trying to be less confrontational. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 7, 2018 12:13:56 GMT -6
it's amazing how you seem to think it's wrong to change your mind when a player turns his season around. WHO of the available players is a better option than keeping Marwin? I am also President of the Jake Fan Club. Maybe it's the vehemence with which you rake players over the coals that surprises people when you become their team dad later. May 1: "This worthless, ugly, blind, gimp piece of dung Marwin should be kicked out of baseball!!!!!!!!1 and castrated so he doesn't reproduce!!!" September 1: "Marwin is so cute in his Astros uni...i hope he never takes it off. Pay him $30 million per year, Luhnow!!! Retire his number!!!!!!!!one" I see you still have a wild imagination.  |
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 12:14:25 GMT -6
I kind of want Tucker and Brantley playing together with Reddick on the bench. I know it won’t happem, but there are times when Reddick’s offense hurts. Would you rather have Cruz - 2 years/$25M or Brantley 3 years/$55M Cruz. I don't trust Brantley to play more than half a season. Cruz is proven and productive even at his age. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 7, 2018 12:33:57 GMT -6
I want a back up plan. My thoughts are let's sign Avisail Garcia or Derek Dietrich. Use them one of them to back up both Reddick and LF or Start. Sign Brantley 3yrs 45m Sign Cruz 2yrs 30m And go find those players we really need via Trade. How long have you been getting it on with Dietrich? I first noticed Dietrich when looking for another player the Marlins could throw into a Tucker Realmuto trade if we decided we hasd to have Realmuto. But after seeing him as a league average hitting outfielder, I discovered he was a FA so he didn't serve that purpose.
But I think he is a secondary consideration and not a significant improvement over what we have. Depth seams to be the only reason for looking at him.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 7, 2018 12:36:48 GMT -6
Maybe it's the vehemence with which you rake players over the coals that surprises people when you become their team dad later. May 1: "This worthless, ugly, blind, gimp piece of dung Marwin should be kicked out of baseball!!!!!!!!1 and castrated so he doesn't reproduce!!!" September 1: "Marwin is so cute in his Astros uni...i hope he never takes it off. Pay him $30 million per year, Luhnow!!! Retire his number!!!!!!!!one" I see you still have a wild imagination. After a certain age, it's important to keep the mind and imagination active. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 7, 2018 13:07:42 GMT -6
I haven't I like Yordan. That's why I'm ok with moving Tucker.. But Yordan might be a Dh/1b So thinking ahead Trevor Baur and Jason Kipnis for Joe Smith and some prospects? Anyone That's pretty open. Depends on the prospects. I left it open ended just to see the trash talk. They didnt even notice it. Just said no the prospects you offered are weak and not good. J.B. Framber Kemp and another would get that deal done |
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 13:13:11 GMT -6
That's pretty open. Depends on the prospects. I left it open ended just to see the trash talk. They didnt even notice it. Just said no the prospects you offered are weak and not good. J.B. Framber Kemp and another would get that deal done Taking on Kipnis doesn't do us any good. I'm not sure about Bauer...I don't know that I'd be willing to give up two pitching prospects (including a high one) when Bauer has really only had one strong season and had an injury issue during it. He's only under control for two more years also. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 7, 2018 13:18:44 GMT -6
Would you rather have Cruz - 2 years/$25M or Brantley 3 years/$55M Cruz. I don't trust Brantley to play more than half a season. Cruz is proven and productive even at his age. The fact that Brantley is said to be wanting a contract worth around $20 million per year shows he really overvalues himself. In any case, I will take Cruz, a proven power hitter and run producer. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 7, 2018 13:20:08 GMT -6
That's pretty open. Depends on the prospects. I left it open ended just to see the trash talk. They didnt even notice it. Just said no the prospects you offered are weak and not good. J.B. Framber Kemp and another would get that deal done You have no clue as to what would get ANY deal done.....all you can do is guess......like the rest of us. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 7, 2018 13:21:16 GMT -6
But add onto the trade, would you be inclined to do this trade Kemp + Perez For Gray, Romine, Ellsbury (Yankees pay $10M a year for remaining contract 2 years) + Chad Green (controllable through 2022) Yankees really want to dump Ellsbury...is it worth being on the hook for the Astros to still be paying Ellsbury $11M for 2 more years and likely $5M buyout in 2021. I'd still probably do it. What is Ellsbury's health issue? I would be for this trade as well. I don't know if Yankees will laugh it off b/c I put in Chad Green...but how desperately do they want to rid themselves of Jacob's contract....he should be ready for the season, but he is coming off hip injury...(he is injury prone).... I see the needs of both: Astros need another pitcher, and Gray, despite his 2018 stats, is their type of pitcher...Romine brings leadership and power....Green would be awesome to have....Ellsbury is way passed his better years, but if he can go back to being 70% of what he was, it could be worth it. Yankees - need to shed salaries - Kemp is cheap and Perez is a good pitching prospects but we have others...I would rather they want someone like Joe Smith, in case they wanted to replace the loss of Chad Green, but Smith is $8M and that goes against the shedding salary. If the Yankees could pull off this trade, from their side, it allow them to take on another big, lofty contract. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 7, 2018 13:44:56 GMT -6
I'd still probably do it. What is Ellsbury's health issue? I would be for this trade as well. I don't know if Yankees will laugh it off b/c I put in Chad Green...but how desperately do they want to rid themselves of Jacob's contract....he should be ready for the season, but he is coming off hip injury...(he is injury prone).... I see the needs of both: Astros need another pitcher, and Gray, despite his 2018 stats, is their type of pitcher...Romine brings leadership and power....Green would be awesome to have....Ellsbury is way passed his better years, but if he can go back to being 70% of what he was, it could be worth it. Yankees - need to shed salaries - Kemp is cheap and Perez is a good pitching prospects but we have others...I would rather they want someone like Joe Smith, in case they wanted to replace the loss of Chad Green, but Smith is $8M and that goes against the shedding salary. If the Yankees could pull off this trade, from their side, it allow them to take on another big, lofty contract. if Strom thinks he can help Gray, do it. It's a low risk deal. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 13:50:55 GMT -6
I'd still probably do it. What is Ellsbury's health issue? I would be for this trade as well. I don't know if Yankees will laugh it off b/c I put in Chad Green...but how desperately do they want to rid themselves of Jacob's contract....he should be ready for the season, but he is coming off hip injury...(he is injury prone).... I see the needs of both: Astros need another pitcher, and Gray, despite his 2018 stats, is their type of pitcher...Romine brings leadership and power....Green would be awesome to have....Ellsbury is way passed his better years, but if he can go back to being 70% of what he was, it could be worth it. Yankees - need to shed salaries - Kemp is cheap and Perez is a good pitching prospects but we have others...I would rather they want someone like Joe Smith, in case they wanted to replace the loss of Chad Green, but Smith is $8M and that goes against the shedding salary. If the Yankees could pull off this trade, from their side, it allow them to take on another big, lofty contract. 70% of 2013 Ellsbury or 70% of 2017 Ellsbury? Big difference. That's a bad contract even just for two more years.I don't know. I like the idea of Gray and Green of course. It's probably a fair trade all things considered, but does all of that movement and money actually make us much better? Romine is basically older Stassi with a worse OBP now that I look at him more closely, and Gray is still a "?"... It's not a bad deal, but I feel like we could improve with less complicated movements and less money (or the same money but on better players like Greinke). |
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Post by m240 on Dec 7, 2018 13:55:37 GMT -6
Adding Grienke would improve our run differential by about 26 runs all by himself
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Post by m240 on Dec 7, 2018 14:00:58 GMT -6
Adding Cruz would enhance our projected runs scored by close to 18.
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 7, 2018 14:01:21 GMT -6
I honestly do not think we will be adding an outfielder this off season. Most of us seem to have forgotten Alvarez. Dude tore up AA and after a slow start did quite well in AAA after getting his legs under him. And he is still just a baby. Most have discussed him at 1st base but if he is a 1st baseman why did he not play any there last year. If Tucker start out slow and Alvarez rips it up in Round Rock then watch out for this kid to make some noise. He is rated as the 43rd best prospect I think, I know his ranking is in the 40s so why do we need another outfield bat. I think we go hard for a 1st baseman/dh and pitching at the meetings. Catcher maybe but an outfield add would surprise me. I haven't I like Yordan. That's why I'm ok with moving Tucker.. But Yordan might be a Dh/1b So thinking ahead Trevor Baur and Jason Kipnis for Joe Smith and some prospects? Anyone Bauer would not go over good in Houston. Do you pay attention during the season or just the off-season? Kipnis.....yuk. One last question, why do you think anyone would want Joe Smith? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 14:05:37 GMT -6
I haven't I like Yordan. That's why I'm ok with moving Tucker.. But Yordan might be a Dh/1b So thinking ahead Trevor Baur and Jason Kipnis for Joe Smith and some prospects? Anyone Bauer would not go over good in Houston. Do you pay attention during the season or just the off-season? Kipnis.....yuk. One last question, why do you think anyone would want Joe Smith? Bauer and Bregman are still going at it on Twitter in the offseason. Bauer would not fit in. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 7, 2018 14:08:49 GMT -6
Adding Grienke would improve our run differential by about 26 runs all by himself Two things are important when considering this: 1. How much of Grienke's contract are the Dbacks willing to eat? 2. What does Strom think he could do with him. I have always thought he was selfish and had a bad attitude. i could be wrong. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 7, 2018 14:11:50 GMT -6
Adding Grienke would improve our run differential by about 26 runs all by himself Two things are important when considering this: 1. How much of Grienke's contract are the Dbacks willing to eat? 2. What does Strom think he could do with him. I have always thought he was selfish and had a bad attitude. i could be wrong. I have no idea what kind of guy he is but I am sure that he would love the chance to win a world series so maybe that keeps a lid on his personality issues if he has some. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 14:13:50 GMT -6
Adding Grienke would improve our run differential by about 26 runs all by himself Two things are important when considering this: 1. How much of Grienke's contract are the Dbacks willing to eat? 2. What does Strom think he could do with him. I have always thought he was selfish and had a bad attitude. i could be wrong. I don't recall anything like that with Greinke. I know he some anxiety issues when he was younger. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 7, 2018 14:16:05 GMT -6
An allegiance is formed between Bortaz and Saint. Keep me out of it. I'm trying to be less confrontational. That’s what the Americans said before the attack on Pearl Harbor. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 14:23:21 GMT -6
Keep me out of it. I'm trying to be less confrontational. That’s what the Americans said before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Look at Sherwin with the big brain. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 7, 2018 14:25:43 GMT -6
If the season started today, who would make the 25 man roster? If the season started TODAY, this would be my guess: White Yuli Altuve Correa Bregman Diaz Tucker Springer Reddick Marisnick Chirinos Stassi Cole Verlander McHugh Peacock James Devenski Pressly Smith Rondon Osuna Harris Valdez Perez |
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Post by m240 on Dec 7, 2018 14:28:29 GMT -6
Luhnow said that Straw as drawing a lot of interest in trade discussions.
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Post by Saint on Dec 7, 2018 14:33:03 GMT -6
And in the end, wish lists aside, that's a damn good team. Especially if Correa, Altuve, and Springer bounce back.
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