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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 13, 2018 20:26:59 GMT -6
Y’all mentioned moving Correa to LF due to him having syphilis or something, moving Bregman to SS...leaving a need for 3rd baseman. Why hasn’t anyone called for us to sign Manny Machado?
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 13, 2018 21:04:04 GMT -6
Thomas Harding of MLB.com reports that the Rockies discussed trades for Jon Gray at the Winter Meetings.
Gray is coming off a very disappointing statistical season, finishing with a 5.12 ERA and he was left off the team's playoff roster against the Brewers in the NLDS. That being said, he's also shown electric stuff in the past, and the analytics say that Gray had some bad luck in 2018. His fantasy value would increase exponentially if he was playing for a different club next season.
This is a guy the Astros are Interested been saying it for months
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2018 21:11:56 GMT -6
Thomas Harding of MLB.com reports that the Rockies discussed trades for Jon Gray at the Winter Meetings. Gray is coming off a very disappointing statistical season, finishing with a 5.12 ERA and he was left off the team's playoff roster against the Brewers in the NLDS. That being said, he's also shown electric stuff in the past, and the analytics say that Gray had some bad luck in 2018. His fantasy value would increase exponentially if he was playing for a different club next season. This is a guy the Astros are Interested been saying it for months I hate to break it to you,but, the Astros are not interested in every player on every team. Please try to grasp that. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2018 21:13:12 GMT -6
Y’all mentioned moving Correa to LF due to him having syphilis or something, moving Bregman to SS...leaving a need for 3rd baseman. Why hasn’t anyone called for us to sign Manny Machado? We don't need that goofy looking jackass. Attitude-wise,it would be like the return of Carlos Gomez. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 13, 2018 21:36:11 GMT -6
Y’all mentioned moving Correa to LF due to him having syphilis or something, moving Bregman to SS...leaving a need for 3rd baseman. Why hasn’t anyone called for us to sign Manny Machado? Manny is looking for a uni in pinstripes. It is not the Phils. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 13, 2018 22:18:56 GMT -6
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 13, 2018 22:19:59 GMT -6
The above is another reason why I says Harper that money will be off the books
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 13, 2018 22:34:04 GMT -6
Thomas Harding of MLB.com reports that the Rockies discussed trades for Jon Gray at the Winter Meetings. Gray is coming off a very disappointing statistical season, finishing with a 5.12 ERA and he was left off the team's playoff roster against the Brewers in the NLDS. That being said, he's also shown electric stuff in the past, and the analytics say that Gray had some bad luck in 2018. His fantasy value would increase exponentially if he was playing for a different club next season. This is a guy the Astros are Interested been saying it for months I hate to break it to you,but, the Astros are not interested in every player on every team. Please try to grasp that. I talked this guy up for two months. What are you saying. Everyone said Rockies would never trade him he is to good and young.. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 13, 2018 22:40:41 GMT -6
For those wanting that LHRP
Meanwhile, despite potentially losing Tony Sipp in free agency, the division-rival Astros aren’t likely to shop at the top of the market for left-handed relievers, per Jake Kaplan of The Athletic(subscription required). Rather, the Astros seem “comfortable” with a pair of in-house southpaws – Framber Valdez and Cionel Perez – as well as a cast of righty relievers who are capable of getting lefty hitters out. It’s not clear whether Brad Peacock will remain among that group of righties in 2019, though, as Kaplan relays that he’ll enter spring training as a starter. Peacock made 21 starts two years ago, but that number plummeted to one in 2018, when he came out of the Astros’ bullpen 60 times.
Not gonna happen like I said a couple days ago
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 13, 2018 22:43:04 GMT -6
I would bet there is an offer on the table for Jon Gray of the Rockies. I would venture to wonder if Tyler white or Yuli Gurriel straight up for him would do the trick?
I would also say Nelson Cruz is waiting on us. Cant say he is or isnt going to the Ray's. But I heard Edwin encarnacon who just went to the Mariners will be back on the move to the Ray's as early as the week end
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 13, 2018 22:47:51 GMT -6
If the Astros could pull Jon Gray and Micheal Fulmer and they can turn it around next year look out. NO Verlander or Cole
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2018 23:05:39 GMT -6
I saw the interview when it happened.......He never said Verlander would not be back. He said he had a chance to explore free agency and get a big contract. He did not say the Astros would not re-sign him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2018 23:07:45 GMT -6
I hate to break it to you,but, the Astros are not interested in every player on every team. Please try to grasp that. I talked this guy up for two months. What are you saying. Everyone said Rockies would never trade him he is to good and young.. Yeah, you "talked up" a lot of players and not only did we not get any of them, most of them are still with the same teams they were with when you started 'talking them up".  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2018 23:10:36 GMT -6
I would bet there is an offer on the table for Jon Gray of the Rockies. I would venture to wonder if Tyler white or Yuli Gurriel straight up for him would do the trick? I would also say Nelson Cruz is waiting on us. Cant say he is or isnt going to the Ray's. But I heard Edwin encarnacon who just went to the Mariners will be back on the move to the Ray's as early as the week end so, you think we would deal White or Gurriel for a pitcher who had an ERA over 5.00.......don't hold your breath. I think we can get Cruz but I'll wait until it's official. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 13, 2018 23:11:50 GMT -6
If the Astros could pull Jon Gray and Micheal Fulmer and they can turn it around next year look out. NO Verlander or Cole You sound like you would get both Verlander and Cole go. That would be just plain stupid. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 13, 2018 23:46:41 GMT -6
I would bet there is an offer on the table for Jon Gray of the Rockies. I would venture to wonder if Tyler white or Yuli Gurriel straight up for him would do the trick? I would also say Nelson Cruz is waiting on us. Cant say he is or isnt going to the Ray's. But I heard Edwin encarnacon who just went to the Mariners will be back on the move to the Ray's as early as the week end so, you think we would deal White or Gurriel for a pitcher who had an ERA over 5.00.......don't hold your breath. I think we can get Cruz but I'll wait until it's official. You do realize Colorado that stadium is dookie correct? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 13, 2018 23:47:09 GMT -6
If the Astros could pull Jon Gray and Micheal Fulmer and they can turn it around next year look out. NO Verlander or Cole You sound like you would get both Verlander and Cole go. That would be just plain stupid. Idk about both. But I bet Verlander would be gone. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 14, 2018 7:11:34 GMT -6
Outside of Corbin, the Astros have only missed out on FAs or trades with injury prone pitchers: Paxton, Morton and Evoladi.
Morton will be missed but I think Luhnow knew of Morton's shoulder and the high probability Morton will be spending some extended time on the DL.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 14, 2018 7:14:21 GMT -6
You sound like you would get both Verlander and Cole go. That would be just plain stupid. Idk about both. But I bet Verlander would be gone. I hope not, his ability + leadership can not be replaced. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 14, 2018 7:27:16 GMT -6
I'm glad Luhnow is the one negotiating. Fans lose sight of the big picture too easily. For all the press about Luhnow's ability to evaluate and improve players and maximize their skills, he's even better at negotiating and that's been my business since 1980. He may make mistakes, but they're not based on irrational emotional desperation.
Listening to the interview, the point he made that I heard loud and clear is that he wants to be judged, not on the Astros roster coming out of the Winter Meetings, but by who they put on the field on Opening Day. That corresponds to how he worked out the trade for Cole last year and how he made the move for Verlander AFTER the non-waiver deadline two years ago.
He's got the Big Picture under control.
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Post by m240 on Dec 14, 2018 8:34:49 GMT -6
You sound like you would get both Verlander and Cole go. That would be just plain stupid. Idk about both. But I bet Verlander would be gone. Of the two I think we are more likely to keep Verlander. I think that he is smart enough to know that an extra 15% of his money gets taken right off the top by being in California (where they want to end up), he likes stability, he won a world series here, he likes the makeup of our team, he likes the coaching staff, and he likes the way our organization operates. He also is smart enough to know that he only has a couple more years left after this one so why take a chance on somewhere else. That is of course unless we do not look like a contender going forward. Cole on the other hand has never tried his hand at free agency and is young so why not try to get a crazy good contract. He is still young enough to recover from a screw up in selecting where to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 8:40:53 GMT -6
I'd love to lock up both Verlander and Cole, but I think if we had to let one walk I would prefer to lock up Cole long term.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 14, 2018 8:43:06 GMT -6
I'd love to lock up both Verlander and Cole, but I think if we had to let one walk I would prefer to lock up Cole long term. I agree. I really like Verlander, but why would you choose him over Cole? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 8:50:16 GMT -6
I'd love to lock up both Verlander and Cole, but I think if we had to let one walk I would prefer to lock up Cole long term. I agree. I really like Verlander, but why would you choose him over Cole? Verlander has the mental and psychical make up to pitch successfully until he is 40, but you have to think eventually time will catch up to him. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 8:53:48 GMT -6
I read on Bleacher Report that Boras is rumored to be demanding north of $400mm for Harper. I can't imagine someone going up that high for a one-way player. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 8:55:27 GMT -6
I don't THINK we'll get him, but it wouldnt surprise me given our interest last season and the uncertainty of Correa. When you consider that Yuli was having a down year powerwise; Correa was struggling with his back; Altuve was struggling with a bum knee and Marwin had not shown up yet, it is understandable that Luhnow would have had interest in obtaining Harper at the trade deadline, paying him $7 million +/- for the rest of the season, and hopefully replace some of the missing offense. Like I’ve said before though, there is a world of difference between committing to paying the guy $7 million +/- to play for 2+ months and committing to paying him at a rate north of $30 million a year for the next 10 years. I just can’t see it happening, regardless of the uncertainty about Correa. It all depends on how they view their chances at keeping our other core players. Having Altuve and Harper as the core of your offense for the next 6 years would certainly be impressive regardless of who else you manage to keep. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 14, 2018 9:30:48 GMT -6
I read on Bleacher Report that Boras is rumored to be demanding north of $400mm for Harper. I can't imagine someone going up that high for a one-way player. Precisely. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 9:32:18 GMT -6
I know a lot of people are frustrated by the lack of movement so far for the Astros, but I think they've done pretty well so far.
We've replaced Marwin with a younger cheaper option that has potential to be better offensively.
We've improved the catching situation with Chirinos, imo, as he has the potential to put up the best offensive season we've had from a catcher ever if he can do close to what he did in 2017, and Stassi should likely improve a little, you would think. They don't have the arm that Maldonado has, but they both rank well with blocking and Stassi is one of the best framers in the game.
We still need a starting pitcher or two, and a DH would be nice, but I feel like we have a plenty good enough team to get us into the playoffs. Even if we don't sign anybody else at all right now, we can always improve during the season with a trade. We have a lot of extensions and potential re-signings next year so it's good that Luhnow isn't overpaying for free agents right now. I think a patient approach is what is needed for us. A lot of our guys should bounce back next year and have stronger seasons at the plate, and while we don't necessarily want to rely on all of our younger guys being completely ready, it's certainly easily possible that guys like Tucker and James could be very good players right now.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 14, 2018 9:41:22 GMT -6
Really, the only over-the-top complaining about Luhnow right now is, as usual, Corch with his bombastic "dumbass luhnow sitting on his dumb ass and doing nothing like a dumbass!!!" posts...same as last year at this time, and same as last year at the trade deadline.
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 14, 2018 9:57:13 GMT -6
The only issue with that is Bregman moves back to SS and who plays 3B If the real JD ever shows up that could be a fill. |
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