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Post by bearbryant on Dec 14, 2018 10:08:28 GMT -6
Thomas Harding of MLB.com reports that the Rockies discussed trades for Jon Gray at the Winter Meetings. Gray is coming off a very disappointing statistical season, finishing with a 5.12 ERA and he was left off the team's playoff roster against the Brewers in the NLDS. That being said, he's also shown electric stuff in the past, and the analytics say that Gray had some bad luck in 2018. His fantasy value would increase exponentially if he was playing for a different club next season. This is a guy the Astros are Interested been saying it for months |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 14, 2018 10:24:19 GMT -6
Really, the only over-the-top complaining about Luhnow right now is, as usual, Corch with his bombastic "dumbass luhnow sitting on his dumb ass and doing nothing like a dumbass!!!" posts...same as last year at this time, and same as last year at the trade deadline. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 14, 2018 11:05:03 GMT -6
The only issue with that is Bregman moves back to SS and who plays 3B If the real JD ever shows up that could be a fill. I’m wondering what the Astros FO will do with Davis. He has nothing left to prove in the minor leagues, but he is blocked at the ML level. He has 2 options left so the team could choose to hold onto him for a couple more years for insurance should Correa’s back injury be a career threatening one or they could choose to trade him, if the right deal comes along. Concerning your comment about Correa throwing to home plate from the outfield, I recently saw an old video of Roberto Clemente picking up a ball on the warning track in RF and throwing a strike to home plate to nail a runner. No bouncing throw to the plate. Just a dart from RF warning track to the plate. What a gifted athlete he was. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 14, 2018 11:29:55 GMT -6
I know a lot of people are frustrated by the lack of movement so far for the Astros, but I think they've done pretty well so far. We've replaced Marwin with a younger cheaper option that has potential to be better offensively. We've improved the catching situation with Chirinos, imo, as he has the potential to put up the best offensive season we've had from a catcher ever if he can do close to what he did in 2017, and Stassi should likely improve a little, you would think. They don't have the arm that Maldonado has, but they both rank well with blocking and Stassi is one of the best framers in the game. We still need a starting pitcher or two, and a DH would be nice, but I feel like we have a plenty good enough team to get us into the playoffs. Even if we don't sign anybody else at all right now, we can always improve during the season with a trade. We have a lot of extensions and potential re-signings next year so it's good that Luhnow isn't overpaying for free agents right now. I think a patient approach is what is needed for us. A lot of our guys should bounce back next year and have stronger seasons at the plate, and while we don't necessarily want to rely on all of our younger guys being completely ready, it's certainly easily possible that guys like Tucker and James could be very good players right now. I agree with you. One of the things I like about Diaz over Marwin is that he puts the ball in play more often. His strike out percentage (13.7%) last season was about half that of Marwin (22.8%). I wouldn’t mind seeing Luhnow sign Daniel Murphy. He is another guy who consistently puts the ball in play. His strike out percentage (11.4%) would be a refreshing change from that of Gattis (22.4%). |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 14, 2018 11:30:41 GMT -6
If the real JD ever shows up that could be a fill. I’m wondering what the Astros FO will do with Davis. He has nothing left to prove in the minor leagues, but he is blocked at the ML level. He has 2 options left so the team could choose to hold onto him for a couple more years for insurance should Correa’s back injury be a career threatening one or they could choose to trade him, if the right deal comes along. Concerning your comment about Correa throwing to home plate from the outfield, I recently saw an old video of Roberto Clemente picking up a ball on the warning track in RF and throwing a strike to home plate to nail a runner. No bouncing throw to the plate. Just a dart from RF warning track to the plate. What a gifted athlete he was. I love two-way baseball players. I’ve seen footage of guys like Kaline and Van Slyke throw absolute darts to home plate. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 14, 2018 11:46:19 GMT -6
On a unrelated note, I wonder if Elias is already having some issues with the Orioles owner. From MLBTR concerning the possible hiring of Hyde as the Orioles new manager:
First this: “7:06pm: Hyde will indeed get the job, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports.”
Then this: “7:25pm: Elias has shot down reports that the Orioles have even offered anyone the job, let alone hired a new manager, per Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com.”
Then this: “9:15pm: The Orioles could announce Hyde as their manager as soon as Wednesday, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today.”
And then two days later this:
“There still isn’t any solid word about Brandon Hyde as the Orioles’ new manager, as GM Mike Elias didn’t even confirm that Hyde received an offer during today’s session with media (including MASNsports.com’s Roch Kubatko). “In my position I can’t be out in front of events or the one who’s naming names or specifying timelines in public, obviously. But I think we’re in good shape. I’m hopeful that we’ll be able to have a good hire in due time,” Elias said.”
What? A GM can’t be the one who’s out front announcing the name of a new manager in public?
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 12:13:23 GMT -6
I know a lot of people are frustrated by the lack of movement so far for the Astros, but I think they've done pretty well so far. We've replaced Marwin with a younger cheaper option that has potential to be better offensively. We've improved the catching situation with Chirinos, imo, as he has the potential to put up the best offensive season we've had from a catcher ever if he can do close to what he did in 2017, and Stassi should likely improve a little, you would think. They don't have the arm that Maldonado has, but they both rank well with blocking and Stassi is one of the best framers in the game. We still need a starting pitcher or two, and a DH would be nice, but I feel like we have a plenty good enough team to get us into the playoffs. Even if we don't sign anybody else at all right now, we can always improve during the season with a trade. We have a lot of extensions and potential re-signings next year so it's good that Luhnow isn't overpaying for free agents right now. I think a patient approach is what is needed for us. A lot of our guys should bounce back next year and have stronger seasons at the plate, and while we don't necessarily want to rely on all of our younger guys being completely ready, it's certainly easily possible that guys like Tucker and James could be very good players right now. I agree with you. One of the things I like about Diaz over Marwin is that he puts the ball in play more often. His strike out percentage (13.7%) last season was about half that of Marwin (22.8%). I wouldn’t mind seeing Luhnow sign Daniel Murphy. He is another guy who consistently puts the ball in play. His strike out percentage (11.4%) would be a refreshing change from that of Gattis (22.4%). As much as I like Gattis and I think he was a solid DH and a better-than-solid backup catcher, it should be pretty easy to improve on the DH spot even without spending much or any money. White will be, at worst, as productive as Gattis even if we don't sign someone like Cruz or Murphy. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 12:14:10 GMT -6
The Orioles are a mess.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 14, 2018 13:48:22 GMT -6
I agree with you. One of the things I like about Diaz over Marwin is that he puts the ball in play more often. His strike out percentage (13.7%) last season was about half that of Marwin (22.8%). I wouldn’t mind seeing Luhnow sign Daniel Murphy. He is another guy who consistently puts the ball in play. His strike out percentage (11.4%) would be a refreshing change from that of Gattis (22.4%). As much as I like Gattis and I think he was a solid DH and a better-than-solid backup catcher, it should be pretty easy to improve on the DH spot even without spending much or any money. White will be, at worst, as productive as Gattis even if we don't sign someone like Cruz or Murphy. As a catcher, I didn’t mind Gattis even if he was average at the position. As a DH, I didn’t much care for the inconsistency. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 14, 2018 14:03:25 GMT -6
As much as I like Gattis and I think he was a solid DH and a better-than-solid backup catcher, it should be pretty easy to improve on the DH spot even without spending much or any money. White will be, at worst, as productive as Gattis even if we don't sign someone like Cruz or Murphy. As a catcher, I didn’t mind Gattis even if he was average at the position. As a DH, I didn’t much care for the inconsistency. Son, please. You hated on Gattis more than any fan has ever hated on any player. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 14, 2018 14:10:07 GMT -6
As much as I like Gattis and I think he was a solid DH and a better-than-solid backup catcher, it should be pretty easy to improve on the DH spot even without spending much or any money. White will be, at worst, as productive as Gattis even if we don't sign someone like Cruz or Murphy. As a catcher, I didn’t mind Gattis even if he was average at the position. As a DH, I didn’t much care for the inconsistency. I agree with you on Gattis. I am hoping Luhnow will replace him at DH with a low K, high OBP guy who has a little pop in his bat. Actually, if Brantley can stay healthy, he would be a good choice, especially since he has made it known that he is willing to play first base in addition to LF and CF. Maybe if he got a lot of his playing time at DH he wouldn’t be as likely to be injured as much. I like Daniel Murphy too, but he couldn’t contribute as much on D. I also like the idea of using White and Yuli at DH. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 15:10:30 GMT -6
I wonder what type of deal Markakis is looking for... He'd be a solid LF veteran for a 1-2 year deal if he's reasonable. I know he cooled off a lot after July but he has always been a guy to maintain a steady AVG and OBP even when the power wasn't always there.
I also still think Lucas Duda would be an easy cheap DH upgrade. I know he had a down year last season on a demotivating KC team, but in the 3 seasons he has had 500+/- plate appearances he has averaged 29 HR 76 RBI .829 OPS (.341 OBP) 128 OPS+ (And once he got traded to ATL last year he promptly went back up to an .864 OPS in a limited role.) He has torn up righties in his career and White has torn up lefties. Makes for a very smooth and cost effective DH tandem, plus both can cover 1B and Duda has played LF, if necessary.
Both of those guys would keep us from any long-term pricey contracts or holding up prospects that are ready to go, but they give us depth and proven production at cost-effective rates.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 14, 2018 15:23:31 GMT -6
There are several options to explore when signing a DH.........we just need to get a good one under contract. I hope Luhnow isn't serious about being comfortable with not adding more talent........I damn sure ain't.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 14, 2018 16:15:02 GMT -6
As a catcher, I didn’t mind Gattis even if he was average at the position. As a DH, I didn’t much care for the inconsistency. Son, please. You hated on Gattis more than any fan has ever hated on any player. Don't hate just because I wasn’t a part of your Marisnick fan club. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 14, 2018 16:22:57 GMT -6
Son, please. You hated on Gattis more than any fan has ever hated on any player. Dont hate just because I wasn’t a part of your Marisnick fan club. Don't start in on Jake.....He isn't the reason we didn't do squat at the Winter meetings.  But, since we didn't do shit at the trade deadline to add a bat, we should have expected it. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 16:26:05 GMT -6
Kinsler with a 2-year deal to the Padres. $8 million.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 14, 2018 17:05:03 GMT -6
As a catcher, I didn’t mind Gattis even if he was average at the position. As a DH, I didn’t much care for the inconsistency. Son, please. You hated on Gattis more than any fan has ever hated on any player. Do a survey, on poster to player hate. 1. Sherwin for Gattis 2. Bortaz for Marisnick 3. Corch for Marwin |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 14, 2018 17:09:53 GMT -6
I wonder what type of deal Markakis is looking for... He'd be a solid LF veteran for a 1-2 year deal if he's reasonable. I know he cooled off a lot after July but he has always been a guy to maintain a steady AVG and OBP even when the power wasn't always there. I also still think Lucas Duda would be an easy cheap DH upgrade. I know he had a down year last season on a demotivating KC team, but in the 3 seasons he has had 500+/- plate appearances he has averaged 29 HR 76 RBI .829 OPS (.341 OBP) 128 OPS+ (And once he got traded to ATL last year he promptly went back up to an .864 OPS in a limited role.) He has torn up righties in his career and White has torn up lefties. Makes for a very smooth and cost effective DH tandem, plus both can cover 1B and Duda has played LF, if necessary. Both of those guys would keep us from any long-term pricey contracts or holding up prospects that are ready to go, but they give us depth and proven production at cost-effective rates. I'm always a bit squeamish about those "I know he had a down year" and "I know he dropped off..." players. Especially when it's veterans closer to the end of their career than to the start of it. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 14, 2018 17:11:56 GMT -6
Son, please. You hated on Gattis more than any fan has ever hated on any player. Do a survey, on poster to player hate. 1. Sherwin for Gattis 2. Bortaz for Marisnick 3. Corch for Marwin Faulty poll. Corch slobs Marwin's knob lately. Besides, at least I'm consistent with my dislike of the talentless Marisnick. Sherwin's over here trying to act like a Gattis fan when my FB Messenger is FULL of him hating on the dude for the last 3 years. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 14, 2018 17:41:36 GMT -6
Son, please. You hated on Gattis more than any fan has ever hated on any player. Do a survey, on poster to player hate. 1. Sherwin for Gattis 2. Bortaz for Marisnick 3. Corch for Marwin Marwin is off my shit list. Consdering what is available, I wish they would keep him Good riddance to Gattis and I'd celebrate when I hear that Harris and Devenski are both gone |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 14, 2018 17:43:58 GMT -6
Do a survey, on poster to player hate. 1. Sherwin for Gattis 2. Bortaz for Marisnick 3. Corch for Marwin Faulty poll. Corch slobs Marwin's knob lately. Besides, at least I'm consistent with my dislike of the talentless Marisnick. Sherwin's over here trying to act like a Gattis fan when my FB Messenger is FULL of him hating on the dude for the last 3 years. you referring to one of the top defensive outfielders in the game as "talentless" shows you are not objective and biased as hell. I would take Jake over Kemp all day long and replace Kemp with Straw on the roster. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 17:45:24 GMT -6
I wonder what type of deal Markakis is looking for... He'd be a solid LF veteran for a 1-2 year deal if he's reasonable. I know he cooled off a lot after July but he has always been a guy to maintain a steady AVG and OBP even when the power wasn't always there. I also still think Lucas Duda would be an easy cheap DH upgrade. I know he had a down year last season on a demotivating KC team, but in the 3 seasons he has had 500+/- plate appearances he has averaged 29 HR 76 RBI .829 OPS (.341 OBP) 128 OPS+ (And once he got traded to ATL last year he promptly went back up to an .864 OPS in a limited role.) He has torn up righties in his career and White has torn up lefties. Makes for a very smooth and cost effective DH tandem, plus both can cover 1B and Duda has played LF, if necessary. Both of those guys would keep us from any long-term pricey contracts or holding up prospects that are ready to go, but they give us depth and proven production at cost-effective rates. I'm always a bit squeamish about those "I know he had a down year" and "I know he dropped off..." players. Especially when it's veterans closer to the end of their career than to the start of it. Yeah but it's not like either of those guys had BAD years, especially Markakis. And Duda would be so cheap it wouldn't matter if he pulled a Beltran. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 17:46:22 GMT -6
Do a survey, on poster to player hate. 1. Sherwin for Gattis 2. Bortaz for Marisnick 3. Corch for Marwin Marwin is off my shit list. Consdering what is available, I wish they would keep him Good riddance to Gattis and I'd celebrate when I hear that Harris and Devenski are both gone Too soon to give up on Devo. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 14, 2018 18:02:40 GMT -6
Son, please. You hated on Gattis more than any fan has ever hated on any player. Do a survey, on poster to player hate. 1. Sherwin for Gattis 2. Bortaz for Marisnick 3. Corch for Marwin |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 14, 2018 18:45:02 GMT -6
Do a survey, on poster to player hate. 1. Sherwin for Gattis 2. Bortaz for Marisnick 3. Corch for Marwin Man, I don’t even know anymore. All I know is that plenty of people have had bad times on the team, but Gattis is beloved more because he has a cool beard and is called “El Oso Blanco”. He comes through sometimes and had probably his best stretch last season, but ultimately he is an average hitter who’s propped up by the team and fans as some white righthanded David Ortiz. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 14, 2018 18:45:07 GMT -6
Faulty poll. Corch slobs Marwin's knob lately. Besides, at least I'm consistent with my dislike of the talentless Marisnick. Sherwin's over here trying to act like a Gattis fan when my FB Messenger is FULL of him hating on the dude for the last 3 years. you referring to one of the top defensive outfielders in the game as "talentless" shows you are not objective and biased as hell. I would take Jake over Kemp all day long and replace Kemp with Straw on the roster. I owned my bias literally in the post you quoted. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 14, 2018 18:46:56 GMT -6
Sherwin hates Harris more than Gattis Man, I don’t even know anymore. All I know is that plenty of people have had bad times on the team, but Gattis is beloved more because he has a cool beard and is called “El Oso Blanco”. He comes through sometimes and had probably his best stretch last season, but ultimately he is an average hitter who’s propped up by the team and fans as some white righthanded David Ortiz. Don't forget the part where he was a drunk dope head janitor. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 14, 2018 19:08:32 GMT -6
Marwin is off my shit list. Consdering what is available, I wish they would keep him Good riddance to Gattis and I'd celebrate when I hear that Harris and Devenski are both gone Too soon to give up on Devo. it's still not clear why Devo fell off a cliff last year, but he's going to have the whole winter to get back to form. If he comes back and has a good ST, it will restore confidence. Gattis was a red flag before the 2018 season even started, and yet he got way more ABs than he deserved due to his contract and experience. Markakis and Duda ought to have received contract offers from the Astros by now. No reason for them to rush to sign yet. I'd prefer Markakis given his strikeout avoidance though. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 14, 2018 19:21:20 GMT -6
Marwin is off my shit list. Consdering what is available, I wish they would keep him Good riddance to Gattis and I'd celebrate when I hear that Harris and Devenski are both gone Too soon to give up on Devo. He has been useless at the end of the last two seasons. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 14, 2018 19:23:25 GMT -6
you referring to one of the top defensive outfielders in the game as "talentless" shows you are not objective and biased as hell. I would take Jake over Kemp all day long and replace Kemp with Straw on the roster. I owned my bias literally in the post you quoted. At least you don't lie about being biased. |
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But, since we didn't do shit at the trade deadline to add a bat, we should have expected it.
