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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 9:24:36 GMT -6
Which makes since on the intreast in players with long term control
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 10:20:18 GMT -6
If they land any of those Pirates, then the Red Sox and the media will be sweating like a whore in church. I would be happy with the SP and RP. And yes it would shock the world. They made a compeling argument. Kinda like who they would replace on the roster. I would seriously think Josh James would have to be apart of that deal. In terms of need, I’d go with Taillon or Vasquez then Bell, especially if Alvarez can play a decent 1B. I like Josh James, but relievers come and go. If he were in our rotation, I’d be more hesitant to trade him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 10:22:50 GMT -6
Anyone listening to 610am this morning about Yordan Alvarez? They all think they should bring him up for atleast a 10 day stent to see of he can hit mlb pitching. They think Springer should go on the DL to make sure his back is fine. They also think that Jamison Taillon, Felipe Vazquez and Josh Bell are Targets for the Astros at the deadline. They talked about how they aquired Cole and think the Pirates are gonna burn the team down again. They believe the Astros Minor league system is loaded and that they can add all three of those players for a fairly good rate of prospects. Anyone wanna take a stab at what that would cost? ~Well if 610 said that then you know it's going to happen~ I really don’t care for anyone on that station. They’re a bunch of know-it-all blowhards. People like Lance Zierlein and especially Charlie Pallilo have more fair and reasonable opinions. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 20, 2019 11:56:58 GMT -6
Trading Correa in the winter before or during his final season of team control means the Astros have given up on that season. You aren't going to get ML-ready player s of quality who have substantial time under team control in return. For a one-year rental (and a pick attached if traded before the season begins), you would definitely get a top prospect and some nice pieces thrown in. I would think he wants to stay its just gonna be hard presses to keep him. Unless money just flys off the books soon and the minor leaguers step up and play That's what makes him a great target for extending him now. With two and a half seasons remaining where he has no guarantee, signing long-term to a discount rate and a guaranteed payday could be very attractive. Of course if he isn't interested, you can just use him through the seasons where you have team control. If you decide to flip him for prospects before the 2021 season starts, you just might have someone in the minors who does well on defense at the shortstop position and hits like a corner outfielder who's ready for the bigs. Of course the chance that you'll have someone like that (or can trade for with another team that will exchange similar level of talent/cost/length of control for a position they need to fill) won't be good at all if you've already spent your farm talent for two-year rentals on guys like Realmuto. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 12:12:12 GMT -6
I would think he wants to stay its just gonna be hard presses to keep him. Unless money just flys off the books soon and the minor leaguers step up and play That's what makes him a great target for extending him now. With two and a half seasons remaining where he has no guarantee, signing long-term to a discount rate and a guaranteed payday could be very attractive. Of course if he isn't interested, you can just use him through the seasons where you have team control. If you decide to flip him for prospects before the 2021 season starts, you just might have someone in the minors who does well on defense at the shortstop position and hits like a corner outfielder who's ready for the bigs. Of course the chance that you'll have someone like that (or can trade for with another team that will exchange similar level of talent/cost/length of control for a position they need to fill) won't be good at all if you've already spent your farm talent for two-year rentals on guys like Realmuto. This is how I feel about Correa. While he plays a more defensively difficult position than Springer, I really see him as a 3B who plays SS, and it’s also a position in which I care more about defense than offense. Correa hits exceptionally well for a SS, but it’s more of a luxury than a necessity for this team especially. Also, he is less able to carry a team on offense than Springer, which is why I’d prefer to sign him to an extension even if George is streaky. Finally, Bregman can play SS if need be so Correa is expendable in that regard. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 20, 2019 12:38:14 GMT -6
That's what makes him a great target for extending him now. With two and a half seasons remaining where he has no guarantee, signing long-term to a discount rate and a guaranteed payday could be very attractive. Of course if he isn't interested, you can just use him through the seasons where you have team control. If you decide to flip him for prospects before the 2021 season starts, you just might have someone in the minors who does well on defense at the shortstop position and hits like a corner outfielder who's ready for the bigs. Of course the chance that you'll have someone like that (or can trade for with another team that will exchange similar level of talent/cost/length of control for a position they need to fill) won't be good at all if you've already spent your farm talent for two-year rentals on guys like Realmuto. This is how I feel about Correa. While he plays a more defensively difficult position than Springer, I really see him as a 3B who plays SS, and it’s also a position in which I care more about defense than offense. Correa hits exceptionally well for a SS, but it’s more of a luxury than a necessity for this team especially. Also, he is less able to carry a team on offense than Springer, which is why I’d prefer to sign him to an extension even if George is streaky. Finally, Bregman can play SS if need be so Correa is expendable in that regard. I would work harder to extend Springer than Correa. If we are sure we want to keep Carlos, we need to start working on an extension for him as well as Springer. If the Yankees want Correa and make an offer he likes, he is gone. I remember little comments he has made that makes me think he would love playing in NY. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 12:42:26 GMT -6
It will all depend on Correa.
Would he sign and stay for 15m per?
Who knows. But at some point these guys talking Legacy need to understand they make alot of money and that it takes money to resign players to keep in a legacy.
Note: this is why I said I wouldnt go over 20m per for Springer and nothing over 3yrs. I would give him options on yrs 4 and 5 just to give him the hindsight to try and stay motivated to stay healthy and in shape and not take it for granted. Also making him give the reins up in CF to control his health alittle better.
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 12:43:55 GMT -6
This is how I feel about Correa. While he plays a more defensively difficult position than Springer, I really see him as a 3B who plays SS, and it’s also a position in which I care more about defense than offense. Correa hits exceptionally well for a SS, but it’s more of a luxury than a necessity for this team especially. Also, he is less able to carry a team on offense than Springer, which is why I’d prefer to sign him to an extension even if George is streaky. Finally, Bregman can play SS if need be so Correa is expendable in that regard. I would work harder to extend Springer than Correa. If we are sure we want to keep Carlos, we need to start working on an extension for him as well as Springer. If the Yankees want Correa and make an offer he likes, he is gone. I remember little comments he has made that makes me think he would love playing in NY. Hince the reason I would talk all the way up to the deadline of his final year. There has been crazy deals before at the deadline way over pays. Im sure we could fleece them of some players by then |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 12:56:52 GMT -6
I was looking at the Pirates and the trade they talked about and looked into a trade with the Blue Jays aswell.
Which one sounds better to you guys.
1.Astros get:
SP Marcus Stroman
Blue Jays get:
RHP JB Bukauskas
OF Derek Fisher
RHP Bryan Abreu
1B Tyler White
Or
2. Astros get:
SP Jameson Taillon
RP Felipe Valzquez
1B Josh Bell
Pirates get:
SP Josh James
CF Jake Marisnick
3B Abraham Toro
SP Rogelio Armentaros
OF Ross Adolph
SP Christian Javier
I took the top one off Clutchfans site. The Stroman ideal trade
The second one I looked at the Pirates and there minor league and guestamated what I think they would need or want and what I would be comfortable with giving up.
Of course if you minus Josh Bell you could take off Toro and Javier i would believe
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 20, 2019 13:03:16 GMT -6
This is how I feel about Correa. While he plays a more defensively difficult position than Springer, I really see him as a 3B who plays SS, and it’s also a position in which I care more about defense than offense. Correa hits exceptionally well for a SS, but it’s more of a luxury than a necessity for this team especially. Also, he is less able to carry a team on offense than Springer, which is why I’d prefer to sign him to an extension even if George is streaky. Finally, Bregman can play SS if need be so Correa is expendable in that regard. I would work harder to extend Springer than Correa. If we are sure we want to keep Carlos, we need to start working on an extension for him as well as Springer. If the Yankees want Correa and make an offer he likes, he is gone. I remember little comments he has made that makes me think he would love playing in NY. George is in a situation where an extension at a discount salary would be a bit less attractive to him than it would be to Carlos. He already has significant earnings and he's closer to FA eligibility. Still, the guarantee might sway him. And in my opinion, either or both of these guys as core players for an extended time would put the Astros in a strong position as a contender for many years.
Moving Alex to short is in some ways robbing Peter to pay Paul. JMO
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 13:06:19 GMT -6
I would work harder to extend Springer than Correa. If we are sure we want to keep Carlos, we need to start working on an extension for him as well as Springer. If the Yankees want Correa and make an offer he likes, he is gone. I remember little comments he has made that makes me think he would love playing in NY. George is in a situation where an extension at a discount salary would be a bit less attractive to him than it would be to Carlos. He already has significant earnings and he's closer to FA eligibility. Still, the guarantee might sway him. And in my opinion, either or both of these guys as core players for an extended time would put the Astros in a strong position as a contender for many years.
Moving Alex to short is in some ways robbing Peter to pay Paul. JMO
Again they both have to understand they have a bug that sometimes cripples there value. Especially Correa. And if they dont understand that the Astros rise or died with them no matter what and that they should take not alot but just alittle less to stay and make a Dynasty or Legacy what ever they wanna call it. Then they werent meant to be here in the first place. You dont just pay them to pay them you pay them to stay healthy on the field and be roll models for the guys comming up threw the minors. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 20, 2019 13:09:12 GMT -6
I would work harder to extend Springer than Correa. If we are sure we want to keep Carlos, we need to start working on an extension for him as well as Springer. If the Yankees want Correa and make an offer he likes, he is gone. I remember little comments he has made that makes me think he would love playing in NY. Hince the reason I would talk all the way up to the deadline of his final year. There has been crazy deals before at the deadline way over pays. Im sure we could fleece them of some players by then Do you recall any of these 'crazy' deadline deals that included ML-ready players of quality? I don't. They tend to be with teams that are going into rebuild mode and want top prospects on the return.
And you definitely won't get a player to sign at a discount salary at the deadline of his final year. It just doesn't happen.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 20, 2019 13:15:01 GMT -6
George is in a situation where an extension at a discount salary would be a bit less attractive to him than it would be to Carlos. He already has significant earnings and he's closer to FA eligibility. Still, the guarantee might sway him. And in my opinion, either or both of these guys as core players for an extended time would put the Astros in a strong position as a contender for many years. Moving Alex to short is in some ways robbing Peter to pay Paul. JMO
Again they both have to understand they have a bug that sometimes cripples there value. Especially Correa. And if they dont understand that the Astros rise or died with them no matter what and that they should take not alot but just alittle less to stay and make a Dynasty or Legacy what ever they wanna call it. Then they werent meant to be here in the first place. You dont just pay them to pay them you pay them to stay healthy on the field and be roll models for the guys comming up threw the minors. Now you're just being silly. |
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Post by Saint on May 20, 2019 13:24:53 GMT -6
It's always easy to think an athlete should be able to take less money since it's already so much, but very few people (us included) would give up extra millions if we didn't have to. Especially if they already brought a city their first championship ever. They don't owe us anything.
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 13:35:58 GMT -6
Again they both have to understand they have a bug that sometimes cripples there value. Especially Correa. And if they dont understand that the Astros rise or died with them no matter what and that they should take not alot but just alittle less to stay and make a Dynasty or Legacy what ever they wanna call it. Then they werent meant to be here in the first place. You dont just pay them to pay them you pay them to stay healthy on the field and be roll models for the guys comming up threw the minors. Now you're just being silly. How so? You want team players? You wanna make comments on social mefia about dynasty and legacy's but you dont wanna be fair to us as we have you when you were hurt you were still our guy u were the one we wanted no matter what anyone said about ur health. How is that fair to ys when we were fair to u? O thats wright I play a kids sport there for you must pay me top dollar or Ill go some where else to get paid the big bucks. How did that work out for Keuchal??? Js guys If you think Springer is worth 25m then why cant he sign for 20m to help the team overall? And move outta CF to protect his health? Its kinda like what you see with Brantley....... have you noticed he hits better at DH? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 13:37:48 GMT -6
It's always easy to think an athlete should be able to take less money since it's already so much, but very few people (us included) would give up extra millions if we didn't have to. Especially if they already brought a city their first championship ever. They don't owe us anything. Some players do. Springer and Correa are in the same boat. Injurys and high risk Postions. CF is probubly the worst of the two because there is alot more running and diving. We dont want a Potluck on our hands like the Dodgers have. And Correa is always having some kinds issue some where. When doea the team finally say Bregman SS Correa 3B? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 20, 2019 13:52:46 GMT -6
It's always easy to think an athlete should be able to take less money since it's already so much, but very few people (us included) would give up extra millions if we didn't have to. Especially if they already brought a city their first championship ever. They don't owe us anything. When a player gets drafted out of HS or college, the only choice they have is to sign on with the organization that drafted them or decline and wait until next year and see who might possibly pick them. Or just choose a different career. Through their entire minors career and SIX YEARS of ML service, they are obligated to play for the team they're with OR for the team they're traded to. They have absolutely no say in the matter. After that, they've already paid their dues. They can choose who they play for and negotiate freely for any deal that suits them and the team who is interested. To suggest they don't have every right to do that is complete and utter nonsense. Baseball is a business as well as a sport. And that's true on both sides. The team and the players. Anyone who can't understand that doesn't have a clue about baseball. |
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Post by Saint on May 20, 2019 13:55:55 GMT -6
Add on to that, a good portion of these guys aren't rocket scientists. What they make in their playing careers is probably most of their future income. Some will get involved in broadcasting or coaching, but only a small percentage.
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Post by Saint on May 20, 2019 13:56:52 GMT -6
It's always easy to think an athlete should be able to take less money since it's already so much, but very few people (us included) would give up extra millions if we didn't have to. Especially if they already brought a city their first championship ever. They don't owe us anything. Some players do. Springer and Correa are in the same boat. Injurys and high risk Postions. CF is probubly the worst of the two because there is alot more running and diving. We dont want a Potluck on our hands like the Dodgers have. And Correa is always having some kinds issue some where. When doea the team finally say Bregman SS Correa 3B? Injuries or not, both of those guys are looking at a minimum of $120 million plus as free agents (and potentially much more). |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 20, 2019 14:08:43 GMT -6
Add on to that, a good portion of these guys aren't rocket scientists. What they make in their playing careers is probably most of their future income. Some will get involved in broadcasting or coaching, but only a small percentage. I wouldn't worry much about players who have made it to the majors. Even if their careers are relatively short, MLB has a pretty darned good healthcare plan (for life) and pension plan. It's the guys who spend years in the minors but don't reach the level of performance to merit promotion to the bigs who get left out in the cold. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 14:14:02 GMT -6
Some players do. Springer and Correa are in the same boat. Injurys and high risk Postions. CF is probubly the worst of the two because there is alot more running and diving. We dont want a Potluck on our hands like the Dodgers have. And Correa is always having some kinds issue some where. When doea the team finally say Bregman SS Correa 3B? Injuries or not, both of those guys are looking at a minimum of $120 million plus as free agents (and potentially much more). I dont see it with Springer. This is his first really good season compared to his other years of service. He still has two years to stay steady. We shall see. Correa is finally healthy in most eyes and that to me is why he wont get paid that much. He still has like three years. So to me if im the Astros I play the Arb game with him. If he finishes this year healthy and next i would really consider a long term deal for him. Springer on the other hand I would offer him 3yrs 63 million team options on a 4th and 5th year at 23.5 million per.and make it mandatory he moves outta CF. Players give discounts. Maybe one of these guys will do the Astros a Solid. Springer also has to understand they do have three guys ready to come up and should be here as we speak but are currently blocked. So we arent really hand cuffed to him He is just a fan favorite who is having a hell of a Career year. Its a business yes. But sometimes you have to put your pride aside and stay where you win. Instead of money where your mouth is. This is the problem with teams they tend to pay the fan favorites and then two years down the road or shall i say the year they start gettong paid they end up LIKE HARPER. Pffft. Boy am i glad all those rumors where false that the Astros where gonna push for him. Jesus |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 14:14:46 GMT -6
Add on to that, a good portion of these guys aren't rocket scientists. What they make in their playing careers is probably most of their future income. Some will get involved in broadcasting or coaching, but only a small percentage. I wouldn't worry much about players who have made it to the majors. Even if their careers are relatively short, MLB has a pretty darned good healthcare plan (for life) and pension plan. It's the guys who spend years in the minors but don't reach the level of performance to merit promotion to the bigs who get left out in the cold. And theres 100s of them a yr. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 14:18:49 GMT -6
Man is NY like the laughing stock of all Teams NBA, NFL and MLB?
Jesus its like if it cant get any worse.
Are they competing in the
"Hold my Beer" Compation with each other?
Omg
Bad decisions by players and GMs and Coaches.
Y. CESPADES could have career ending injurys. Breaks both ankles while on IL riding his horse. Wow
Knicks lets loose evwry game on purpose and get the 1st pick in the deaft and Draft "Zion" not.
Giants Well lets trade OBJ... QB of the Future hell why not ...Daniel Jones.crickets.
Jets lets sign L.Bell... fire GM because the coach hates him Gates i would rather trade Bell. Wow wow wow
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 14:21:40 GMT -6
I would work harder to extend Springer than Correa. If we are sure we want to keep Carlos, we need to start working on an extension for him as well as Springer. If the Yankees want Correa and make an offer he likes, he is gone. I remember little comments he has made that makes me think he would love playing in NY. George is in a situation where an extension at a discount salary would be a bit less attractive to him than it would be to Carlos. He already has significant earnings and he's closer to FA eligibility. Still, the guarantee might sway him. And in my opinion, either or both of these guys as core players for an extended time would put the Astros in a strong position as a contender for many years.
Moving Alex to short is in some ways robbing Peter to pay Paul. JMO
Ideally, I’d prefer Bregman at 2B instead of SS if they had to move him, but Altuve is entrenched there. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 14:26:06 GMT -6
Now you're just being silly. If you think Springer is worth 25m then why cant he sign for 20m to help the team overall? Let’s put it this way. If you really wanted and felt you deserved $20/hour at your job, would you be satisfied with $16/hour? |
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Post by Saint on May 20, 2019 14:40:28 GMT -6
Injuries or not, both of those guys are looking at a minimum of $120 million plus as free agents (and potentially much more). I dont see it with Springer. This is his first really good season compared to his other years of service. He still has two years to stay steady. We shall see. Correa is finally healthy in most eyes and that to me is why he wont get paid that much. He still has like three years. So to me if im the Astros I play the Arb game with him. If he finishes this year healthy and next i would really consider a long term deal for him. Springer on the other hand I would offer him 3yrs 63 million team options on a 4th and 5th year at 23.5 million per.and make it mandatory he moves outta CF. Players give discounts. Maybe one of these guys will do the Astros a Solid. Springer also has to understand they do have three guys ready to come up and should be here as we speak but are currently blocked. So we arent really hand cuffed to him He is just a fan favorite who is having a hell of a Career year. Its a business yes. But sometimes you have to put your pride aside and stay where you win. Instead of money where your mouth is. This is the problem with teams they tend to pay the fan favorites and then two years down the road or shall i say the year they start gettong paid they end up LIKE HARPER. Pffft. Boy am i glad all those rumors where false that the Astros where gonna push for him. Jesus You think this is his first good year? This is his first year trending towards "elite" but he has been very good his whole career. Before this year he was a 127 OPS+ 3.7 WAR player on average, while being a respectable outfielder. His average season consisted of 24 HR 66 RBI 87 Runs with a .265/.356/.468 line. And that's not even considering his 1.000+ OPS in the postseason. That's way better than "just a fan favorite". That's all-star caliber performance on a routine basis with elite caliber performance in the postseason. All that while missing significant time his first two seasons with injuries. We have Springer for 2020 and then he is a free agent. We have Correa for two more seasons after 2019 and then he is a free agent. The only thing that could hurt Springer from making really big money after next season would be his age. He'll be 30 years old and most teams won't want to pursue more than 4-5 seasons with him. Correa, on the other hand, will only be 27 years old. He could, and probably will, get around a 6-7 year deal worth upwards of $200 million or more. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 14:44:46 GMT -6
I dont see it with Springer. This is his first really good season compared to his other years of service. He still has two years to stay steady. We shall see. Correa is finally healthy in most eyes and that to me is why he wont get paid that much. He still has like three years. So to me if im the Astros I play the Arb game with him. If he finishes this year healthy and next i would really consider a long term deal for him. Springer on the other hand I would offer him 3yrs 63 million team options on a 4th and 5th year at 23.5 million per.and make it mandatory he moves outta CF. Players give discounts. Maybe one of these guys will do the Astros a Solid. Springer also has to understand they do have three guys ready to come up and should be here as we speak but are currently blocked. So we arent really hand cuffed to him He is just a fan favorite who is having a hell of a Career year. Its a business yes. But sometimes you have to put your pride aside and stay where you win. Instead of money where your mouth is. This is the problem with teams they tend to pay the fan favorites and then two years down the road or shall i say the year they start gettong paid they end up LIKE HARPER. Pffft. Boy am i glad all those rumors where false that the Astros where gonna push for him. Jesus You think this is his first good year? This is his first year trending towards "elite" but he has been very good his whole career. Before this year he was a 127 OPS+ 3.7 WAR player on average, while being a respectable outfielder. His average season consisted of 24 HR 66 RBI 87 Runs with a .265/.356/.468 line. And that's not even considering his 1.000+ OPS in the postseason. That's way better than "just a fan favorite". That's all-star caliber performance on a routine basis with elite caliber performance in the postseason. All that while missing significant time his first two seasons with injuries. We have Springer for 2020 and then he is a free agent. We have Correa for two more seasons after 2019 and then he is a free agent. The only thing that could hurt Springer from making really big money after next season would be his age. He'll be 30 years old and most teams won't want to pursue more than 4-5 seasons with him. Correa, on the other hand, will only be 27 years old. He could, and probably will, get around a 6-7 year deal worth upwards of $200 million or more. Not even worth arguing. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 20, 2019 14:49:27 GMT -6
It's always easy to think an athlete should be able to take less money since it's already so much, but very few people (us included) would give up extra millions if we didn't have to. Especially if they already brought a city their first championship ever. They don't owe us anything. One thing that can help us extend players is the fact that Texas has no state income tax. |
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Post by Saint on May 20, 2019 14:52:01 GMT -6
If you think Springer is worth 25m then why cant he sign for 20m to help the team overall? Let’s put it this way. If you really wanted and felt you deserved $20/hour at your job, would you be satisfied with $16/hour? Nah, bro. I'm cool with a 20-25% decrease in pay just because I want to help out my work. |
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Post by Saint on May 20, 2019 14:55:26 GMT -6
It's always easy to think an athlete should be able to take less money since it's already so much, but very few people (us included) would give up extra millions if we didn't have to. Especially if they already brought a city their first championship ever. They don't owe us anything. One thing that can help us extend players is the fact that Texas has no state income tax. Yeah, that gets brought up a lot too. I've been hearing that ever since Beltran was considering us or NYC. I don't think players care to put as much importance in that as we do. Especially if they think it helps their "brand" to be a in a larger city or a city with more sponsorship opportunities. |
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