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Post by blcoach8 on May 20, 2019 15:00:55 GMT -6
One thing that can help us extend players is the fact that Texas has no state income tax. Yeah, that gets brought up a lot too. I've been hearing that ever since Beltran was considering us or NYC. I don't think players care to put as much importance in that as we do. Especially if they think it helps their "brand" to be a in a larger city or a city with more sponsorship opportunities. depends on the player. I think Springer would put more stock in not having a state income tax that Correa. Carlos is the type that wants the attention he could get in NY |
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Post by Saint on May 20, 2019 15:09:21 GMT -6
Yeah, that gets brought up a lot too. I've been hearing that ever since Beltran was considering us or NYC. I don't think players care to put as much importance in that as we do. Especially if they think it helps their "brand" to be a in a larger city or a city with more sponsorship opportunities. depends on the player. I think Springer would put more stock in not having a state income tax that Correa. Carlos is the type that wants the attention he could get in NY Yeah but I believe Springer has said he'd like to be closer to home. Boston could use a more productive CFer pretty soon and/or RFer if Mookie is going to demand the moon (and it looks like he will). |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 20, 2019 15:11:47 GMT -6
depends on the player. I think Springer would put more stock in not having a state income tax that Correa. Carlos is the type that wants the attention he could get in NY Yeah but I believe Springer has said he'd like to be closer to home. Boston could use a more productive CFer pretty soon and/or RFer if Mookie is going to demand the moon (and it looks like he will). Losing both would really hurt. You can't put stock into a lot the player says but I recall Correa saying he would like to play beside Altuve the rest of his career. |
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Post by Saint on May 20, 2019 15:17:36 GMT -6
Yeah but I believe Springer has said he'd like to be closer to home. Boston could use a more productive CFer pretty soon and/or RFer if Mookie is going to demand the moon (and it looks like he will). Losing both would really hurt. You can't put stock into a lot the player says but I recall Correa saying he would like to play beside Altuve the rest of his career. It would be a pretty nice tandem to watch for another half a decade, but he's going to be worth a lot of money if he keeps up at this level again. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 15:21:06 GMT -6
Let’s put it this way. If you really wanted and felt you deserved $20/hour at your job, would you be satisfied with $16/hour? Nah, bro. I'm cool with a 20-25% decrease in pay just because I want to help out my work. Pero you no want give hometowns discount??? |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 20, 2019 15:21:29 GMT -6
Losing both would really hurt. You can't put stock into a lot the player says but I recall Correa saying he would like to play beside Altuve the rest of his career. It would be a pretty nice tandem to watch for another half a decade, but he's going to be worth a lot of money if he keeps up at this level again. Crane can afford to do it if he wants to. Astros merchandise and tickets are selling more than ever before. We have the revenue to sign whoever we want. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 15:25:08 GMT -6
It would be a pretty nice tandem to watch for another half a decade, but he's going to be worth a lot of money if he keeps up at this level again. Crane can afford to do it if he wants to. Astros merchandise and tickets are selling more than ever before. We have the revenue to sign whoever we want. Who’d have ever thought we’d be saying this about a guy who really had to use all his resources just to buy the team from Drayton? |
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Post by Saint on May 20, 2019 15:28:54 GMT -6
It would be a pretty nice tandem to watch for another half a decade, but he's going to be worth a lot of money if he keeps up at this level again. Crane can afford to do it if he wants to. Astros merchandise and tickets are selling more than ever before. We have the revenue to sign whoever we want. Yeah but we already have $300 million tied up in Altuve, Bregman, and Verlander. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 15:35:06 GMT -6
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 19:06:21 GMT -6
If you think Springer is worth 25m then why cant he sign for 20m to help the team overall? Let’s put it this way. If you really wanted and felt you deserved $20/hour at your job, would you be satisfied with $16/hour? If it meant keeping my job being so.e where i do great at and win at. Hell yea |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 19:08:42 GMT -6
Man is NY like the laughing stock of all Teams NBA, NFL and MLB? Jesus its like if it cant get any worse. Are they competing in the "Hold my Beer" Compation with each other? Omg Bad decisions by players and GMs and Coaches. Y. CESPADES could have career ending injurys. Breaks both ankles while on IL riding his horse. Wow Knicks lets loose evwry game on purpose and get the 1st pick in the deaft and Draft "Zion" not. Giants Well lets trade OBJ... QB of the Future hell why not ...Daniel Jones.crickets. Jets lets sign L.Bell... fire GM because the coach hates him Gates i would rather trade Bell. Wow wow wow Anyone? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 19:09:40 GMT -6
I think CESPADES should have stayed off the ole town road.. js
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 20:30:58 GMT -6
Let’s put it this way. If you really wanted and felt you deserved $20/hour at your job, would you be satisfied with $16/hour? If it meant keeping my job being so.e where i do great at and win at. Hell yea So, you’re saying the Astros will be the only contender for a championship? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 20:43:05 GMT -6
If it meant keeping my job being so.e where i do great at and win at. Hell yea So, you’re saying the Astros will be the only contender for a championship? No not by along shot. But I am saying if it aint broke dont fix it. Why change everything to go to another team for alittle more money and possibly not fit, you gotta learn everything new and learn the people the fans all over again and your team mates. When you can stay have security and know everything already? You guys speak like your in the UNION? I hate the UNIONS. Js. But again is is loved here he loves it here. So why move and start over when you already know the rutine |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 20, 2019 20:46:05 GMT -6
So, you’re saying the Astros will be the only contender for a championship? No not by along shot. But I am saying if it aint broke dont fix it. Why change everything to go to another team for alittle more money and possibly not fit, you gotta learn everything new and learn the people the fans all over again and your team mates. When you can stay have security and know everything already? You guys speak like your in the UNION? I hate the UNIONS. Js. But again is is loved here he loves it here. So why move and start over when you already know the rutine Porque dinero, mi hijo. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 20, 2019 21:27:57 GMT -6
No not by along shot. But I am saying if it aint broke dont fix it. Why change everything to go to another team for alittle more money and possibly not fit, you gotta learn everything new and learn the people the fans all over again and your team mates. When you can stay have security and know everything already? You guys speak like your in the UNION? I hate the UNIONS. Js. But again is is loved here he loves it here. So why move and start over when you already know the rutine Porque dinero, mi hijo. Sí señor. El dinero habla. ¡El toro poo-poo camina! |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 20, 2019 21:53:24 GMT -6
Sí señor. El dinero habla. ¡El toro poo-poo camina! I will have what she is having. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 20, 2019 22:14:05 GMT -6
Sí señor. El dinero habla. ¡El toro poo-poo camina! I will have what she is having. Great movie scene. Did you know that was Rob Reiner's mom? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 22:30:30 GMT -6
para poder firmar a George Springer, debe poder firmar un contrato de 3 años con las opciones del equipo por un cuarto y quinto año. 18 millones para los primeros 3. luego 25 millones en los últimos 2.
Js i speaky
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 20, 2019 22:42:16 GMT -6
VooDoo, none of that means a damned thing if you aren't specific about when the contract starts.
Are you talking about giving him a raise to $18million this season? The three years at $18million starts next year? The three years at $18 million starts at his first year of free-agency? What?
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 22:51:53 GMT -6
Next year before the league year starts.
2020 18m. 30yrs
2021 18m. 31yrs
2022 18m. 32yrs
Team option
2023 25m. 33yrs
2024 25m. 34yrs
2025 25m. 35yrs
I would not go past 2025 or the age of 35yrs old. This is the area where teams mess up amd give them contracts till there in there late 30s and the player falls off the shelf and well they get stuck because of all the no trade clauses.
The other stipulation to the Contract would be by the year 2022 no more CF only Corner spots. Due to the rigorous amount of amount of diving and running in CF I wouldnt wanna hurt my investment.
Thats me. No one cares but you have to look at it like I see it.
Age equals decline, Injurys and freak accedents(CESPADES).
Players get complacently retarded as they get older thinking there still young and can bounce back fast. But thats not the case.
Arent you tired of seeing players like Miggy, Longoria or shall I say BOBBY BONILLA or even ALEX RODRIGUEZ still getting payed well after they retire because the team is just that damn dumb to sign them to long term deals like that?
I dont want the Astros to do the same and everyone be like well he used to be good now he sucks and I cant believe we did that kinda contract like that we are bottom dwellers
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 20, 2019 22:56:27 GMT -6
My prime example
Got signed by the Dodgers...
Where is he at again???
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 21, 2019 0:24:21 GMT -6
Next year before the league year starts. 2020 18m. 30yrs 2021 18m. 31yrs 2022 18m. 32yrs Team option 2023 25m. 33yrs 2024 25m. 34yrs 2025 25m. 35yrs Dude! You can't even remember from one post to the next what the deal is you're offering. Last post it was a five year deal with the last two at $25M, this year it's six with the last three at $25M. WTF? Anyway that's a pretty lame deal. If I was George, I'd turn it down. He's already making $12M this season and will probably get $16M through arbitration. So he gets a $2M bump for 2020 if he commits to two additional years at a rate far lower than might make in free agency? Pass. The three years at $25M with a team option but without a buyout clause are totally meaningless. His agent would be a fool if he fell for that shit. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 21, 2019 8:34:46 GMT -6
Im just saying a deal like that i would touch him at the age of 35urs old.
The team options are there to be declined if we dont really need him.
The 25m is the incentive to get him to agree on the first three years.
I have said he should sign with us between 16m to 18m
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 21, 2019 9:43:29 GMT -6
The team options are there to be declined if we dont really need him. Of course. That gives the team all the power and gives the player absolutely none. The 25m is the incentive to get him to agree on the first three years. Wrong. Years which are team option without a buyout clause offer absolutely no incentive for a player. Zero. Zip. Nada. You could make the salary $100 million per year and it wouldn't make any difference. The team would just opt out at that time and owe the player nothing. If someone insulted my intelligence by offering me a contract like that, I'd tell him to go pound sand up his ass! |
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The team options are there to be declined if we dont really need him. Of course. That gives the team all the power and gives the player absolutely none. The 25m is the incentive to get him to agree on the first three years. Wrong. Years which are team option without a buyout clause offer absolutely no incentive for a player. Zero. Zip. Nada. You could make the salary $100 million per year and it wouldn't make any difference. The team would just opt out at that time and owe the player nothing. If someone insulted my intelligence by offering me a contract like that, I'd tell him to go pound sand up his ass!  |
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Post by talshill on May 21, 2019 14:48:19 GMT -6
For next year Houston has 7 players (Verlander, Altuve, Pressly, Yuli, Reddick, Bregman and Brantley) for a total of 121.5 million. They control Springer, Osuna, Correa, McCuller, Diaz, Marisnick, Peacock, Devenski and Stassi. Those 9 players' salaries add up to around 37 million this year, will probably be north of 50 million next. So 16 players under control for ~ 171 million. Kemp, White, Valdez and James make about 2.5 combined, so probably 3 million next year. Twenty players, 174 million. The cap is 208 million next season, so Houston is 34 million under, but you still have to decide who you're going to retain and how much they'll make. The goners are possibly Joe Smith (8 million), Harris (4.2), Miley (4.5), McHugh (5.8) and Chirinos (5.75).
So, the question becomes how do we massage the cap to keep Cole (if that's possible)? How do you fit Springer in long-term? Correa? Do they cut bait on (trade) Reddick, and plug in Tucker? Do they trade Yuli, who also has two arb years left after his contract runs out in '20. They're going to have to hit on some of the call-ups. Tucker, Alvarez, Whitley, etc. have to do well.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 21, 2019 14:49:16 GMT -6
Breaking. Collin McHugh is going on the 10-day injured list with right elbow discomfort. The Astros recalled Brady Rodgers
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Post by blcoach8 on May 21, 2019 15:07:11 GMT -6
Breaking. Collin McHugh is going on the 10-day injured list with right elbow discomfort. The Astros recalled Brady Rodgers I am not surprised as I thought something was strange when Valdez was left in the game against Boston on Sunday. Still makes sense to me to send Devenski down and bring up a position player. Why do we need 8 relievers? Rodgers and Tucker would make sense. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 21, 2019 16:39:57 GMT -6
For next year Houston has 7 players (Verlander, Altuve, Pressly, Yuli, Reddick, Bregman and Brantley) for a total of 121.5 million. They control Springer, Osuna, Correa, McCuller, Diaz, Marisnick, Peacock, Devenski and Stassi. Those 9 players' salaries add up to around 37 million this year, will probably be north of 50 million next. So 16 players under control for ~ 171 million. Kemp, White, Valdez and James make about 2.5 combined, so probably 3 million next year. Twenty players, 174 million. The cap is 208 million next season, so Houston is 34 million under, but you still have to decide who you're going to retain and how much they'll make. The goners are possibly Joe Smith (8 million), Harris (4.2), Miley (4.5), McHugh (5.8) and Chirinos (5.75). So, the question becomes how do we massage the cap to keep Cole (if that's possible)? How do you fit Springer in long-term? Correa? Do they cut bait on (trade) Reddick, and plug in Tucker? Do they trade Yuli, who also has two arb years left after his contract runs out in '20. They're going to have to hit on some of the call-ups. Tucker, Alvarez, Whitley, etc. have to do well. This is what i was talking about all offseason. REDDICK AND Yuli costing around 20million for both. Sure they are doing good at the moment. But when you refuse to trade a player to get better TUCKER then he should be playing today in our OF. Not in the minors. If he cant hit ML pitching then why say he is untouchable? The only way we are gonna get hom to have a chance to play and see ML pitching is on the roster batting every day or every other day. He is doing nothing in the minors. So if the WRIGHT trade comes along that adds a young controllable player like Taillon of the Pirates would you deal Tucker for him or as a piece to get him and more? Marcus Stroman? How about Caleb Smith in Miami? Js ask yourself how are we gonna keep these guys under the Cap and still compete? You all ragged on me i was just looking forward into the future alittle bit. |
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