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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 19, 2019 22:36:48 GMT -6
If the Astros got himfor cheap, then yes, but I don't think he will be a big contributor this year, he might be a burden....but give Strom, the pitcher whisper, a long off-season with Chris, then I would see him being a major factor for the team. I think thats kinda what they are saying. Trade Archer but to make it worth while to the Astros you might have to add in Vazquez. With the way Osuna has been going and out bullpen it would be worth the risk on Archer if we could add Vazquez. Archer gets that wierd spot in the Bullpen Long Relief Pitcher and spot duty so Strom can work with him. Pretty sure you could add a Devenski in the deal to open atleast one roster spot. But Vazquez beside Pressley and Osuna would be a very good 8 and 9th innings |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2019 3:46:26 GMT -6
Jason Marbach (writer of your article) is a fecking idiot. Plus, he swore that he would no longer follow the Astros when they signed Osuna...he even gave up ownership of his Astros Facebook group. Oh yeah, he’s a smug know-it-all. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2019 6:07:38 GMT -6
If the Astros got himfor cheap, then yes, but I don't think he will be a big contributor this year, he might be a burden....but give Strom, the pitcher whisper, a long off-season with Chris, then I would see him being a major factor for the team. I think thats kinda what they are saying. Trade Archer but to make it worth while to the Astros you might have to add in Vazquez. With the way Osuna has been going and out bullpen it would be worth the risk on Archer if we could add Vazquez. Archer gets that wierd spot in the Bullpen Long Relief Pitcher and spot duty so Strom can work with him. Pretty sure you could add a Devenski in the deal to open atleast one roster spot. But Vazquez beside Pressley and Osuna would be a very good 8 and 9th innings Do you know how expensive Vazquez makes the deal? They would demand an untouchable.. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 20, 2019 7:56:19 GMT -6
I think thats kinda what they are saying. Trade Archer but to make it worth while to the Astros you might have to add in Vazquez. With the way Osuna has been going and out bullpen it would be worth the risk on Archer if we could add Vazquez. Archer gets that wierd spot in the Bullpen Long Relief Pitcher and spot duty so Strom can work with him. Pretty sure you could add a Devenski in the deal to open atleast one roster spot. But Vazquez beside Pressley and Osuna would be a very good 8 and 9th innings Do you know how expensive Vazquez makes the deal? They would demand an untouchable.. Would they with Archers crappy contract? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2019 8:28:59 GMT -6
Do you know how expensive Vazquez makes the deal? They would demand an untouchable.. Would they with Archers crappy contract? If you remember the article, Archer's contract is not crappy.....and they wouldn't have to package Vazquez, they could just trade by himself and ask a king's ransomm for him... Archer, with his high ceiling,will still probably fetch a teams's top 10 and 20 prospect. Vazquez, with his great production and team control, will get an untouchable and two more top ten....His asking price could be in the realm of what Cleveland would ask for Hand. I really hate when a team has to trade away top prospects for a Reliever. Relievers should be grown from within or signed. If traded for, they should not be headliner in the trade, if they are, then you have failed cultivating from within. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 20, 2019 9:05:28 GMT -6
The point this guy makes about the 2-seamer is still valid. Like m420 mentioned Strom told Gerrit to stop throwing sinkers after he left Pittsburgh, and he's been better as a result. Whether no one wants
Archer or not, he does fit the profile of a starter that the front office considers targeting. Especially since the Pirates can't demand blue chips for someone currently stinking up the joint
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2019 10:18:13 GMT -6
The point this guy makes about the 2-seamer is still valid. Like m420 mentioned Strom told Gerrit to stop throwing sinkers after he left Pittsburgh, and he's been better as a result. Whether no one wants
Archer or not, he does fit the profile of a starter that the front office considers targeting. Especially since the Pirates can't demand blue chips for someone currently stinking up the joint
I think he'd be a decent pickup for past this season, but I don't believe they can fix him quick enough to be the boost we need for the postseason. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 20, 2019 11:07:36 GMT -6
The point this guy makes about the 2-seamer is still valid. Like m420 mentioned Strom told Gerrit to stop throwing sinkers after he left Pittsburgh, and he's been better as a result. Whether no one wants
Archer or not, he does fit the profile of a starter that the front office considers targeting. Especially since the Pirates can't demand blue chips for someone currently stinking up the joint
I think he'd be a decent pickup for past this season, but I don't believe they can fix him quick enough to be the boost we need for the postseason. Might be a pen guy/spot starter this year. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2019 12:07:44 GMT -6
I think he'd be a decent pickup for past this season, but I don't believe they can fix him quick enough to be the boost we need for the postseason. Might be a pen guy/spot starter this year. Potentially. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2019 12:09:14 GMT -6
We're going to need help in the bullpen later on. Whether that's Peacock, or McHugh when he comes back, or a FA it doesn't matter, but Pressly, Harris, and Osuna will get burned out with as much as we are using them.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 20, 2019 12:10:38 GMT -6
We're going to need help in the bullpen later on. Whether that's Peacock, or McHugh when he comes back, or a FA it doesn't matter, but Pressly, Harris, and Osuna will get burned out with as much as we are using them. James? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 20, 2019 12:16:39 GMT -6
Drew Smyly
This might be an interesting story to watch as it unfolds. DFA's by the Rangers, so they'll be on the hook for the remainder of his $7 million salary this year. Unless someone claims him on the waiver wire. (Not gonna happen).
He'll have the right to refuse assignment to the minors. He could sign on with any other team and the Rangers will still be paying the freight. Could be a great low-risk reclamation project. Sign him to a minors contract (won't even need to be on the 40) and if he gets himself right, promote him to the bigs. Cost to the team would be pro-rated minimum wage (if he does get promoted) with the Rangers paying the balance.
Of course he could sign with anyone. But maybe he would consider the Astros as being a good bet for earning a ring if he gets back on track. idk.
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2019 12:16:56 GMT -6
We're going to need help in the bullpen later on. Whether that's Peacock, or McHugh when he comes back, or a FA it doesn't matter, but Pressly, Harris, and Osuna will get burned out with as much as we are using them. James? James has all kinds of potential, but do you think he is a go-to guy in the postseason? |
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2019 12:19:02 GMT -6
Drew SmylyThis might be an interesting story to watch as it unfolds. DFA's by the Rangers, so they'll be on the hook for the remainder of his $7 million salary this year. Unless someone claims him on the waiver wire. (Not gonna happen). He'll have the right to refuse assignment to the minors. He could sign on with any other team and the Rangers will still be paying the freight. Could be a great low-risk reclamation project. Sign him to a minors contract (won't even need to be on the 40) and if he gets himself right, promote him to the bigs. Cost to the team would be pro-rated minimum wage (if he does get promoted) with the Rangers paying the balance. Of course he could sign with anyone. But maybe he would consider the Astros as being a good bet for earning a ring if he gets back on track. idk. I just can't see him being anything at this point. He sucked in 2016, didn't play in 2017 or 2018, and then has sucked even harder in 2019. His K rate is solid, but those walk and HR rates are horrible. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 20, 2019 12:29:16 GMT -6
I just can't see him being anything at this point. He sucked in 2016, didn't play in 2017 or 2018, and then has sucked even harder in 2019. His K rate is solid, but those walk and HR rates are horrible. I think he'll be good again. This season? Maybe, maybe not. But the point is, if he signs to a minors contract it costs almost nothing to find out. Not even a roster spot, until he shows enough to make him worth one. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2019 12:43:07 GMT -6
I just can't see him being anything at this point. He sucked in 2016, didn't play in 2017 or 2018, and then has sucked even harder in 2019. His K rate is solid, but those walk and HR rates are horrible. I think he'll be good again. This season? Maybe, maybe not. But the point is, if he signs to a minors contract it costs almost nothing to find out. Not even a roster spot, until he shows enough to make him worth one. I'm normally big on ultra low risk players, but I'm not sure he would even upgrade our minor league pitching staffs that much while trying to find out if he can bounce back. He's certainly worth a move by somebody, but I don't think he's useful for us. Now if he was a catcher..... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2019 13:09:58 GMT -6
James has all kinds of potential, but do you think he is a go-to guy in the postseason? For the most part, he was last postseason. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2019 13:28:30 GMT -6
James has all kinds of potential, but do you think he is a go-to guy in the postseason? For the most part, he was last postseason. If he starts throwing 100+ consistently again, I'll reassess. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2019 15:41:51 GMT -6
I think he'll be good again. This season? Maybe, maybe not. But the point is, if he signs to a minors contract it costs almost nothing to find out. Not even a roster spot, until he shows enough to make him worth one. I'm normally big on ultra low risk players, but I'm not sure he would even upgrade our minor league pitching staffs that much while trying to find out if he can bounce back. He's certainly worth a move by somebody, but I don't think he's useful for us. Now if he was a catcher..... I think you underrate how badly a player does simply because of where he plays. On most teams, Stassi is unrosterable. However, he has the luxury of being on a team that is bursting at the seams with talent and that management can afford to hope that he comes through. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2019 15:44:29 GMT -6
For the most part, he was last postseason. If he starts throwing 100+ consistently again, I'll reassess. On that we agree. I feel like there’s more to it than what the team says. All they’ve said so far is that his injured quadriceps kept him from being a starter. In that loss to the Brewers, he was testing his shoulder in the dugout after his inning was up. I don’t think we’ve seen him since. |
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Post by marshall on Jun 20, 2019 15:54:47 GMT -6
I think thats kinda what they are saying. Trade Archer but to make it worth while to the Astros you might have to add in Vazquez. With the way Osuna has been going and out bullpen it would be worth the risk on Archer if we could add Vazquez. Archer gets that wierd spot in the Bullpen Long Relief Pitcher and spot duty so Strom can work with him. Pretty sure you could add a Devenski in the deal to open atleast one roster spot. But Vazquez beside Pressley and Osuna would be a very good 8 and 9th innings Do you know how expensive Vazquez makes the deal? They would demand an untouchable.. Negotiators trade value for value. If a player is over-performing his contract, he has positive trade value. It doesn't matter whether he's the best pitcher in baseball or not if his contract is commensurate with his performance. He has a net value of zero. If a player is under-performing his contract, he has negative value.
There may be differences of opinion on whether your staff can change the calculus, but any good GM will not be caught paying a premium in players for a player who is being paid what he's worth. Fans expect their GM to double pay by taking on the contract and giving away value in younger players. It has happened in the past (Steinbrenner), but those wackos are becoming scare.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 20, 2019 16:46:09 GMT -6
It doesn't matter whether he's the best pitcher in baseball or not if his contract is commensurate with his performance. He has a net value of zero. This is winter-trade thinking. You can definitely throw that right out the window at the deadline for rental players. Any GM in his right mind will pay more than 'zero' in terms of prospects for the best pitcher available at the deadline even if his salary is 'commensurate with his performance'. On a true rental, a half year of 'commensurate' salary is a bargain if it puts the team over the top, down the stretch and into the postseason. Also worth noting: For players with high salaries, the selling team will often kick in all or part of the remaining salary for a better return in prospects. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 20, 2019 17:26:32 GMT -6
The point this guy makes about the 2-seamer is still valid. Like m420 mentioned Strom told Gerrit to stop throwing sinkers after he left Pittsburgh, and he's been better as a result. Whether no one wants
Archer or not, he does fit the profile of a starter that the front office considers targeting. Especially since the Pirates can't demand blue chips for someone currently stinking up the joint
I think he'd be a decent pickup for past this season, but I don't believe they can fix him quick enough to be the boost we need for the postseason.
type of acquisitions
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Post by Saint on Jun 21, 2019 7:55:15 GMT -6
I'm normally big on ultra low risk players, but I'm not sure he would even upgrade our minor league pitching staffs that much while trying to find out if he can bounce back. He's certainly worth a move by somebody, but I don't think he's useful for us. Now if he was a catcher..... I think you underrate how badly a player does simply because of where he plays. On most teams, Stassi is unrosterable. However, he has the luxury of being on a team that is bursting at the seams with talent and that management can afford to hope that he comes through. Not at all. Stassi has been horrible at the plate this year. But that doesn't change the fact that he grades out very well as a receiver. I haven't looked this year, but last year every one of our starters was statistically considerably better when he caught than when Maldonado did (2.88 ERA to 3.49 for JV). Framing and receiving skills matter. It doesn't show up in his personal numbers, but it makes a difference for the team. And on a team where we do have plenty of offense (normally), it's valuable to have a catcher that helps make our pitchers even better. Especially a catcher making practically the league minimum. Now obviously he needs to do better to warrant more playing time, but, given his low cost, he does have value to the team for now. I'm totally open to getting somebody better, but I don't think that's our biggest need right now. Do you? |
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Post by Saint on Jun 21, 2019 7:56:34 GMT -6
I think he'd be a decent pickup for past this season, but I don't believe they can fix him quick enough to be the boost we need for the postseason.
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I think it might be somebody with a little more upside, but I mostly agree. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 21, 2019 13:54:06 GMT -6
Kaplan has a pretty good idea on the Rotation and Pen.
Believes that the Astros can Go get 2 SPs and Shift Peacock and Valdez back to the Pen for good.
Views Valdez and James as Stop gap guys in the rotation.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 21, 2019 15:35:14 GMT -6
I think you underrate how badly a player does simply because of where he plays. On most teams, Stassi is unrosterable. However, he has the luxury of being on a team that is bursting at the seams with talent and that management can afford to hope that he comes through. Not at all. Stassi has been horrible at the plate this year. But that doesn't change the fact that he grades out very well as a receiver. I haven't looked this year, but last year every one of our starters was statistically considerably better when he caught than when Maldonado did (2.88 ERA to 3.49 for JV). Framing and receiving skills matter. It doesn't show up in his personal numbers, but it makes a difference for the team. And on a team where we do have plenty of offense (normally), it's valuable to have a catcher that helps make our pitchers even better. Especially a catcher making practically the league minimum. Now obviously he needs to do better to warrant more playing time, but, given his low cost, he does have value to the team for now. I'm totally open to getting somebody better, but I don't think that's our biggest need right now. Do you? I contend that his value as a receiver plays highly on this team because there are so few holes in the lineup. Essentially, he has a sort of Ausmus status. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 21, 2019 15:36:38 GMT -6
Kaplan has a pretty good idea on the Rotation and Pen. Believes that the Astros can Go get 2 SPs and Shift Peacock and Valdez back to the Pen for good. Views Valdez and James as Stop gap guys in the rotation. If in fact they do need two SP’s, then that is a rare strike against Luhnow, who believed in putting two bullpen guys in the rotation. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 21, 2019 16:02:57 GMT -6
Kaplan has a pretty good idea on the Rotation and Pen. Believes that the Astros can Go get 2 SPs and Shift Peacock and Valdez back to the Pen for good. Views Valdez and James as Stop gap guys in the rotation. If in fact they do need two SP’s, then that is a rare strike against Luhnow, who believed in putting two bullpen guys in the rotation. We all knew (coach) that we needed pitching before the season started. It is time to go get some. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 21, 2019 16:35:33 GMT -6
If in fact they do need two SP’s, then that is a rare strike against Luhnow, who believed in putting two bullpen guys in the rotation. We all knew (coach) that we needed pitching before the season started. It is time to go get some. Yea its gonna be a wild thing to see when july comes around. We need Pitching in a Bad Bad way. And people who do well against yanks |
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