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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 13:45:41 GMT -6
Read into MadBum and his Injury past You've been playing this injury card regarding Bumgarner. But somehow your golden boy, Stroman gets a pass on missing nearly an entire season in 2015 with injuries (two) and half the season in 2018 with injuries. If it matters for one, it matters for both. I already planted my flowers in the garden this year and they're growing just fine. I don't need more fertilizer.  |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 14:12:28 GMT -6
Read into MadBum and his Injury past You've been playing this injury card regarding Bumgarner. But somehow your golden boy, Stroman gets a pass on missing nearly an entire season in 2015 with injuries (two) and half the season in 2018 with injuries. If it matters for one, it matters for both. I already planted my flowers in the garden this year and they're growing just fine. I don't need more fertilizer. I might borrow that saying. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 14:27:51 GMT -6
I might borrow that saying. You're welcome to. But any quotes of my great-great-granddaddy require acknowledgements. For instance, my great-great-granddaddy once said: "Son, you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't wipe your friends on the couch."
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 18, 2019 15:45:54 GMT -6
Some people have no idea what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 18, 2019 15:47:08 GMT -6
^^ what my dad used to say
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 15:52:48 GMT -6
Read into MadBum and his Injury past You've been playing this injury card regarding Bumgarner. But somehow your golden boy, Stroman gets a pass on missing nearly an entire season in 2015 with injuries (two) and half the season in 2018 with injuries. If it matters for one, it matters for both. I already planted my flowers in the garden this year and they're growing just fine. I don't need more fertilizer. Has Marcus Stroman showed signs of regressions? Nope Try again. If you could read into what he has had injurys from you could tell what its all about. He shows off runs his mouth and hurts himself |
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Post by m240 on Jun 18, 2019 16:15:54 GMT -6
I do not agree with anyone.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 16:35:57 GMT -6
You've been playing this injury card regarding Bumgarner. But somehow your golden boy, Stroman gets a pass on missing nearly an entire season in 2015 with injuries (two) and half the season in 2018 with injuries. If it matters for one, it matters for both. I already planted my flowers in the garden this year and they're growing just fine. I don't need more fertilizer. Has Marcus Stroman showed signs of regressions? Nope Nice try at weaseling out. You said injury history, not regression (this time). And Stroman definitely has injuries in his history. As far as your previous lie to support your claim of regression for Bumgarner ... "He has literally lost alittle over 2.5mph off his fast ball." (your words) Bullshit. Here's the reality. His average four-seam fastball this season is 92.2 mph. That's right in line with his career average. www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5524&position=P#pipitchvelocityThose are documented stats, not lies someone made up to support his narrative.  |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 16:38:02 GMT -6
Some people have no idea what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it ^^ what my dad used to say I like it.  |
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Post by marshall on Jun 18, 2019 16:43:59 GMT -6
I like ERA+ to indicate performance from week to week, but WAR has the advantage of discounting time out of the lineup for those who are injury prone.
One of the reasons I like Greinke over both Stroman and Madbum is his durability. But I've been waiting for Arizona to fade and it's not happening quickly enough.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 16:45:00 GMT -6
Some people have no idea what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it ^^ what my dad used to say I like it. If you're on laundry detail, and your mom sheets are wet, then I ran out of condoms. Sincerely, Dad |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 17:09:31 GMT -6
If you're on laundry detail, and your mom sheets are wet, then I ran out of condoms. Sincerely, Dad * slaps thomasj13 with two trout *  |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 17:17:15 GMT -6
If you're on laundry detail, and your mom sheets are wet, then I ran out of condoms. Sincerely, Dad * slaps thomasj13 with two trout * If it it smells like fish: Pappadeauxsnot Sincerely, Dad |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 17:32:18 GMT -6
Has Marcus Stroman showed signs of regressions? Nope Nice try at weaseling out. You said injury history, not regression (this time). And Stroman definitely has injuries in his history. As far as your previous lie to support your claim of regression for Bumgarner ... "He has literally lost alittle over 2.5mph off his fast ball." (your words) Bullshit. Here's the reality. His average four-seam fastball this season is 92.2 mph. That's right in line with his career average. www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5524&position=P#pipitchvelocityThose are documented stats, not lies someone made up to support his narrative. First off F U. Js tired of ur shit u commie A hole. Second Bumgarner never had white-lightning heat that made hitters’ knees tremble. At its fastest, it averaged 92.8 mph in 2014 and 2015, according to FanGraphs. It dipped to 91.5 in 2016, 91 in the Year of the Motorbike and 90.9 last year upon his return from the broken hand. 95 to 93 dip stick www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=5524&position=P&statArr=&legend=1&split=base&time=daily&start=2014&end=2019&rtype=mult>1=15&dStatArray=FA&ymin=&ymax=. Stop cherry picking asshat Buster Olney Bumgarner’s velocity has also been down to some of the lowest readings of his career. In his final outing before the accident, he averaged 92.1 mph with his fastball (April 19 vs. Royals). Here are his average readings in the three starts since he returned, per FanGraphs: July 15: 89.7 mph July 20: 90.4 mph July 25: 90.4 mph It’s too early to interpret the diminishment in velocity. It could be that, much like a pitcher working his way through spring training, Bumgarner is still in the process of building velocity. That’s something that the Giants saw from him in March, when sluggish readings early in the month eventually got better. The Athletic reports his Fast ball is 13th worst in Baseball according to who ever wrote that. I refuse to pay for that info. He also ranks in the bottom 20 in all catagorys except Spin on Curve and Fastball. And Innings Pitched. Just saying Research before you call me out. Jerk off |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 19:54:47 GMT -6
I seem to have touched a nerve.  Bumgarner never had white-lightning heat that made hitters’ knees tremble. Uh, yeah. That's common knowledge. He never averaged over 93 mph in his career. Not even the four years he was an All Star. But what does that have to do with 'regression' if he never had the heat in the first place?
Pssst: Don't bother trying to answer that. It's a rhetorical question. Even if you were interpreting those numbers correctly (you clearly are not. Bumgarner never averaged 95 in any season.), that's 2 mph, not 'literally alittle over 2.5mph'. Fail. Oh, the irony. You've based your entire reply on cherry-picking isolated moments in time, rather than yearly averages. Here's a clue for you: "Regression" is a pattern of declining year-to-year averages over time, not isolated brief intervals that have clear relationship to short-term situations. Buster Olney Bumgarner’s velocity has also been down to some of the lowest readings of his career. Cherry-picking. That quote by Olney is from Jul 29, 2017. He has clearly averaged much higher for the 2017 and 2018 seasons than that brief period of time, and even higher than those two seasons, so far in 2019. The so called 'regression' you're basing on what Olney said two years ago no longer has any basis in fact. Speculations based on an observation which is no longer even relevant is laughable. Just saying Research before you call me out. And the facts I presented stand tall in the face of the nonsense you just posted. Just Sayin' ...
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 20:12:26 GMT -6
I seem to have touched a nerve. Bumgarner never had white-lightning heat that made hitters’ knees tremble. Uh, yeah. That's common knowledge. He never averaged over 93 mph in his career. Not even the four years he was an All Star. But what does that have to do with 'regression' if he never had the heat in the first place?
Pssst: Don't bother trying to answer that. It's a rhetorical question. Even if you were interpreting those numbers correctly (you clearly are not. Bumgarner never averaged 95 in any season.), that's 2 mph, not 'literally alittle over 2.5mph'. Fail. Oh, the irony. You've based your entire reply on cherry-picking isolated moments in time, rather than yearly averages. Here's a clue for you: "Regression" is a pattern of declining year-to-year averages over time, not isolated brief intervals that have clear relationship to short-term situations. Buster Olney Bumgarner’s velocity has also been down to some of the lowest readings of his career. Cherry-picking. That quote by Olney is from Jul 29, 2017. He has clearly averaged much higher for the 2017 and 2018 seasons than that brief period of time, and even higher than those two seasons, so far in 2019. The so called 'regression' you're basing on what Olney said two years ago no longer has any basis in fact. Speculations based on an observation which is no longer even relevant is laughable. Just saying Research before you call me out. And the facts I presented stand tall in the face of the nonsense you just posted. Just Sayin' ...
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I was about to say from the Fangraphs link that Nat-Dog posted, Bumgarner's FB seems like it is getting back to 2016 level.... |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 20:42:14 GMT -6
I was about to say from the Fangraphs link that Nat-Dog posted, Bumgarner's FB seems like it is getting back to 2016 level.... Daily velocity graphs tend to be a bit messy and difficult to interpret because there's a lot of noise presented when you have the vertical line for each day, representing the range from slowest to fastest. But you can still see the slight upward trend from the latter half of 2017 through 2018 and into the current season. Even though that contradicts his 'regression' theory, the yearly averages are more clear. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 20:45:46 GMT -6
One of the reasons I like Greinke over both Stroman and Madbum is his durability. But I've been waiting for Arizona to fade and it's not happening quickly enough. A lot can happen in a month. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 21:49:53 GMT -6
Exactly. VooDoo likes to shit on trade thoughts that aren't his by throwing in what ifs, yet he ignores any of those in his own magic deals.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 21:53:30 GMT -6
I was about to say from the Fangraphs link that Nat-Dog posted, Bumgarner's FB seems like it is getting back to 2016 level.... Daily velocity graphs tend to be a bit messy and difficult to interpret because there's a lot of noise presented when you have the vertical line for each day, representing the range from slowest to fastest. But you can still see the slight upward trend from the latter half of 2017 through 2018 and into the current season. Even though that contradicts his 'regression' theory, the yearly averages are more clear. Regression? Is that some kind of commie plot? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 18, 2019 22:08:12 GMT -6
Exactly. VooDoo likes to shit on trade thoughts that aren't his by throwing in what ifs, yet he ignores any of those in his own magic deals.
Voodoo is basically Tim Purpura if you took off a 100 IQ points To astrohop, Timmy P. has an IQ of 7,684. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 19, 2019 5:31:36 GMT -6
Exactly. VooDoo likes to shit on trade thoughts that aren't his by throwing in what ifs, yet he ignores any of those in his own magic deals.
Voodoo is basically Tim Purpura if you took off a 100 IQ points How is that possible donut man only had 99 to start with. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 19, 2019 5:36:29 GMT -6
I would be shocked if we traded for Stroman or MadBum. We like the guys who can spin it. High heat and high spin rate that is what we teach our guys. Sinker ball pitchers like these two guys have more and more trouble as the hitters swing planes change to create more loft. The ball stays in the sweet spot longer and that is the main reason we got Cole to quite throwing it.
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Post by talshill on Jun 19, 2019 7:06:52 GMT -6
One of the reasons I like Greinke over both Stroman and Madbum is his durability. But I've been waiting for Arizona to fade and it's not happening quickly enough. A lot can happen in a month. No it can't, you commie. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 19, 2019 13:29:19 GMT -6
I would be shocked if we traded for Stroman or MadBum. We like the guys who can spin it. High heat and high spin rate that is what we teach our guys. Sinker ball pitchers like these two guys have more and more trouble as the hitters swing planes change to create more loft. The ball stays in the sweet spot longer and that is the main reason we got Cole to quite throwing it. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 19, 2019 13:32:28 GMT -6
I would be shocked if we traded for Stroman or MadBum. We like the guys who can spin it. High heat and high spin rate that is what we teach our guys. Sinker ball pitchers like these two guys have more and more trouble as the hitters swing planes change to create more loft. The ball stays in the sweet spot longer and that is the main reason we got Cole to quite throwing it. Kyler Murray? |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 19, 2019 13:35:41 GMT -6
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 19, 2019 22:09:49 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 19, 2019 22:23:35 GMT -6
Jason Marbach (writer of your article) is a fecking idiot. Plus, he swore that he would no longer follow the Astros when they signed Osuna...he even gave up ownership of his Astros Facebook group.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 19, 2019 22:27:53 GMT -6
If the Astros got himfor cheap, then yes, but I don't think he will be a big contributor this year, he might be a burden....but give Strom, the pitcher whisper, a long off-season with Chris, then I would see him being a major factor for the team. |
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