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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 8, 2019 13:26:59 GMT -6
4 p.m. ET on July 31, 2019 In previous years, this would have been called the Non-waiver deadline, as players could still be traded (and eligible for the postseason) until Aug. 31, IF they passed waivers. But this year, it's a different game. July 31 is a hard date, etched in stone for postseason eligibility.
With almost two months remaining until the deadline, predicting what moves Luhnow might make is pretty much a guessing game. But hey ... who doesn't like a game? So let's look at the possibilities.
Position Players.Even with the current injuries, I don't think the Astros will cash in any high-ranking prospects to bolster the team right now, in that area. When the injured players return, the team will pretty much be set for the remainder of the year and into the postseason. The present time also allows for a look at the guys from the minors.
Never say never, but I just don't see adding a position player as being part of the plan. Starting Pitcher.Yeah, that seems a bit more likely. Not a certainty, but it seems reasonable. Some of the names being tossed around: Madison Bumgarner and Will Smith. Both are FA at the end of the season. So they'd be strictly rentals. Marcus Stroman has also been mentioned. He has an additional year left on his commitment to the Blue Jays but they might want to deal him and his malcontent attitude.
Also, Jeff Samardzija *might* be on the auction block before the deadline. I think that depends on two things.1 - the Giants dealing their pitchers on expiring contracts first.
2 - a decision by the Giants that they're rebuilding and not just re-tooling for next year. Luhnow might even look for someone with plenty of time on his clock like Matthew Boyd. Poll: Shopping Matthew Boyd But I think the pricetag in terms of prospects for the return will be very high. However, there's a nugget in that article that I'll mention later.
If a starter is added, that lessens the likelihood of a reliever being added. But it's possible both will happen. Reliever.Houston Astros: Where, oh where has the bullpen gone?
I'd give the likelihood of adding a reliever a definite maybe. There are generally quite a few relievers available at the deadline. Some of them for just a modest return, if they're strictly a rental and/or they have a substantial salary.
Shane Greene is having a good season, has a low salary, and has another season of obligation after this one. Luhnow will surely be interested but it really depends on what it will take in terms of prospects to Detroit.
I'm not gonna go all VooDoo on you and list dozens of names, but I'll say that Shane looks to be a reasonable target. Who's the one player who might be on the market that YOU would like to see the Astros add? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 8, 2019 15:29:19 GMT -6
4 p.m. ET on July 31, 2019 In previous years, this would have been called the Non-waiver deadline, as players could still be traded (and eligible for the postseason) until Aug. 31, IF they passed waivers. But this year, it's a different game. July 31 is a hard date, etched in stone for postseason eligibility.
With almost two months remaining until the deadline, predicting what moves Luhnow might make is pretty much a guessing game. But hey ... who doesn't like a game? So let's look at the possibilities.
Position Players.Even with the current injuries, I don't think the Astros will cash in any high-ranking prospects to bolster the team right now, in that area. When the injured players return, the team will pretty much be set for the remainder of the year and into the postseason. The present time also allows for a look at the guys from the minors.
Never say never, but I just don't see adding a position player as being part of the plan. Starting Pitcher.Yeah, that seems a bit more likely. Not a certainty, but it seems reasonable. Some of the names being tossed around: Madison Bumgarner and Will Smith. Both are FA at the end of the season. So they'd be strictly rentals. Marcus Stroman has also been mentioned. He has an additional year left on his commitment to the Blue Jays but they might want to deal him and his malcontent attitude.
Also, Jeff Samardzija *might* be on the auction block before the deadline. I think that depends on two things.1 - the Giants dealing their pitchers on expiring contracts first.
2 - a decision by the Giants that they're rebuilding and not just re-tooling for next year. Luhnow might even look for someone with plenty of time on his clock like Matthew Boyd. Poll: Shopping Matthew Boyd But I think the pricetag in terms of prospects for the return will be very high. However, there's a nugget in that article that I'll mention later.
If a starter is added, that lessens the likelihood of a reliever being added. But it's possible both will happen. Reliever.Houston Astros: Where, oh where has the bullpen gone?
I'd give the likelihood of adding a reliever a definite maybe. There are generally quite a few relievers available at the deadline. Some of them for just a modest return, if they're strictly a rental and/or they have a substantial salary.
Shane Greene is having a good season, has a low salary, and has another season of obligation after this one. Luhnow will surely be interested but it really depends on what it will take in terms of prospects to Detroit.
I'm not gonna go all VooDoo on you and list dozens of names, but I'll say that Shane looks to be a reasonable target. Who's the one player who might be on the market that YOU would like to see the Astros add?Mine would be Bumgarner. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 8, 2019 16:32:30 GMT -6
4 p.m. ET on July 31, 2019 In previous years, this would have been called the Non-waiver deadline, as players could still be traded (and eligible for the postseason) until Aug. 31, IF they passed waivers. But this year, it's a different game. July 31 is a hard date, etched in stone for postseason eligibility.
With almost two months remaining until the deadline, predicting what moves Luhnow might make is pretty much a guessing game. But hey ... who doesn't like a game? So let's look at the possibilities.
Position Players.Even with the current injuries, I don't think the Astros will cash in any high-ranking prospects to bolster the team right now, in that area. When the injured players return, the team will pretty much be set for the remainder of the year and into the postseason. The present time also allows for a look at the guys from the minors.
Never say never, but I just don't see adding a position player as being part of the plan. Starting Pitcher.Yeah, that seems a bit more likely. Not a certainty, but it seems reasonable. Some of the names being tossed around: Madison Bumgarner and Will Smith. Both are FA at the end of the season. So they'd be strictly rentals. Marcus Stroman has also been mentioned. He has an additional year left on his commitment to the Blue Jays but they might want to deal him and his malcontent attitude.
Also, Jeff Samardzija *might* be on the auction block before the deadline. I think that depends on two things.1 - the Giants dealing their pitchers on expiring contracts first.
2 - a decision by the Giants that they're rebuilding and not just re-tooling for next year. Luhnow might even look for someone with plenty of time on his clock like Matthew Boyd. Poll: Shopping Matthew Boyd But I think the pricetag in terms of prospects for the return will be very high. However, there's a nugget in that article that I'll mention later.
If a starter is added, that lessens the likelihood of a reliever being added. But it's possible both will happen. Reliever.Houston Astros: Where, oh where has the bullpen gone?
I'd give the likelihood of adding a reliever a definite maybe. There are generally quite a few relievers available at the deadline. Some of them for just a modest return, if they're strictly a rental and/or they have a substantial salary.
Shane Greene is having a good season, has a low salary, and has another season of obligation after this one. Luhnow will surely be interested but it really depends on what it will take in terms of prospects to Detroit.
I'm not gonna go all VooDoo on you and list dozens of names, but I'll say that Shane looks to be a reasonable target. Who's the one player who might be on the market that YOU would like to see the Astros add?Mine would be Bumgarner. Mine as well...followed by Seth Lugo. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 8, 2019 18:35:30 GMT -6
Madison isn't off to an excellent start this year. Good, but not excellent. But he has an impressive resume, so I can definitely see him as a possibility. Mine as well...followed by Seth Lugo. Lugo is currently pre-arb. He'll see his first arb this winter and has a total of 3-1/2 years of team control ahead. That would be a costly acquisition if the Mets are even willing to trade him this soon. Btw, he was a 34th round pick (1032nd overall). Few guys taken that late make it to the bigs, even for just a cup of coffee. He's looking pretty good. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 8, 2019 19:03:04 GMT -6
Madison isn't off to an excellent start this year. Good, but not excellent. But he has an impressive resume, so I can definitely see him as a possibility. Mine as well...followed by Seth Lugo. Lugo is currently pre-arb. He'll see his first arb this winter and has a total of 3-1/2 years of team control ahead. That would be a costly acquisition if the Mets are even willing to trade him this soon. Btw, he was a 34th round pick (1032nd overall). Few guys taken that late make it to the bigs, even for just a cup of coffee. He's looking pretty good. I know, I am wondering what the asking price would be. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 9, 2019 8:47:25 GMT -6
I know, I am wondering what the asking price would be. Hard to guess. Maybe something like two of Whitley/Tucker/Alvarez/Martin/Bukauskas plus one other decent piece much farther down the list? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 9, 2019 10:02:43 GMT -6
I know, I am wondering what the asking price would be. Hard to guess. Maybe something like two of Whitley/Tucker/Alvarez/Martin/Bukauskas plus one other decent piece much farther down the list? For one of those three, I’d better get a badass pitcher in return, not some controllable Mets guy or a once elite guy struggling to get a sub-4 ERA. In terms of older players, what Zack Greinke is doing dwarfs what Bumgarner has been tossing out there this season. I definitely could be wrong, but he could be that Verlander type that kills it as some team’s number two SP. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 9, 2019 10:31:45 GMT -6
I know, I am wondering what the asking price would be. Hard to guess. Maybe something like two of Whitley/Tucker/Alvarez/Martin/Bukauskas plus one other decent piece much farther down the list? I think less than that...maybe Bukuakas, Fisher, Armenteros. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 9, 2019 10:59:35 GMT -6
For one of those three, I’d better get a badass pitcher in return I don't see something like that happening on a deadline deal in a one-for-one unless it's a half-year rental. In terms of older players, what Zack Greinke is doing dwarfs what Bumgarner has been tossing out there this season. Well yeah. And you'd be getting two additional years. But the salary ($35M per year) is gonna make a serious dent in the payroll. And I think Greinke is still gonna cost you more than Bumgarner in terms of prospects. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 9, 2019 10:59:54 GMT -6
Hard to guess. Maybe something like two of Whitley/Tucker/Alvarez/Martin/Bukauskas plus one other decent piece much farther down the list? I think less than that...maybe Bukuakas, Fisher, Armenteros. Might be enough. I might be over-valuing Lugo. idk. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 9, 2019 11:09:15 GMT -6
Hard to guess. Maybe something like two of Whitley/Tucker/Alvarez/Martin/Bukauskas plus one other decent piece much farther down the list? I think less than that...maybe Bukuakas, Fisher, Armenteros. I would probably do that one, but, a flat NO on Tucker or Whitley. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 9, 2019 11:18:12 GMT -6
I think Seth Lugo would be a heck of a pen arm/emergency SP.
I would stay away from Grienke and Bumgarner.
Only reason is Money on Grienke and MadBum doesnt have it anymore.
Its crazy the guy just seems like he is on his way out.
I wouldnt wanna trade premium prospects for a guy who isnt producing well and is looking for a BiG CoNtRaCt.
Ill pass on that part.
He wont stay here anyways. Word is he wants to stay in California. So Dodgers and Padres seem like great spots for him.
On other news Marcus Stroman is being scouted by the Yanks as is MadBum.
Marcus Stroman, Aaron Sanchez, Caleb Smith, Robbie Ray, Josh Means, Lucas Giolito, Luis Castillo, Matthew Boyd, Jacob Degrom, Noah Syndergaard, Frankie Montas, Jameson Taillon, Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg could all be avaliable.
Just 1 if not two of those guys changes alot of things with the Astros and the Rotation.
Ive always thought the NL was way weaker then the AL. So the NL pitchers I would be very weary about.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 9, 2019 11:18:44 GMT -6
I think less than that...maybe Bukuakas, Fisher, Armenteros. Might be enough. I might be over-valuing Lugo. idk. I think Fisher and Abreu could get Lugo |
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Post by talshill on Jun 9, 2019 11:48:32 GMT -6
I don't know who'll they'll wind up with, but my guess would be a pitcher of some variety, probably SP. Smith is supposed to be back next month and I'm guessing McHugh as well. I'd look for Tucker to be up before long, although I don't know how that would affect the logjam in the OF.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 9, 2019 12:18:46 GMT -6
I don't know who'll they'll wind up with, but my guess would be a pitcher of some variety, probably SP. Smith is supposed to be back next month and I'm guessing McHugh as well. I'd look for Tucker to be up before long, although I don't know how that would affect the logjam in the OF. I think Fisher will be traded....I don't know what you can get for Kemp, he is not bad, totally serviceable, but is he a FA after this season? If that is the case for Kemp, the most I could see is swapping expiring contracts; and the reason for other team in doing so is for a salary dump of the player they are trading. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 9, 2019 12:20:08 GMT -6
Might be enough. I might be over-valuing Lugo. idk. I think Fisher and Abreu could get Lugo I think it would be more than that, but not a top 3 prospect....I am really pro-Lugo, so I hope the Astros can get him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 9, 2019 12:35:59 GMT -6
I don't know who'll they'll wind up with, but my guess would be a pitcher of some variety, probably SP. Smith is supposed to be back next month and I'm guessing McHugh as well. I'd look for Tucker to be up before long, although I don't know how that would affect the logjam in the OF. I think Fisher will be traded....I don't know what you can get for Kemp, he is not bad, totally serviceable, but is he a FA after this season? If that is the case for Kemp, the most I could see is swapping expiring contracts; and the reason for other team in doing so is for a salary dump of the player they are trading. I see Kemp as nothing more than a good bench player. If he wants to start somewhere, his best bet is as a 2B somewhere. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 9, 2019 12:45:47 GMT -6
I think Fisher will be traded....I don't know what you can get for Kemp, he is not bad, totally serviceable, but is he a FA after this season? If that is the case for Kemp, the most I could see is swapping expiring contracts; and the reason for other team in doing so is for a salary dump of the player they are trading. I see Kemp as nothing more than a good bench player. If he wants to start somewhere, his best bet is as a 2B somewhere. I agree....I think only non-contending teams will want him in a trade, if the Astros take a higher salary player in return... |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 9, 2019 12:59:07 GMT -6
I don't know what you can get for Kemp, he is not bad, totally serviceable, but is he a FA after this season? Nah, Kemp won't even be eligible for arbitration this coming winter. But he is out of options. He's the kind of guy you keep on the roster because he's cheap and somewhat useful. Too good to just throw away but not of much interest on a trade. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 9, 2019 13:21:15 GMT -6
I don't know what you can get for Kemp, he is not bad, totally serviceable, but is he a FA after this season? Nah, Kemp won't even be eligible for arbitration this coming winter. But he is out of options. He's the kind of guy you keep on the roster because he's cheap and somewhat useful. Too good to just throw away but not of much interest on a trade. Well at least Kemp is very likeable. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 9, 2019 18:57:34 GMT -6
I see Kemp as nothing more than a good bench player. If he wants to start somewhere, his best bet is as a 2B somewhere. I agree....I think only non-contending teams will want him in a trade, if the Astros take a higher salary player in return... He won’t be released if he goes down on Jake. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 9, 2019 19:28:08 GMT -6
I agree....I think only non-contending teams will want him in a trade, if the Astros take a higher salary player in return... He won’t be released if he goes down on Jake. Holy Gaudin |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 9, 2019 19:56:31 GMT -6
He won’t be released if he goes down on Jake. Holy Gaudin My theory is that he secretly leads his local chapter of Mensa. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 9, 2019 21:10:06 GMT -6
My theory is that he secretly leads his local chapter of Mensa. Well he has won the Yahoo fantasy football league twice now |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 9, 2019 21:40:57 GMT -6
Hard to guess. Maybe something like two of Whitley/Tucker/Alvarez/Martin/Bukauskas plus one other decent piece much farther down the list? I think less than that...maybe Bukuakas, Fisher, Armenteros. That could get you Stroman. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 9, 2019 22:19:08 GMT -6
I think less than that...maybe Bukuakas, Fisher, Armenteros. That could get you Stroman. I maybe in the minority, but I rather have Lugo |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 9, 2019 22:34:02 GMT -6
A rather odd article on mlb.com. 7 impact relievers who could be traded I don't understand the inclusion of Diekman and Givens unless the author thinks they'll be offered for a pittance and the buying teams will be willing to take a risk. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 9, 2019 23:44:48 GMT -6
A rather odd article on mlb.com. 7 impact relievers who could be traded I don't understand the inclusion of Diekman and Givens unless the author thinks they'll be offered for a pittance and the buying teams will be willing to take a risk. Seen that one earlier. We always get the middle to lower guy. Like someone who we havent even discussed. And all the supposed bigger teams get the really good players |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 10, 2019 6:54:02 GMT -6
A rather odd article on mlb.com. 7 impact relievers who could be traded I don't understand the inclusion of Diekman and Givens unless the author thinks they'll be offered for a pittance and the buying teams will be willing to take a risk. Seen that one earlier. We always get the middle to lower guy. Like someone who we havent even discussed. And all the supposed bigger teams get the really good players Felipe Vazquez would be awesome, but the Pirates, with 4 more years of team control, would ask for the moon for him. Trade deadline wish list: Bumgarner, Lugo and Vazquez... All the above will likely cost too much in return, so Luhnow will object. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 10, 2019 7:16:58 GMT -6
That could get you Stroman. I maybe in the minority... How does it feel, Whitey? |
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