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Post by m240 on Apr 17, 2018 7:30:39 GMT -6
Don’t make me join your anti-Marwin bandwagon. Right now, it’s looking very tempting. Seats still available at the Jake Marisnick Hateclub, too. Bring out them chicken bones and get some work done. Fix these fellas from whatever ails them. |
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Post by olpapa on Apr 17, 2018 8:06:41 GMT -6
I slept through the entire “game”  You had the right idea. I might have to do the same tonight and hopefully wake up to a 10-2 Astros win. Well I just read this whole thread and it looks like I didn’t miss anything by turning in early last night. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 8:09:56 GMT -6
Damn Marisnick now has struck out in 49% of his plate appearances. Send him to Fresno. Also send Hoyt to Fresno because we don't need 13 pitchers with our quality rotation now and the built in off days. Bring up White and JD Davis. Both of them can also play left field if needed. And both can also pitch if we run out of pitchers. I am not going to freak out yet. We had slumps and losing streaks last season, and we still won it all. IF we are .500 ish say about Game 50, then we might need to make some major adjustments. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 17, 2018 8:20:52 GMT -6
Damn Marisnick now has struck out in 49% of his plate appearances. Send him to Fresno. Also send Hoyt to Fresno because we don't need 13 pitchers with our quality rotation now and the built in off days. Bring up White and JD Davis. Both of them can also play left field if needed. And both can also pitch if we run out of pitchers. I totally agree that the bullpen has one too many men. Hinch hasn't really been able to find enough work for each man to do as it is. Some guys are having 4 or even 5 days of no mound pitching in between appearances. There's such a thing as too much rest for relievers and they just get rusty if they aren't used often enough. It's a shame to see so many hot bats in Fresno and not use them in Houston. OlPapa and I were talking about the contractual issues involving Jake and minor league options. OlPapa understands it much better than I do -- but in general it seems it would be difficult to send Jake to the minors without his agreement to go there, and without losing him in the waivers process. At this point I really wouldn't mind if the Athletics or some other team take him off our hands  |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 17, 2018 8:23:32 GMT -6
This slump feels like August last year. Except then, there was tension between the players and the front office over the failure to acquire a difference-maker at the non-waiver trade deadline. Now, I can't imagine what tension there would be other than Crane & Luhnow getting uptight about certain guys (and handsomely paid ones at that) not pulling their weight.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 17, 2018 8:46:10 GMT -6
"and without losing him in the waivers process"
Ah, the best of all possible outcomes. Get it done, Luhnow.
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Post by fanastro on Apr 17, 2018 9:33:39 GMT -6
Damn Marisnick now has struck out in 49% of his plate appearances. Send him to Fresno. Also send Hoyt to Fresno because we don't need 13 pitchers with our quality rotation now and the built in off days. Bring up White and JD Davis. Both of them can also play left field if needed. And both can also pitch if we run out of pitchers. I totally agree that the bullpen has one too many men. Hinch hasn't really been able to find enough work for each man to do as it is. Some guys are having 4 or even 5 days of no mound pitching in between appearances. There's such a thing as too much rest for relievers and they just get rusty if they aren't used often enough. It's a shame to see so many hot bats in Fresno and not use them in Houston. OlPapa and I were talking about the contractual issues involving Jake and minor league options. OlPapa understands it much better than I do -- but in general it seems it would be difficult to send Jake to the minors without his agreement to go there, and without losing him in the waivers process. At this point I really wouldn't mind if the Athletics or some other team take him off our hands Not true. Marisnick can be sent to the minors easily. He still has options left, and he doesn't have enough service time (5.0 yrs) to reject the demotion and still retain salary. He doesn't need to pass waivers or agree to it. Not to mention that he would pass through waivers anyways because no other team wants to pay his guaranteed salary. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 17, 2018 9:55:07 GMT -6
I totally agree that the bullpen has one too many men. Hinch hasn't really been able to find enough work for each man to do as it is. Some guys are having 4 or even 5 days of no mound pitching in between appearances. There's such a thing as too much rest for relievers and they just get rusty if they aren't used often enough. It's a shame to see so many hot bats in Fresno and not use them in Houston. OlPapa and I were talking about the contractual issues involving Jake and minor league options. OlPapa understands it much better than I do -- but in general it seems it would be difficult to send Jake to the minors without his agreement to go there, and without losing him in the waivers process. At this point I really wouldn't mind if the Athletics or some other team take him off our hands Not true. Marisnick can be sent to the minors easily. He still has options left, and he doesn't have enough service time (5.0 yrs) to reject the demotion and still retain salary. He doesn't need to pass waivers or agree to it. Not to mention that he would pass through waivers anyways because no other team wants to pay his guaranteed salary. If that's the case then it ought to be a no-brainer. Send Jake packing to California. He looks like surfer dude anyway. He'll be right at home. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 17, 2018 10:40:18 GMT -6
I am not going to freak out yet. We had slumps and losing streaks last season, and we still won it all. IF we are .500 ish say about Game 50, then we might need to make some major adjustments. I’d hate to see where we are in the division if that happens. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 17, 2018 14:31:08 GMT -6
We keep seeing evidence that we needed to sign another bat, especially one who can DH. If we are going to depend on Gattis to DH, we are in big trouble. As far as our bench goes right now, it is pathetic. June needs to get here soon so we can bring up Kyle Tucker.
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Post by paastrosfan on Apr 17, 2018 14:54:04 GMT -6
Damn Marisnick now has struck out in 49% of his plate appearances. Send him to Fresno. Also send Hoyt to Fresno because we don't need 13 pitchers with our quality rotation now and the built in off days. Bring up White and JD Davis. Both of them can also play left field if needed. And both can also pitch if we run out of pitchers. I totally agree that the bullpen has one too many men. Hinch hasn't really been able to find enough work for each man to do as it is. Some guys are having 4 or even 5 days of no mound pitching in between appearances. There's such a thing as too much rest for relievers and they just get rusty if they aren't used often enough. It's a shame to see so many hot bats in Fresno and not use them in Houston. OlPapa and I were talking about the contractual issues involving Jake and minor league options. OlPapa understands it much better than I do -- but in general it seems it would be difficult to send Jake to the minors without his agreement to go there, and without losing him in the waivers process. At this point I really wouldn't mind if the Athletics or some other team take him off our hands I would go with the old saying a team never has enough pitching. This year is different from the last three that the pen in early season is not taking a hit, also finally having a solid starting rotation. The luxury of averaging of going six inning plus deep in games is going to pay off. In a week or two the situation can change in a heart beat of the pen doing a Maytag Job situation. |
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Post by olpapa on Apr 17, 2018 15:44:34 GMT -6
Not true. Marisnick can be sent to the minors easily. He still has options left, and he doesn't have enough service time (5.0 yrs) to reject the demotion and still retain salary. He doesn't need to pass waivers or agree to it. Not to mention that he would pass through waivers anyways because no other team wants to pay his guaranteed salary. If that's the case then it ought to be a no-brainer. Send Jake packing to California. He looks like surfer dude anyway. He'll be right at home. This from Baseball Reference: “When a team wishes to send a player who has options to the minor leagues, there is a catch if the player's debut date is over two years ago. In those cases, the team needs to place his name on the waiver list and wait 48 hours for a claim.” I do believe Marisnick’s debut date was over two years ago. Anyway..., I emailed Jason Martinez at MLBTR and asked him if Jake can be optioned without passing through waivers. I am waiting for his response. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 17, 2018 15:56:12 GMT -6
Carrying 13 pitchers this early makes no sense. We need an extra bat.......the problem is unless we bring up Tucker there isn't much help in the minors.
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 17, 2018 16:27:57 GMT -6
Man, I said that winning the World Series should not lead to resting on laurels and thinking that the same guys can get it done just like last year |
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 17, 2018 16:32:30 GMT -6
Now, I can't imagine what tension there would be other than Crane & Luhnow getting uptight about certain guys (and handsomely paid ones at that) not pulling their weight. |
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Post by olpapa on Apr 17, 2018 16:33:47 GMT -6
Damn Marisnick now has struck out in 49% of his plate appearances. Send him to Fresno. Also send Hoyt to Fresno because we don't need 13 pitchers with our quality rotation now and the built in off days. Bring up White and JD Davis. Both of them can also play left field if needed. And both can also pitch if we run out of pitchers. I totally agree that the bullpen has one too many men. Hinch hasn't really been able to find enough work for each man to do as it is. Some guys are having 4 or even 5 days of no mound pitching in between appearances. There's such a thing as too much rest for relievers and they just get rusty if they aren't used often enough. It's a shame to see so many hot bats in Fresno and not use them in Houston. OlPapa and I were talking about the contractual issues involving Jake and minor league options. OlPapa understands it much better than I do -- but in general it seems it would be difficult to send Jake to the minors without his agreement to go there, and without losing him in the waivers process. At this point I really wouldn't mind if the Athletics or some other team take him off our hands This is one of those times that I am really hoping I misunderstand and that the team can and will option Marisnick to the minors. Like I said before, I don’t think he has 5 full years of ML service, so I don’t think he has the right to refuse being optioned to the minors. I’m still not sure that he can be optioned to the minors without clearing irrevocable waivers, considering his total professional service time. The whole option/waiver process can get very confusing. |
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Post by marshall on Apr 17, 2018 16:45:56 GMT -6
You had the right idea. I might have to do the same tonight and hopefully wake up to a 10-2 Astros win. Well I just read this whole thread and it looks like I didn’t miss anything by turning in early last night. Yes you did. More heartbreak! |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 17, 2018 16:54:01 GMT -6
Man, I said that winning the World Series should not lead to resting on laurels and thinking that the same guys can get it done just like last year I don't know, man...it sure seems like the rose coloring was very wide spread on the old forum. |
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Post by marshall on Apr 17, 2018 17:04:24 GMT -6
I'm optimistic that the bats wake up and stay awake for the remainder of the year. But I've been optimistic before each of the last six games.
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 17, 2018 17:06:30 GMT -6
I don't think anyone thought Marwin would have another season like last year. Except for some of the rose-colored posters that didn't migrate when the other board dissolved I don't know, man...it sure seems like the rose coloring was very wide spread on the old forum. |
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Post by koolade2 on Apr 17, 2018 17:10:11 GMT -6
I don't think anyone thought Marwin would have another season like last year. Except for some of the rose-colored posters that didn't migrate when the other board dissolved I don't know, man...it sure seems like the rose coloring was very wide spread on the old forum.I I have never been on Marwin bandwagon. Even last year I never felt I could trust him in a real High Energy Spot to come thru. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 17, 2018 17:13:04 GMT -6
I don't know, man...it sure seems like the rose coloring was very wide spread on the old forum.I I have never been on Marwin bandwagon. Even last year I never felt I could trust him in a real High Energy Spot to come thru. Me and you both, sir. I was and will be very vocal about my dubiosity toward Marwin (and, needless to say, Jake) |
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 17, 2018 17:13:29 GMT -6
He actually finished 19th in the MVP voting if that's to be believed
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Post by marshall on Apr 17, 2018 18:06:22 GMT -6
Did the last few games disappoint so bad that the thread makers can't bring themselves to make a thread for today?
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 17, 2018 19:08:34 GMT -6
I have enough trouble putting threads I make in the right bucket
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