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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2019 8:35:15 GMT -6
Us and Oakland did the same thing last year and it ended up fine. I see no reason to feel differently about it this year. They've played a little above their talent level in their recent streak and we've played a little below. It will balance out.
I'm more concerned about next year depending on what happens with our pitching.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 18, 2019 8:46:54 GMT -6
Us and Oakland did the same thing last year and it ended up fine. Oh, ok. Well, everything's fine, then. Whew. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2019 8:52:05 GMT -6
Us and Oakland did the same thing last year and it ended up fine. Oh, ok. Well, everything's fine, then. Whew. Yeah, pretty much. No reason to panic at this point. Why should we? Do we not have a 4.5 game lead with one of our best players due back soon and a likely trade for a SP on the way? |
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2019 8:58:25 GMT -6
Oh, ok. Well, everything's fine, then. Whew. Yeah, pretty much. No reason to panic at this point. Why should we? Do we not have a 4.5 game lead with one of our best players due back soon and a likely trade for a SP on the way? And they've beaten up on the White Sox and Mariners the last 8 games. It's not like they're beating good teams. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 18, 2019 9:31:45 GMT -6
Optimism is an asset, I reckon.
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2019 9:37:51 GMT -6
I just realistically don't believe that Oakland is a 100-win team this year. I don't think anything should be taken lightly, but I also don't believe there is any need to panic.
I'll panic if JV or Cole get hurt.
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Post by m240 on Jul 18, 2019 9:40:30 GMT -6
Those Indians have never beaten me in a fight. Signed General Custer
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Post by m240 on Jul 18, 2019 9:42:23 GMT -6
The A's are real. All we are is one season ending injury from one of our top guys away from a wild card game. We need to be serious and get something done before giving away another 4 games this month to openers.
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2019 9:55:10 GMT -6
All teams are only an injury or two away from disaster though. Again, I think we need another starter to help get us through the season (especially if Peacock is going to miss a lot of time). Some people seem to be in crisis mode though.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 18, 2019 10:17:09 GMT -6
The A's are real. All we are is one season ending injury from one of our top guys away from a wild card game. We need to be serious and get something done before giving away another 4 games this month to openers. I believe the A's are for real too. They have a solid team. If their pitching steps up we will have quit a battle for years to come. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 18, 2019 15:25:54 GMT -6
All teams are only an injury or two away from disaster though. Again, I think we need another starter to help get us through the season (especially if Peacock is going to miss a lot of time). Some people seem to be in crisis mode though. This is like, oh there is a train ahead in my train crossing, guess I need to stop kind of mode. In other words do something, stop the car for the train, get a trade done. Same sort of thing, one kills you the other kills our WS chances. And yes all teams are subject to injury but if Verlander, Cole, or Miley goes down we are hosed. We can pretty much cover the other guys, we may not like it but we can. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 18, 2019 15:27:47 GMT -6
All teams are only an injury or two away from disaster though. Again, I think we need another starter to help get us through the season (especially if Peacock is going to miss a lot of time). Some people seem to be in crisis mode though. This is like, oh there is a train ahead in my train crossing, guess I need to stop kind of mode. In other words do something, stop the car for the train, get a trade done. Same sort of thing, one kills you the other kills our WS chances. And yes all teams are subject to injury but if Verlander, Cole, or Miley goes down we are hosed. We can pretty much cover the other guys, we may not like it but we can. We will get a deal done for sure. Only question is who it will be |
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Post by m240 on Jul 18, 2019 15:29:36 GMT -6
This is like, oh there is a train ahead in my train crossing, guess I need to stop kind of mode. In other words do something, stop the car for the train, get a trade done. Same sort of thing, one kills you the other kills our WS chances. And yes all teams are subject to injury but if Verlander, Cole, or Miley goes down we are hosed. We can pretty much cover the other guys, we may not like it but we can. We will get a deal done for sure. Only question is who it will be My patience ran out last week. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 18, 2019 15:31:36 GMT -6
We will get a deal done for sure. Only question is who it will be My patience ran out last week. I understand, but I trust Luhnow 100%. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 15:40:52 GMT -6
All teams are only an injury or two away from disaster though. Again, I think we need another starter to help get us through the season (especially if Peacock is going to miss a lot of time). Some people seem to be in crisis mode though. The A's are only one steroid juicer away from taking this division. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2019 15:49:08 GMT -6
All teams are only an injury or two away from disaster though. Again, I think we need another starter to help get us through the season (especially if Peacock is going to miss a lot of time). Some people seem to be in crisis mode though. This is like, oh there is a train ahead in my train crossing, guess I need to stop kind of mode. In other words do something, stop the car for the train, get a trade done. Same sort of thing, one kills you the other kills our WS chances. And yes all teams are subject to injury but if Verlander, Cole, or Miley goes down we are hosed. We can pretty much cover the other guys, we may not like it but we can. So what do you suggest be done? If getting Correa back and adding a pitcher isn't enough, what else do you think needs to happen? Who said stop? |
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2019 15:50:22 GMT -6
All teams are only an injury or two away from disaster though. Again, I think we need another starter to help get us through the season (especially if Peacock is going to miss a lot of time). Some people seem to be in crisis mode though. The A's are only one steroid juicer away from taking this division. And there an injury to Chapman or a pitcher away from Oblivion. All playoff-caliber teams walk a thin line generally. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 15:57:06 GMT -6
The A's are only one steroid juicer away from taking this division. And there an injury to Chapman or a pitcher away from Oblivion. All playoff-caliber teams walk a thin line generally. What I'm happy about is our pitching lineup against the A's: Cole/Miley/Verlander (two out of three is a given) |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 18, 2019 15:58:53 GMT -6
And there an injury to Chapman or a pitcher away from Oblivion. All playoff-caliber teams walk a thin line generally. What I'm happy about is our pitching lineup against the A's: Cole/Miley/Verlander (two out of three is a given) Two out of three is never a given. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2019 15:59:26 GMT -6
People seem to think I believe we can blow off the rest of the season and be fine. I don't think that.
I just don't think a couple bad games due to a pitching experiment while the Athletics went 7-1 against two basement level teams is anything to get super worried over. This is still an excellent team. They do need a starter to get through the season, but I don't think they need to go crazy to do it. Overpay a little, sure (since we won't have a choice), but it's not like we're desperate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 16:02:42 GMT -6
What I'm happy about is our pitching lineup against the A's: Cole/Miley/Verlander (two out of three is a given) Two out of three is never a given. You're right. We could sweep  |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 18, 2019 16:12:22 GMT -6
Two out of three is never a given. You're right. We could sweep Bingo! |
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Post by m240 on Jul 19, 2019 7:13:48 GMT -6
2019 is a season that we have all known since the end of last season, was our best chance to get back to the World Series and to win it. Verlander and Cole are two of the very best starters in baseball and we got them both. All we have needed since the end of last season was a guy to pitch game 3 of a series to help ensure that the series moves our way. Disregarding the fact that Miley has been a good signing, he is not that guy. We need a guy who can get Dodgers out. We need a guy who can get Yankees out. We have known it for a long time, get it done.
Our boys seem to like home cooking this year as their record at home has been great all season long. Our road record on the other hand is getting close to 500. We just played 8 games on the road at 500 against teams that are barely over 500. We need to have the best record in baseball by the end of the season so that we have our best chance of winning it all. Giving games away while trying to bargain and save some prospect that may or may not wind up becoming something to me seems absurd at this point. Make a deal now and then make another for the guy that really makes a difference at the wire.
While you are out there get a catcher as well. Stassi ain't working and Chrinios ass is dragging.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 19, 2019 7:20:33 GMT -6
I agree that the Astros should probably strive for the best record in baseball because home field advantage might be what the team needs to win the postseason, as evidenced by some clunkers they’ve had on the road. Right now, I’m at a level between Saint and the rest of you. I don’t think the A’s are a super threat, but I do think they should be taken more seriously.
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Post by m240 on Jul 19, 2019 7:31:52 GMT -6
I will put this as simply as I can, in a 7 game series with the Yankees I want the first game played at home. Oakland is a pain in the backside but that series to determine who goes to the series is the real prize we should be shooting for and waiting does nothing for us.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 19, 2019 7:39:42 GMT -6
I will put this as simply as I can, in a 7 game series with the Yankees I want the first game played at home. Oakland is a pain in the backside but that series to determine who goes to the series is the real prize we should be shooting for and waiting does nothing for us. With Correa and Diaz, Oakland has no chance against the Astros. I don’t think acquiring Homer Bailey was that big of a deal. However, they should get someone good for the 4th spot in the rotation. In my mind, Peacock and McHugh are out, Whitley is unreliable, and Cole will be a goner while McCullers is a maybe for the rotation next year. Moves have to be made, and Verlander isn’t getting any younger. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 7:52:24 GMT -6
I will put this as simply as I can, in a 7 game series with the Yankees I want the first game played at home. Oakland is a pain in the backside but that series to determine who goes to the series is the real prize we should be shooting for and waiting does nothing for us. With Correa and Diaz, Oakland has no chance against the Astros. I don’t think acquiring Homer Bailey was that big of a deal. However, they should get someone good for the 4th spot in the rotation. In my mind, Peacock and McHugh are out, Whitley is unreliable, and Cole will be a goner while McCullers is a maybe for the rotation next year. Moves have to be made, and Verlander isn’t getting any younger. Good points. Seems recently there has been what I call a "Smoke and Mirrors" Team that annoy us like gnats. A team that is playing beyond abiity and expectations. This year's version? The 2019 A's. Anyone who thinks this team can go far in the playoffs, is terribly misguided. Last I saw, they occupy the WC2 position. I'll bet they won't be there season's end/. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 19, 2019 7:58:44 GMT -6
The major concern should be next year. This year it's a "yeah, we should probably do something". For next year it's "holy ball sack we have got to do something now!"
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 19, 2019 8:37:14 GMT -6
The news reports about who Luhnow tried to get are almost as interesting. It was revealed a few months ago a deal was in place last Summer to rent Bryce Harper and the Nats decided to nix it
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Post by Saint on Jul 19, 2019 8:47:56 GMT -6
So let's see how badly we need another SP for the regular season:
Assuming we continue to win games at the same rate we do now with Cole-Verlander-Miley (.683) we should win 26 more of their starts.
Assuming we only win as many as games as Baltimore with our other 2 spots (.305) we should win 7 of those remaining starts.
Those 33 total wins would put as at 94 for the season, not counting tonight's game. So potentially we're looking at a 95-67 if things remain the exactly the same.
Do we think Oakland can win more than 95 games? They'd have to win 40 of their last 65 games for a .615 winning percentage. There are only 4 teams in the league currently over .600.
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