koolade2
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Post by koolade2 on Sept 25, 2019 7:36:17 GMT -6
Well according to Corch, you are, so let's hope you keep it up. I just think that if Springer wanted to stay that an extension would have already been worked out. He gambled on himself getting better and better so that he can cash in on free agency. Considering the Tax situation in Texas compared to most other Big Market teams. How much more do they have to offer to compare to Texas. Second if a smaller market team wants to bid as a Top Player do you want to play in obscurity and not have a chance to have multiable Rings. Is a few more dollars really worth that or is it better to be on a winning Team and the Market around you will compensate you with Endorsements. Quality of Life also comes into play. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 25, 2019 7:36:27 GMT -6
I just think that if Springer wanted to stay that an extension would have already been worked out. Everyone loves Springer in Houston....He is more than a beard gimmick....I believe the Astros will make a big effort to keep George, as opposed to what they did with Keuchel....If the money is there so will be George. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 25, 2019 7:47:09 GMT -6
I don't think we keep Cole. I don't really think we keep Springer either. We'll try, I'm sure, but I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong though. I really think if the Astros re-sign Cole they become a dynasty....all would be left is to re-sign Springer.....Astros would be set was the the right veterans (Verlander, Greinke, Altuve, Bregman); young players (Alvarez, Tucker), athletic players (Straw and Stubbs); core bullpen arms (Osuna and Pressly); promising prospects (Whitley, Javier, Bielak)....and then mix-in a couple could-be nice surprises (McCullers, Urquidy, James).... Couple all that with Luhnow, AJ and Stromfather, then you have a great recipe for long-term success. Sounds good on paper. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 25, 2019 7:48:25 GMT -6
I just think that if Springer wanted to stay that an extension would have already been worked out. He gambled on himself getting better and better so that he can cash in on free agency. You can be too much Debbie sometimes....I know there is realism in your feeling about Astros re-signing core players, but there is an awful amount of pesism- beyond skepticism. It's just being realistic. We managed to get Altuve and Bregman signed to extensions, along with JV. We were never going to be able to keep everybody. There just isn't enough money to go around. |
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Post by olpapa on Sept 25, 2019 8:01:27 GMT -6
It is very easy for us as fans to get all caught up in a guy like Cole having a great year and thinking to ourselves “we need to do whatever is necessary to keep this guy on our team. Give him a 5-7 year deal at $33 million AAV contract!” At times like this it is wise to look at how some of these deals have turned out. Two examples:
David Price - age 31 in 2016 signed a 7-year $231 million deal that covers the years 2016-2022.
Chris Sale - age 30 in in 2019 signed a 5-year $145 million extension that covers the years 2020-2024.
Fortunately for us we have Luhnow in charge. I am sure he will make a decision concerning what kind of deal to offer Cole that is based on what the analytics and past history of these deals indicate would be the smart thing to do for the future of the Astros.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 25, 2019 9:17:55 GMT -6
I don't think we keep Cole. I don't really think we keep Springer either. We'll try, I'm sure, but I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong though. You could be right about Cole but I think you are wrong about Springer.....I think we have an excellent shot at keeping them both. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 25, 2019 9:24:20 GMT -6
I don't think we keep Cole. I don't really think we keep Springer either. We'll try, I'm sure, but I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong though. Well according to Corch, you are, so let's hope you keep it up. I thinkl it will take at least the same yearly salary as Verlander gets and it has to be from 5-7 years. We will have to probably double George's $12 million yearly deal to extend him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 25, 2019 9:26:15 GMT -6
You can be too much Debbie sometimes....I know there is realism in your feeling about Astros re-signing core players, but there is an awful amount of pesism- beyond skepticism. It's just being realistic. We managed to get Altuve and Bregman signed to extensions, along with JV. We were never going to be able to keep everybody. There just isn't enough money to go around. George is the heart and soul of this team. He is worth as much as Altuve but won't get it. We at least have to double what he makes per year.......he is well worth it. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 25, 2019 9:48:13 GMT -6
It's just being realistic. We managed to get Altuve and Bregman signed to extensions, along with JV. We were never going to be able to keep everybody. There just isn't enough money to go around. George is the heart and soul of this team. He is worth as much as Altuve but won't get it. We at least have to double what he makes per year.......he is well worth it. Oh I want to keep him and Cole. I just don't see the mechanics of it financially working out. Neither is going to sign for any type of discount with us, nor should they. They'll never have a better chance to make more than right now (or in a year for Springer). Neither of them are from Texas or the south, and they don't owe us anything. Springer will (and should) make similar to what Goldschmidt is getting. Something like 5-years $120 million, perhaps. And Cole will top Patrick Corbin's deal. I don't expect anything less than 6-years $175 million with how dominant he looks right now. The only thing that will slow him down is a poor postseason showing. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 25, 2019 9:58:58 GMT -6
George is the heart and soul of this team. He is worth as much as Altuve but won't get it. We at least have to double what he makes per year.......he is well worth it. And Cole will top Corbin Martin's deal. I don't expect anything less than 6-years $175 million with how dominant he looks right now.  |
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Post by Saint on Sept 25, 2019 10:14:10 GMT -6
And Cole will top Corbin Martin's deal. I don't expect anything less than 6-years $175 million with how dominant he looks right now. Bah, stupid Corbins. What kind of name is that anyways. *Patrick Corbin* |
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Post by marshall on Sept 25, 2019 12:21:12 GMT -6
There is no price some would be willing to pay to be on a team full of jealous prima donnas. If there is good club chemistry and tax advantages here, it is worth something to the player, It just isn't worth anything to the agent that lives in taxland.
One of the biggest disadvantages to moving to the West Division is the tax that California puts on visiting players. At least living in Texas keep half your salary safe from the politicians who think it's their money and are openly calling for additional taxes on the wealthy including most ball players.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 23, 2020 15:37:06 GMT -6
I don't think we keep Cole. I don't really think we keep Springer either. We'll try, I'm sure, but I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong though. I really think if the Astros re-sign Cole they become a dynasty....all would be left is to re-sign Springer.....Astros would be set was the the right veterans (Verlander, Greinke, Altuve, Bregman); young players (Alvarez, Tucker), athletic players (Straw and Stubbs); core bullpen arms (Osuna and Pressly); promising prospects (Whitley, Javier, Bielak)....and then mix-in a couple could-be nice surprises (McCullers, Urquidy, James).... Couple all that with Luhnow, AJ and Stromfather, then you have a great recipe for long-term success. What a difference a year can make..... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 23, 2020 19:27:13 GMT -6
I really think if the Astros re-sign Cole they become a dynasty....all would be left is to re-sign Springer.....Astros would be set was the the right veterans (Verlander, Greinke, Altuve, Bregman); young players (Alvarez, Tucker), athletic players (Straw and Stubbs); core bullpen arms (Osuna and Pressly); promising prospects (Whitley, Javier, Bielak)....and then mix-in a couple could-be nice surprises (McCullers, Urquidy, James).... Couple all that with Luhnow, AJ and Stromfather, then you have a great recipe for long-term success. What a difference a year can make..... Why? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 23, 2020 19:43:22 GMT -6
What a difference a year can make..... Why? I was reminiscing the good old days. |
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