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Post by sempersmom on Feb 21, 2020 17:20:34 GMT -6
My all-time favorite jerseys.
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 21, 2020 17:24:36 GMT -6
I was never a huge Berkman fan. He seemed soft to me... You didn't care for a class act like Lance Berkman but are a huge fan of an immature attention-getter like Bregman. I saw nothing soft about Lance Berkman. I never saw him put peroxide in his hair to become a blonde so he could get more attention. I never saw him strut in the dugut and look for a TV camera. If either of them come across as "soft", it's Bregman.  Bregman is a stud and you know it. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 21, 2020 19:28:42 GMT -6
I was never a huge Berkman fan. He seemed soft to me... You didn't care for a class act like Lance Berkman but are a huge fan of an immature attention-getter like Bregman. I saw nothing soft about Lance Berkman. I never saw him put peroxide in his hair to become a blonde so he could get more attention. I never saw him strut in the dugut and look for a TV camera. If either of them come across as "soft", it's Bregman. Hear hear! |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 21, 2020 20:02:44 GMT -6
You didn't care for a class act like Lance Berkman but are a huge fan of an immature attention-getter like Bregman. I saw nothing soft about Lance Berkman. I never saw him put peroxide in his hair to become a blonde so he could get more attention. I never saw him strut in the dugut and look for a TV camera. If either of them come across as "soft", it's Bregman. Hear hear! You talkin to me? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 21, 2020 20:06:24 GMT -6
I was never a huge Berkman fan. He seemed soft to me... You didn't care for a class act like Lance Berkman but are a huge fan of an immature attention-getter like Bregman. I saw nothing soft about Lance Berkman. I never saw him put peroxide in his hair to become a blonde so he could get more attention. I never saw him strut in the dugut and look for a TV camera. If either of them come across as "soft", it's Bregman. Berkman did finish 3rd in Mvp voting twice. Wonder if Bregman has ever finished in the top 3 in Mvp voting? |
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Post by Saint on Feb 21, 2020 22:57:07 GMT -6
I think by soft he means the injuries. Bregman has been a rock so far.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 21, 2020 23:28:53 GMT -6
You didn't care for a class act like Lance Berkman but are a huge fan of an immature attention-getter like Bregman. I saw nothing soft about Lance Berkman. I never saw him put peroxide in his hair to become a blonde so he could get more attention. I never saw him strut in the dugut and look for a TV camera. If either of them come across as "soft", it's Bregman. Bregman is a stud and you know it. i said he was a great player, but, he doesn't have the character Berkman had. Berkman never tried to draw attention to himself. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 21, 2020 23:32:26 GMT -6
You didn't care for a class act like Lance Berkman but are a huge fan of an immature attention-getter like Bregman. I saw nothing soft about Lance Berkman. I never saw him put peroxide in his hair to become a blonde so he could get more attention. I never saw him strut in the dugut and look for a TV camera. If either of them come across as "soft", it's Bregman. Berkman did finish 3rd in Mvp voting twice. Wonder if Bregman has ever finished in the top 3 in Mvp voting? A high finish in the MVP voting doesn't prevent a player from coming across as a jerk. Bregman is by far the most hated Astro on the team due to his big mouth and antics in front of the camera. Again,. he is a good player who needs to grow up and show some maturity. Hopefully, Baker won't ignore all of his childish shenanigans the way Hinch did. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 21, 2020 23:33:26 GMT -6
I think by soft he means the injuries. Bregman has been a rock so far. Bregman never crashed into outfield fences to catch a ball, either. |
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Post by marshall on Feb 22, 2020 7:09:49 GMT -6
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Post by marshall on Feb 22, 2020 7:20:27 GMT -6
I was more surprised about Biggio taking a while. It used to be that 3,000 hits was a first-ballot lock. Yeah, that was more surprising. Was it really? He wasn't a current or former New York team. Yankees, Mets, Dodgers or Giants have a different standard. Maybe the OLD Cardinals. |
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Post by marshall on Feb 22, 2020 7:23:19 GMT -6
You didn't care for a class act like Lance Berkman but are a huge fan of an immature attention-getter like Bregman. I saw nothing soft about Lance Berkman. I never saw him put peroxide in his hair to become a blonde so he could get more attention. I never saw him strut in the dugut and look for a TV camera. If either of them come across as "soft", it's Bregman. Bregman is a stud and you know it. They are both studs. One was a traditional self deprecating Stud and one is a modern attitude (since Cassius Clay) Stud. |
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Post by marshall on Feb 22, 2020 7:32:20 GMT -6
I think by soft he means the injuries. Bregman has been a rock so far. Bregman never crashed into outfield fences to catch a ball, either. Berkman handled Tals Hill well.
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2020 8:28:13 GMT -6
I think by soft he means the injuries. Bregman has been a rock so far. Bregman never crashed into outfield fences to catch a ball, either. Eh, not all of Berkmans health issues were for that. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2020 8:31:00 GMT -6
Berkman was great, but even I believe he needed to at least reach 2000 Hits or 400 HR. Especially since, while he moved around to help out, he never contributed much on defense or baserunning.
I would take Berkman's attitude over Bregmans though.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 22, 2020 10:04:56 GMT -6
Bregman never crashed into outfield fences to catch a ball, either. Eh, not all of Berkmans health issues were for that. I didn't keep a running account of how he was injured, but, I do know that he busted his ass to help the team win. He was a switch-hitter with power and would have taken advantage of all the shifts we see today, He had power to the opposite field and did not always try to pull every pitch. I don't think Berkman ever missed six weeks because he had a fractured rib due to strange circumstances. I will wait a few years before comparing the careers of Berkman and Bregman. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 22, 2020 11:30:20 GMT -6
From the left side of the plate, Berkman had one of the most graceful finishes to a swing I’ve ever seen with the whole placing the bat down gently during home runs. There’d simply be jogging around the bases and no hamming it up to the cameras for ratings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 11:34:47 GMT -6
From the left side of the plate, Berkman had one of the most graceful finishes to a swing I’ve ever seen with the whole placing the bat down gently during home runs. There’d simply be jogging around the bases and no hamming it up to the cameras for ratings. Agreed. He also always claimed he had more power right handed but he did not look as graceful batting right handed. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 22, 2020 11:43:16 GMT -6
From the left side of the plate, Berkman had one of the most graceful finishes to a swing I’ve ever seen with the whole placing the bat down gently during home runs. There’d simply be jogging around the bases and no hamming it up to the cameras for ratings. Agreed. He also always claimed he had more power right handed but he did not look as graceful batting right handed. From the left side, he swung like Griffey. From the right side, he swung like me at softball after having a few too many. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2020 14:12:18 GMT -6
Eh, not all of Berkmans health issues were for that. I didn't keep a running account of how he was injured, but, I do know that he busted his ass to help the team win. He was a switch-hitter with power and would have taken advantage of all the shifts we see today, He had power to the opposite field and did not always try to pull every pitch. I don't think Berkman ever missed six weeks because he had a fractured rib due to strange circumstances. I will wait a few years before comparing the careers of Berkman and Bregman. Bregman has done whatever it takes to help the team win also though. He's cocky for sure, but he has always played hard. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 22, 2020 14:17:48 GMT -6
I didn't keep a running account of how he was injured, but, I do know that he busted his ass to help the team win. He was a switch-hitter with power and would have taken advantage of all the shifts we see today, He had power to the opposite field and did not always try to pull every pitch. I don't think Berkman ever missed six weeks because he had a fractured rib due to strange circumstances. I will wait a few years before comparing the careers of Berkman and Bregman. Bregman has done whatever it takes to help the team win also though. He's cocky for sure, but he has always played hard. It’s a product of the times. He probably has cocky influences around him, and it’s also society that promotes showboat behavior and showing “la pasión” at all times for the cameras. Furthermore, Manfred and MLB will support anything that could remotely drive up ratings. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 22, 2020 17:47:18 GMT -6
Berkman was great, but even I believe he needed to at least reach 2000 Hits or 400 HR. Especially since, while he moved around to help out, he never contributed much on defense or baserunning. I would take Berkman's attitude over Bregmans though. I don’t necessarily even think he should have ultimately been enshrined, but I think one and done was a bit much. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2020 18:20:56 GMT -6
Berkman was great, but even I believe he needed to at least reach 2000 Hits or 400 HR. Especially since, while he moved around to help out, he never contributed much on defense or baserunning. I would take Berkman's attitude over Bregmans though. I don’t necessarily even think he should have ultimately been enshrined, but I think one and done was a bit much. I agree with that. |
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Post by churchill on Feb 23, 2020 1:37:55 GMT -6
And you proved the very reason why the WS and LCS are tainted, because we will never know definitively if We would have won anyway. It very well could have, it must have had some impact on the series. I mean knowing which pitch was coming was a huge advantage. But you could say that about anything. You also don't know that we may not have done even better without it since we were better on the road when not using the system. And as we've seen, most of these teams knew there was something going on anyways (and some were doing similar stuff also), so they were countering it in the postseason (like the Nationals reported). If there had been no cheating at all then we would know the outcome was legit. That fact that there is doubt is why it's tainted. It doesn't matter if hurt or help the Astros, that FACT that no one will ever be certain is why it's tainted, and the entire baseball world outside of Houston will forever consider it tainted... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 23, 2020 6:08:23 GMT -6
But you could say that about anything. You also don't know that we may not have done even better without it since we were better on the road when not using the system. And as we've seen, most of these teams knew there was something going on anyways (and some were doing similar stuff also), so they were countering it in the postseason (like the Nationals reported). If there had been no cheating at all then we would know the outcome was legit. That fact that there is doubt is why it's tainted. It doesn't matter if hurt or help the Astros, that FACT that no one will ever be certain is why it's tainted, and the entire baseball world outside of Houston will forever consider it tainted... We consider it tainted too, but we believe winning with steroids is tainted too along with the Maier-assisted home run by Jeter, greenie-crazed offenses, the steroid era, Bobby Thomson’s homer, Denkinger’s blown call at first base aiding the Royals... |
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Post by Saint on Feb 23, 2020 8:11:24 GMT -6
I don't consider it tainted. It's only tainted if the MLB head office pulls it. Otherwise, it's just another case of breaking rules and being punished as has gone on forever.
I don't care what other fans think. All teams have broken rules.
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Post by olpapa on Feb 23, 2020 8:49:04 GMT -6
I don't consider it tainted. It's only tainted if the MLB head office pulls it. Otherwise, it's just another case of breaking rules and being punished as has gone on forever. I don't care what other fans think. All teams have broken rules. You are correct sir. If the Astros 2017 WS championship is tainted by way of the team gaining an advantage because players used illegal sign stealing, then every WS championship won by a team that gained an advantage by way of players using PEDs is tainted. I don’t hear anyone calling for those teams who won championships by employing juiced players to give up their title. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 23, 2020 9:57:55 GMT -6
I don't consider it tainted in the least bit......I am damn proud of the WS title we won. I think this scandal and all the backlash will pull this team together. We have leaders like Altuve, Verlander, Springer and Brantley that will help the younger guys deal with the negativity they will face on the road. We will get a lot of support from our home fans. The losers are going to cry and whine no matter how often our players apologize. They have said enough and should refuse to talk about this crap to the media who will report whatever they choose no matter what the players say. Let the performance on the field do the talking.
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 23, 2020 11:03:41 GMT -6
But you could say that about anything. You also don't know that we may not have done even better without it since we were better on the road when not using the system. And as we've seen, most of these teams knew there was something going on anyways (and some were doing similar stuff also), so they were countering it in the postseason (like the Nationals reported). If there had been no cheating at all then we would know the outcome was legit. That fact that there is doubt is why it's tainted. It doesn't matter if hurt or help the Astros, that FACT that no one will ever be certain is why it's tainted, and the entire baseball world outside of Houston will forever consider it tainted... I just looked it up. It still says 2017 World Series champions. |
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Post by churchill on Feb 23, 2020 11:52:19 GMT -6
If there had been no cheating at all then we would know the outcome was legit. That fact that there is doubt is why it's tainted. It doesn't matter if hurt or help the Astros, that FACT that no one will ever be certain is why it's tainted, and the entire baseball world outside of Houston will forever consider it tainted... I just looked it up. It still says 2017 World Series champions. As long as people remember that series, in their minds it will always be tainted, regardless of what the record book says. |
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