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Post by Saint on Feb 23, 2020 12:43:08 GMT -6
I just looked it up. It still says 2017 World Series champions. As long as people remember that series, in their minds it will always be tainted, regardless of what the record book says. For some, sure. For some, no. For others it will soften and they won't care. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 13:02:25 GMT -6
I don’t consider the title tainted either. However, the scandal does put a little damper on such a magical season. Getting JV at the deadline, Harvey, WS title, Tuve MVP....
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 23, 2020 18:17:53 GMT -6
I just looked it up. It still says 2017 World Series champions. As long as people remember that series, in their minds it will always be tainted, regardless of what the record book says. That taint plus $7 will get you a medium coffee at Starbucks. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 23, 2020 19:18:55 GMT -6
As long as people remember that series, in their minds it will always be tainted, regardless of what the record book says. That taint plus $7 will get you a medium coffee at Starbucks. ***** Brilliant. |
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Post by marshall on Feb 24, 2020 7:22:24 GMT -6
There are no tainted Champions. But many were PAINTED.
ps After you think you've got it, wait a while and consider it. Then think again.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 24, 2020 10:18:05 GMT -6
There are no tainted Champions. But many were PAINTED.
ps After you think you've got it, wait a while and consider it. Then think again.
The sad, slow spiral into dementia. Tough to watch. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 24, 2020 10:59:44 GMT -6
There are no tainted Champions. But many were PAINTED.
ps After you think you've got it, wait a while and consider it. Then think again.
Put away the hooch, mister. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 24, 2020 11:30:09 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 24, 2020 12:06:32 GMT -6
competing in rodeo events and riding a motorcycle makes him an idiot. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 24, 2020 16:48:57 GMT -6
Bumgarner is a legend.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 24, 2020 18:40:02 GMT -6
From a fan perspective, Bumgarner is awesome. From a D-Backs executive standpoint, I’d be very pissed.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 25, 2020 19:10:26 GMT -6
Who will land a job first after their suspensions are over, Luhnow or Hinch?
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Post by sempersmom on Feb 25, 2020 19:31:23 GMT -6
Who will land a job first after their suspensions are over, Luhnow or Hinch? Hinch |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 25, 2020 20:18:12 GMT -6
Who will land a job first after their suspensions are over, Luhnow or Hinch? Hinch I agree and some think he will replace Baker. |
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Post by olpapa on Feb 25, 2020 21:15:32 GMT -6
Who will land a job first after their suspensions are over, Luhnow or Hinch? Hinch. He is a nice young man. Wouldn’t do or say anything to upset anyone. A Stanford man, you know. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 27, 2020 16:47:50 GMT -6
Just curious as to when the Red Sox will get punished? Should I not hold my breath?
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Post by Saint on Feb 27, 2020 16:49:42 GMT -6
Just curious as to when the Red Sox will get punished? Should I not hold my breath? I think the longer the wait there is, the lighter the punishment. Unless they're finding other areas to pursue and investigate (Yankees, hopefully). |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 27, 2020 16:51:28 GMT -6
Just curious as to when the Red Sox will get punished? Should I not hold my breath? I think the longer the wait there is, the lighter the punishment. Unless they're finding other areas to pursue and investigate (Yankees, hopefully). My question is how could the Astros have been the only team that’s been monitored all this time? |
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Post by batman007 on Feb 27, 2020 17:48:42 GMT -6
I think the longer the wait there is, the lighter the punishment. Unless they're finding other areas to pursue and investigate (Yankees, hopefully). My question is how could the Astros have been the only team that’s been monitored all this time? Maybe because we’re the only team that was doing it? |
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Post by talshill on Feb 27, 2020 20:17:26 GMT -6
My question is how could the Astros have been the only team that’s been monitored all this time? Maybe because we’re the only team that was doing it? Nope. Only ones who were ratted out. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 27, 2020 20:17:49 GMT -6
My question is how could the Astros have been the only team that’s been monitored all this time? Maybe because we’re the only team that was doing it? Provide a little proof that we were the only team that was doing it,. |
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Post by talshill on Feb 27, 2020 20:21:56 GMT -6
Maybe because we’re the only team that was doing it? Provide a little proof that we were the only team that was doing it,. Kinda difficult to disprove a non-crime. Until someone else squawks. And they will. Eventually. |
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Post by batman007 on Feb 27, 2020 20:31:13 GMT -6
Maybe because we’re the only team that was doing it? Provide a little proof that we were the only team that was doing it,. Provide a little proof that we weren’t. Show me the commissioner’s report that says other teams were doing what we were. I’ll wait. |
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Post by batman007 on Feb 27, 2020 20:32:56 GMT -6
Maybe because we’re the only team that was doing it? Nope. Only ones who were ratted out. It’s either or. We won’t know until a Mike Fiers comes out with such heavy accusations. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 27, 2020 23:28:53 GMT -6
Provide a little proof that we were the only team that was doing it,. Provide a little proof that we weren’t. Show me the commissioner’s report that says other teams were doing what we were. I’ll wait. There is no proof that we weren't and there is no proof that other teams did not do the same thing. The commissioner hasn't had the balls to investigate another team. He made an example of the Astros, mainly because they had beaten the Yankees and Dodger. Manfred doesn't have the balls to investigte those two because he doesn't want to find anything on them. Plus, he would cover up anything he found on them. You are naive if you actually believe that the Astros are the only team to cheat. |
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Post by marshall on Feb 28, 2020 0:31:06 GMT -6
My question is how could the Astros have been the only team that’s been monitored all this time? Maybe because we’re the only team that was doing it? Not a chance in the world that nobody else 'was/still is' doing it. The Astros just modernized it like they do shifts and spin rates. But apparently it turned out to be wholly ineffective when the home record was so dramatically worse than their road record. If the records were reversed, there'd be a far better case that it was an advantage. |
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Post by olpapa on Feb 28, 2020 8:05:02 GMT -6
I will always believe that Beltran brought with him from his time with the Yankees the idea of using the live feed from the CF camera to a monitor near the dugout for stealing signs in real time. He reportedly told the Astros prior to the 2017 season, “you are behind the times,” on stealing signs and getting that info to the batters. How else would he have known that the Astros were behind the times if he had not seen the CF camera used in conjunction with a monitor near the dugout process in action with another team. He spent all of the 2014 and 2015 seasons and the first 90 games of the 2016 season with the Yankees.
I could believe that the trash can banging was Cora’s idea.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 28, 2020 8:34:58 GMT -6
I will always believe that Beltran brought with him from his time with the Yankees the idea of using the live feed from the CF camera to a monitor near the dugout for stealing signs in real time. He reportedly told the Astros prior to the 2017 season, “you are behind the times,” on stealing signs and getting that info to the batters. How else would he have known that the Astros were behind the times if he had not seen the CF camera used in conjunction with a monitor near the dugout if he had not observed this process in action with another team. He spent all of the 2014 and 2015 seasons and the first 90 games of the 2016 season with the Yankees. I could believe that the trash can banging was Cora’s idea. I agree...There are only a few that are saying it happens league wide, but they are getting drowned out by the media.....and I believe that is being directed by MLB, let the Astros be the only one....just let the public hate them...keep the focus on them.... However, I am thinking that eventually it will get out that other teams are doing it....why, because the media will turn on MLB, once the Astros hate thing has just lost its attention....and then the media will want to get more public attention, so other teams will eventually be exposed.... So enjoy it Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers fans, this is just temporary, you will be grouped in with the Astros at some time in the future.....the Astros will get the worst of it, because they are at the front lines, but once that line is gone, you are going to get hit next....may be not has hard....but nonetheless, your soapbox will be gone.... |
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Post by Saint on Feb 28, 2020 8:58:36 GMT -6
Nope. Only ones who were ratted out. It’s either or. We won’t know until a Mike Fiers comes out with such heavy accusations. Logan Morrison called out the Dodgers, Red Sox, and Yankees along with us. Only the Red Sox are being investigated due to the known Cora link. Yet the Yankees and Dodgers, who have both been accused by other teams and players, are not being investigated. I don't believe there is a conspiracy, but it's a little strange that the two largest payrolls with two of the largest fanbases are not being investigated when there seems to be plenty of reasons to look into them. Especially considering the Yankees were fined in 2017 already. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 28, 2020 9:03:45 GMT -6
I will always believe that Beltran brought with him from his time with the Yankees the idea of using the live feed from the CF camera to a monitor near the dugout for stealing signs in real time. He reportedly told the Astros prior to the 2017 season, “you are behind the times,” on stealing signs and getting that info to the batters. How else would he have known that the Astros were behind the times if he had not seen the CF camera used in conjunction with a monitor near the dugout process in action with another team. He spent all of the 2014 and 2015 seasons and the first 90 games of the 2016 season with the Yankees. I could believe that the trash can banging was Cora’s idea. I think that's exactly it. The Red Sox accused the Yankees of cheating back in 2017 already, and, while MLB claimed they didn't find enough evidence, they were still fined. Me thinks they cleaned up their act before the investigation showed up and they weren't investigated as seriously as we were, otherwise more would have come from it. The Astros pissed too many people off because of the culture in the FO and the success they had beating large market teams repeatedly. When you add in the fact that media (and social media) wants "likes and subscribes" spreading gossip and exaggerating stories, you get a perfect storm of who to single out as the problem. Make an example out of that problem team and then claim you've fixed the issue. That's what MLB wants. The Astros broke the rules, but this has been elevated way past what it should have been. |
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