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Post by batman007 on Nov 18, 2019 20:15:26 GMT -6
I feel like it will be a fine, and maybe a draft pick or two. I can kinda see a ban being possible, but it will be to a no name scape goat. Probably some low level employee the Astros will pin it on. No way do I see Luhnow, Hinch, or any of the other bigger names taking any punishment for it.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 18, 2019 20:31:54 GMT -6
I feel like it will be a fine, and maybe a draft pick or two. I can kinda see a ban being possible, but it will be to a no name scape goat. Probably some low level employee the Astros will pin it on. No way do I see Luhnow, Hinch, or any of the other bigger names taking any punishment for it. I've already turned you in for the big, orange flag. Just take one for the team |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 18, 2019 21:06:19 GMT -6
I feel like it will be a fine, and maybe a draft pick or two. I can kinda see a ban being possible, but it will be to a no name scape goat. Probably some low level employee the Astros will pin it on. No way do I see Luhnow, Hinch, or any of the other bigger names taking any punishment for it. If this went down as it is alleged to have gone down, it is hard to see how anyone in the dugout, clubhouse or FO could be unaware of it. Every batter had to be aware of it. If there is a TV monitor in the tunnel leading from the dugout to the clubhouse on which is a live feed of the opposing team’s catcher giving signals, every player and coach would have to be aware of it. Goldstein..., special assistant to Luhnow..., emails instructions to scouts telling them to attend games, attempt to steal signals and report back the info “we” in the FO want to know. If all that is true, I’m amazed they have been able to keep a lid on it this long. This is going to be a white mark on the Astros’ reputation. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 18, 2019 22:08:23 GMT -6
I chose D. No way is it going to be any more lenient.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 19, 2019 0:19:06 GMT -6
Not a damn thing........it would create a scandal all over both leagues.......They will "conduct and in-depth investigation" and determine there is not enough evidence.
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Post by Saint on Nov 19, 2019 8:38:14 GMT -6
Not a damn thing........it would create a scandal all over both leagues.......They will "conduct and in-depth investigation" and determine there is not enough evidence. I hope you're right, but I think there is too much uproar over this for NOTHING to come out of it. The league will make an example of us to an extent, even if not much is found. But I don't see how they can't find something out of all this mess. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 19, 2019 8:58:57 GMT -6
Nolan is gonna snitch us out and get Luhnow banned
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Post by Saint on Nov 19, 2019 9:07:47 GMT -6
He wouldn't want the bad press for his son or himself though. They were big parts of 2017 themselves.
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Post by sempersmom on Nov 19, 2019 9:28:52 GMT -6
The latest stupid rumor to come out on the New York Post was that the Astros were wearing bandaids to cover their cameras. Channel 13 sports reporter just laughed at this last night. Their paranoia is just getting more and more ridiculous.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 19, 2019 10:17:37 GMT -6
I think all of these outlandish allegations will end up helping the Astros because only idiots believe most of these wild stories. a butt hurt stooge like Mike Fiers, who was basically kicked off the Astros in 2017, started all of this crap. Here is a guy who was part of the team most of the season, became horrible on the mound, and lost his job. He was left off the playoff roster and non-tendered a contract so this is his attempt at paying the Astros back. He is a joke and an embarrassment.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 10:20:38 GMT -6
The latest stupid rumor to come out on the New York Post was that the Astros were wearing bandaids to cover their cameras. Channel 13 sports reporter just laughed at this last night. Their paranoia is just getting more and more ridiculous. Like Jomboy said, these kinds of crazy theories hurt their case. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 19, 2019 10:59:04 GMT -6
I think all of these outlandish allegations will end up helping the Astros because only idiots believe most of these wild stories. a butt hurt stooge like Mike Fiers, who was basically kicked off the Astros in 2017, started all of this crap. Here is a guy who was part of the team most of the season, became horrible on the mound, and lost his job. He was left off the playoff roster and non-tendered a contract so this is his attempt at paying the Astros back. He is a joke and an embarrassment. Wait...hold up...I thought it was New York Yankees fans and the media? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 11:15:02 GMT -6
Went the "other" choice. 1st and 2nd choices in poll. I think the team will negotiate down to a multi-million dollar fine, and couple of years of high draft picks. The more punative measures like GM ban and WS trophy would invoke a nuclear scorched earth direction that baseball can't afford right now. Most of the teams in the game would be implicated. Could be the end of the game as we know it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 11:28:27 GMT -6
Not a damn thing........it would create a scandal all over both leagues.......They will "conduct and in-depth investigation" and determine there is not enough evidence. I hope you're right, but I think there is too much uproar over this for NOTHING to come out of it. The league will make an example of us to an extent, even if not much is found. But I don't see how they can't find something out of all this mess. The Lame Stream Media has already set the narrative. Turning a blind eye to the (cough cough) pervasive cheating would be just as damaging to the game, and its percieved reputation. When $100's M of dollars and jobs ride on getting a competitve advantage, it becomes a dog eat dog world. If and when the truth comes out, I beleive that it will be found that this type of "advantage gaining" is culturally entrenched ubiquitous as hell. Whether the MLB owners and COB office want their dirty little secrets aired is the $64000 question. What I want to know, is why the Astros were chosen to be the punching bag of what might turn out to be a scandal that kills MLB's antitrust status |
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Post by Saint on Nov 19, 2019 11:30:49 GMT -6
I hope you're right, but I think there is too much uproar over this for NOTHING to come out of it. The league will make an example of us to an extent, even if not much is found. But I don't see how they can't find something out of all this mess. The Lame Stream Media has already set the narrative. Turning a blind eye to the (cough cough) pervasive cheating would be just as damaging to the game, and its percieved reputation. When $100's M of dollars and jobs ride on getting a competitve advantage, it becomes a dog eat dog world. If and when the truth comes out, I beleive that it will be found that this type of "advantage gaining" is culturally entrenched ubiquitous as hell. Whether the MLB owners and COB office want their dirty little secrets aired is the $64000 question. What I want to know, is why the Astros were chosen to be the punching bag of what might turn out to be a scandal that kills MLB's antitrust status I honestly believe that the negative attention our FO has received due to poor public optics is a major part of the issue. I'm not say that it's right, but it hurts. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 11:52:15 GMT -6
The Lame Stream Media has already set the narrative. Turning a blind eye to the (cough cough) pervasive cheating would be just as damaging to the game, and its percieved reputation. When $100's M of dollars and jobs ride on getting a competitve advantage, it becomes a dog eat dog world. If and when the truth comes out, I beleive that it will be found that this type of "advantage gaining" is culturally entrenched ubiquitous as hell. Whether the MLB owners and COB office want their dirty little secrets aired is the $64000 question. What I want to know, is why the Astros were chosen to be the punching bag of what might turn out to be a scandal that kills MLB's antitrust status I honestly believe that the negative attention our FO has received due to poor public optics is a major part of the issue. I'm not say that it's right, but it hurts. Post Taulbman, Osuna fall out? I thought that too. Leave it to the MSM to tie a SJW Crusader to a powder keg that might destroy the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 12:06:25 GMT -6
The latest stupid rumor to come out on the New York Post was that the Astros were wearing bandaids to cover their cameras. Channel 13 sports reporter just laughed at this last night. Their paranoia is just getting more and more ridiculous. The honest truth? The team used its NASA connection, and employed greys to improve baseball to bat flight.   |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 12:58:23 GMT -6
The Lame Stream Media has already set the narrative. Turning a blind eye to the (cough cough) pervasive cheating would be just as damaging to the game, and its percieved reputation. When $100's M of dollars and jobs ride on getting a competitve advantage, it becomes a dog eat dog world. If and when the truth comes out, I beleive that it will be found that this type of "advantage gaining" is culturally entrenched ubiquitous as hell. Whether the MLB owners and COB office want their dirty little secrets aired is the $64000 question. What I want to know, is why the Astros were chosen to be the punching bag of what might turn out to be a scandal that kills MLB's antitrust status I honestly believe that the negative attention our FO has received due to poor public optics is a major part of the issue. I'm not say that it's right, but it hurts. They knew the optics when they traded for Osuna. They knew it when they didn’t immediately reprimand Taubman. They’ve remained quiet on Goldstein. It’s a little too late for them to cry foul. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 19, 2019 13:17:09 GMT -6
I honestly believe that the negative attention our FO has received due to poor public optics is a major part of the issue. I'm not say that it's right, but it hurts. They knew the optics when they traded for Osuna. They knew it when they didn’t immediately reprimand Taubman. They’ve remained quiet on Goldstein. It’s a little too late for them to cry foul. And I don't think the FO is. They seem to be okay with not being angels in the outfield, so to speak. And that's fine if we win, imo. Just don't get butthurt when your negative optics attract negative attention (the way a lot of our fellow fans seem to be taking it). Winners win and don't often worry about what the losers think. If that's the FO's mindset I'm okay with it as long as we keep on winning and don't get TOO ridiculous with some of the negative stuff. I don't mind us pushing the boundaries on some stuff, but I don't want to root for the Mob either. |
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Post by sempersmom on Nov 19, 2019 14:01:36 GMT -6
The latest stupid rumor to come out on the New York Post was that the Astros were wearing bandaids to cover their cameras. Channel 13 sports reporter just laughed at this last night. Their paranoia is just getting more and more ridiculous. Like Jomboy said, these kinds of crazy theories hurt their case. You’re quoting Jomboy? He’s nothing but a Yankees fanboy spewing all these crazy conspiracies. I thought better of you. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 14:36:47 GMT -6
Like Jomboy said, these kinds of crazy theories hurt their case. You’re quoting Jomboy? He’s nothing but a Yankees fanboy spewing all these crazy conspiracies. I thought better of you. I’m saying the anti-Astros sound crazy with theories like that. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 19, 2019 15:03:21 GMT -6
I think all of these outlandish allegations will end up helping the Astros because only idiots believe most of these wild stories. a butt hurt stooge like Mike Fiers, who was basically kicked off the Astros in 2017, started all of this crap. Here is a guy who was part of the team most of the season, became horrible on the mound, and lost his job. He was left off the playoff roster and non-tendered a contract so this is his attempt at paying the Astros back. He is a joke and an embarrassment. Wait...hold up...I thought it was New York Yankees fans and the media? Fiers set off a chain reaction......The Yankees and East coast media jumped on it......They devote hours to it each day on MLB network. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 19, 2019 15:05:27 GMT -6
I honestly believe that the negative attention our FO has received due to poor public optics is a major part of the issue. I'm not say that it's right, but it hurts. Post Taulbman, Osuna fall out? I thought that too. Leave it to the MSM to tie a SJW Crusader to a powder keg that might destroy the game. What would the Osuna trade have to do with this? If people are still whining about this, they need pacifiers and play doh.......and. we have some Astros fans who need both. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 19, 2019 15:07:34 GMT -6
Post Taulbman, Osuna fall out? I thought that too. Leave it to the MSM to tie a SJW Crusader to a powder keg that might destroy the game. What would the Osuna trade have to do with this? It helped bring negative attention from the media and made us a bit more of a target. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 19, 2019 15:49:49 GMT -6
What would the Osuna trade have to do with this? It helped bring negative attention from the media and made us a bit more of a target. These idiots need to get over it.........If we traded for Osuna and there was evidence that he had physically abused that woman, it would be different.....NO evidence of any violence was ever presented. NO charges were filed and the whole thing was dropped. This is the same as someone being no-billed by a grand jury and people continuing to whine about it and attack someone who was not indicted, let alone convicted. Osuna led the league in saves and some panty waists don't like it. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 19, 2019 15:51:19 GMT -6
It helped bring negative attention from the media and made us a bit more of a target. These idiots need to get over it.........If we traded for Osuna and there was evidence that he had physically abused that woman, it would be different.....NO evidence of any violence was ever presented. NO charges were filed and the whole thing was dropped. This is the same as someone being no-billed by a grand jury and people continuing to whine about it and attack someone who was not indicted, let alone convicted. Osuna led the league in saves and some panty waists don't like it. Definitely put a black eye on the organization (poor taste pun intended) |
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Post by Saint on Nov 19, 2019 16:31:22 GMT -6
It helped bring negative attention from the media and made us a bit more of a target. These idiots need to get over it.........If we traded for Osuna and there was evidence that he had physically abused that woman, it would be different.....NO evidence of any violence was ever presented. NO charges were filed and the whole thing was dropped. This is the same as someone being no-billed by a grand jury and people continuing to whine about it and attack someone who was not indicted, let alone convicted. Osuna led the league in saves and some panty waists don't like it. It doesn't matter what we believe Osuna did or didn't do. What matters is what the media and the court of public opinion believes he did. And, unfortunately, there was enough of an issue there to warrant his uncontested suspension and lack of denials by Osuna which made him look bad. Then, as an organization, we looked bad bringing him in to the fold. Then, knowing his alleged past, one of our top FO people blurted out stupid drunken nonsense about him to the media. Which again, looks bad. The same media that we this year didn't allow in to speak to Verlander for no particularly good reason... Add that with the weird 2018 camera-on-camera spying bullshit in Cleveland, and the story from Fiers (and other unnamed sources), and now an email from a head guy telling scouts to basically see if it's possible for us to cheat (or at least push the boundaries of the rules at minimum), and you get where we're at now. And then on top of all of that nonsense, everything we've released in our official statements has either smelled like obvious bullshit, or it had to flat out be retracted because what we said was wrong. The FO brought a shitstorm on themselves and have nobody else to blame for it. That being said it brought about the most successful run in franchise history and made us a borderline dynasty-caliber team, so I don't have a major issue with it...yet. Osuna leading the league in saves doesn't matter to anybody anywhere. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 19, 2019 18:00:18 GMT -6
One thing we know for sure..........the media doesn't blow things out of proportion or outright lie. You can believe everything the media puts out.
I am going to be very honest.........I don't care if they stole signs and I don't care how they did if it happened. There is not ONE team in either league who would not have done the same thing.....Many of them probably did. If the Astros had not started winning, this would have never been mentioned. I don't give a shit if they stole signs, and, I doubt if most Astros fans do, either. We have two AL pennants and a WS title in the last three years......not the damn Yankees.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 18:06:27 GMT -6
One thing we know for sure..........the media doesn't blow things out of proportion or outright lie. You can believe everything the media puts out. I am going to be very honest.........I don't care if they stole signs and I don't care how they did if it happened. There is not ONE team in either league who would not have done the same thing.....Many of them probably did. If the Astros had not started winning, this would have never been mentioned. I don't give a shit if they stole signs, and, I doubt if most Astros fans do, either. We have two AL pennants and a WS title in the last three years......not the damn Yankees. Now, that’s a more honest and fair assessment. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 19, 2019 18:24:20 GMT -6
I voted all above. IF it is true, they will make an example of us.
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