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Post by batman007 on Feb 12, 2020 17:23:44 GMT -6
A topic for all the players who have so far (and eventually will) come out and apologized or said something regarding the scandal First it was Dallas Keuchel, Keuchel
Uncle Charlie next, Morton
Marwin Gonzalez was the first hitter to say something, Gonzalez
And now Max Stassi. Stassi
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 12, 2020 17:54:01 GMT -6
Stassi?  That useless clown must not have gotten any help. He couldn't get a hit if he used a tee. Screw Stassi.....another piece of shit that got dumped decides to apologize. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 12, 2020 19:41:47 GMT -6
Stassi? That useless clown must not have gotten any help. He couldn't get a hit if he used a tee. Screw Stassi.....another piece of shit that got dumped decides to apologize. So you don't think the players did anything wrong at all and shouldn't apologize? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 12, 2020 20:09:05 GMT -6
Stassi? That useless clown must not have gotten any help. He couldn't get a hit if he used a tee. Screw Stassi.....another piece of shit that got dumped decides to apologize. So you don't think the players did anything wrong at all and shouldn't apologize? I’m really curious as to what Jeff Luhnow has to say. |
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Post by batman007 on Feb 12, 2020 20:37:15 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Feb 13, 2020 9:25:23 GMT -6
So you don't think the players did anything wrong at all and shouldn't apologize? I’m really curious as to what Jeff Luhnow has to say. I'm wondering if he's just going to keep his mouth shut and hope people move on after a year. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 13, 2020 9:48:32 GMT -6
Stassi? That useless clown must not have gotten any help. He couldn't get a hit if he used a tee. Screw Stassi.....another piece of shit that got dumped decides to apologize. So you don't think the players did anything wrong at all and shouldn't apologize? You took the words right out of my mouth..........the players took advantage of information provided them by those who instigated this mess. ANY PLAYER ON ANY TEAM would have used the informaton., The team has apologized...Luhnow and Hinch were fired.......we lost our top 2 draft picks for two years and we were fined $5 million......Individual players should not be asked to apologize and they should refer all questions to the manager, GM, and owner. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 13, 2020 9:52:17 GMT -6
I’m really curious as to what Jeff Luhnow has to say. I'm wondering if he's just going to keep his mouth shut and hope people move on after a year. Luhnow has lied from the beginning by saying he was unaware of the sign-stealing and has never come close to accepting any responsibility much less apologize. He deserved a much stiffer punishment than Hinch, who accepted responsibility for not stopping it. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 13, 2020 10:15:20 GMT -6
So you don't think the players did anything wrong at all and shouldn't apologize? You took the words right out of my mouth..........the players took advantage of information provided them by those who instigated this mess. ANY PLAYER ON ANY TEAM would have used the informaton., The team has apologized...Luhnow and Hinch were fired.......we lost our top 2 draft picks for two years and we were fined $5 million......Individual players should not be asked to apologize and they should refer all questions to the manager, GM, and owner. But the players are grown men who had a huge role in it. Accountability is part of being a good man. Everybody makes mistakes, but you have to acknowledge and improve. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 13, 2020 10:19:21 GMT -6
You took the words right out of my mouth..........the players took advantage of information provided them by those who instigated this mess. ANY PLAYER ON ANY TEAM would have used the informaton., The team has apologized...Luhnow and Hinch were fired.......we lost our top 2 draft picks for two years and we were fined $5 million......Individual players should not be asked to apologize and they should refer all questions to the manager, GM, and owner. But the players are grown men who had a huge role in it. Accountability is part of being a good man. Everybody makes mistakes, but you have to acknowledge and improve. Yes, this is what everyone seems to ignore. It’s all about pride with some folks. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 13, 2020 10:26:53 GMT -6
You took the words right out of my mouth..........the players took advantage of information provided them by those who instigated this mess. ANY PLAYER ON ANY TEAM would have used the informaton., The team has apologized...Luhnow and Hinch were fired.......we lost our top 2 draft picks for two years and we were fined $5 million......Individual players should not be asked to apologize and they should refer all questiA;;ons to the manager, GM, and owner. But the players are grown men who had a huge role in it. Accountability is part of being a good man. Everybody makes mistakes, but you have to acknowledge and improve. All the players did was use information given by those responsible for instigating and carrying out the sign-stealing. As I said many times, every player on every team in baseball would have done the same. They acknowledged and apologized as a TEAM. it is not necessary for each player to apologize and beg forgiveness. From now on, the players do not need to answer any more questions and tell the media that it's time to go after other teams who are also violating rules. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 13, 2020 10:29:44 GMT -6
But the players are grown men who had a huge role in it. Accountability is part of being a good man. Everybody makes mistakes, but you have to acknowledge and improve. All the players did was use information given by those responsible for instigating and carrying out the sign-stealing. As I said many times, every player on every team in baseball would have done the same. They acknowledged and apologized as a TEAM. it is not necessary for each player to apologize and beg forgiveness. From now on, the players do not need to answer any more questions and tell the media that it's time to go after other teams who are also violating rules. Just because everybody does something doesn't make it right. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 13, 2020 10:29:46 GMT -6
But the players are grown men who had a huge role in it. Accountability is part of being a good man. Everybody makes mistakes, but you have to acknowledge and improve. Yes, this is what everyone seems to ignore. It’s all about pride with some folks. Who ignored it? They apologized as a TEAM and players make up the team. There is no need for Bregman, Altuve, Springer, or anyone else to issue a personal apology. Those that have are former Astros who are trying to fend off the wrath that other teams have for the Astros.. All who were basically dumped. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 13, 2020 10:30:39 GMT -6
All the players did was use information given by those responsible for instigating and carrying out the sign-stealing. As I said many times, every player on every team in baseball would have done the same. They acknowledged and apologized as a TEAM. it is not necessary for each player to apologize and beg forgiveness. From now on, the players do not need to answer any more questions and tell the media that it's time to go after other teams who are also violating rules. Just because everybody does something doesn't make it right. Nobody said it was right. Every player I heard speak said it was wrong. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 13, 2020 10:33:31 GMT -6
Yes, this is what everyone seems to ignore. It’s all about pride with some folks. Who ignored it? They apologized as a TEAM and players make up the team. There is no need for Bregman, Altuve, Springer, or anyone else to issue a personal apology. Those that have are former Astros who are trying to fend off the wrath that other teams have for the Astros.. All who were basically dumped. No, before all they said was that the commissioner’s report said blah blah blah. If any of them apologized, the press conference wouldn’t have happened. Keuchel had the best apology. He accepted blame but also stated that it was the prevalent culture of the time in baseball. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 13, 2020 11:25:27 GMT -6
Who ignored it? They apologized as a TEAM and players make up the team. There is no need for Bregman, Altuve, Springer, or anyone else to issue a personal apology. Those that have are former Astros who are trying to fend off the wrath that other teams have for the Astros.. All who were basically dumped. No, before all they said was that the commissioner’s report said blah blah blah. If any of them apologized, the press conference wouldn’t have happened. Keuchel had the best apology. He accepted blame but also stated that it was the prevalent culture of the time in baseball. Exactly. Tell the truth. Say we thought it was the culture of baseball at the time and needed to do it to be competitive. It got out of hand and went too far. Were sorry that it got that far and that it's affected the game and hurt our fans. We never intended for it to get to this point and we're going to do everything we can moving forward to make sure it doesn't happen again. We hope MLB takes a hard look at other organizations so that this can be cleaned up. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 13, 2020 11:37:26 GMT -6
They should have picked anyone other than Bregman. His apology was obviously insincere and his cocky delivery exacerbated the low opinions people already have of them.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 13, 2020 11:39:28 GMT -6
They should have picked anyone other than Bregman. His apology was obviously insincere and his cocky delivery exacerbated the low opinions people already have of them. The more you see him, the less you believe he can be a team leader. It’s starting to become an issue. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 13, 2020 11:40:29 GMT -6
No, before all they said was that the commissioner’s report said blah blah blah. If any of them apologized, the press conference wouldn’t have happened. Keuchel had the best apology. He accepted blame but also stated that it was the prevalent culture of the time in baseball. Exactly. Tell the truth. Say we thought it was the culture of baseball at the time and needed to do it to be competitive. It got out of hand and went too far. Were sorry that it got that far and that it's affected the game and hurt our fans. We never intended for it to get to this point and we're going to do everything we can moving forward to make sure it doesn't happen again. We hope MLB takes a hard look at other organizations so that this can be cleaned up. ***** Yes. WHY can’t they go that route? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 13, 2020 11:49:58 GMT -6
I really didn’t like the defense of Beltrán. Sure, they used that to own up to their roles in the scandal, but now they’re just making Hinch the clubhouse piñata and pretending that he doesn’t exist. It doesn’t sit well with me.
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 13, 2020 11:54:41 GMT -6
I think everyone did a good job at the press conference
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 13, 2020 12:12:21 GMT -6
They should have picked anyone other than Bregman. His apology was obviously insincere and his cocky delivery exacerbated the low opinions people already have of them. Bregman is the LAST guy they should have sent out there. Springer would have been a better choice. If Verlander had been there all season, he should have been out there answering questions. After watching video. I am convinced that Altuve was wearing a buzzer when he hit the game-winning home run off Chapman. He is tightly holding his jersey on when he crossed the plate and was mobbed by teammates. He then ran into the clubhouse before coming back on the field. I have to say he is lying if he claims he was not wearing a buzzer. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 13, 2020 12:13:28 GMT -6
I think everyone did a good job at the press conference Bregman came across as an insincere phony. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 13, 2020 12:19:28 GMT -6
They should have picked anyone other than Bregman. His apology was obviously insincere and his cocky delivery exacerbated the low opinions people already have of them. Bregman is the LAST guy they should have sent out there. Springer would have been a better choice. If Verlander had been there all season, he should have been out there answering questions. After watching video. I am convinced that Altuve was wearing a buzzer when he hit the game-winning home run off Chapman. He is tightly holding his jersey on when he crossed the plate and was mobbed by teammates. He then ran into the clubhouse before coming back on the field. I have to say he is lying if he claims he was not wearing a buzzer. So you didn't see the other walkoff he had during the year where they ripped his shirt completely off? He said that he didn't want that happening again because his wife got upset the first time because of thirsty female fans. It was pretty obvious that's what it was. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 13, 2020 12:23:07 GMT -6
Bregman is the LAST guy they should have sent out there. Springer would have been a better choice. If Verlander had been there all season, he should have been out there answering questions. After watching video. I am convinced that Altuve was wearing a buzzer when he hit the game-winning home run off Chapman. He is tightly holding his jersey on when he crossed the plate and was mobbed by teammates. He then ran into the clubhouse before coming back on the field. I have to say he is lying if he claims he was not wearing a buzzer. So you didn't see the other walkoff he had during the year where they ripped his shirt completely off? He said that he didn't want that happening again because his wife got upset the first time because of thirsty female fans. It was pretty obvious that's what it was. Yes, i have seen it. We have no way of knowing how often a player could have worn a buzzer. It is very easy to see why he is accused of being wired when he hit the one off Chapman. Now, we are hearing that Springer and Yuli are accepting responsibility and saying the entire team was responsible. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 13, 2020 12:31:44 GMT -6
I don’t believe that Altuve wore a buzzer. If the whole team was in on it, why would he have to remind them not to tear his jersey?
However, I don’t blame people for saying it because of the pitch. He hit an up and away slider for a home run. First off, how rarely does he throw it there? Secondly, who would hit a homer off that pitch when the guy’s other pitch is a 100+ mph heater, and that slider is thrown almost 100% of the time down and in to righties?
I lean very solidly on “no buzzer”, but I can’t dismiss the other possibility.
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Post by Saint on Feb 13, 2020 12:39:36 GMT -6
From the numbers produced from the fan study, Altuve barely took part in the trashcan banging in 2017 to begin with. Him holding his shirt was completely normal given the previous incident. Yankees players are just whining to the media. I doubt any of them would have the guts to say he was a cheater to his face. We'll see.
As far as the pitch he hit, Altuve almost always guesses on his HRs. It's the only way a guy of his size can generate enough force to hit a HR to begin with. He has to cheat and put everything into the swing. His guessing is the reason he looks so bad on some sliders away. He has already committed to swing and then tries to correct partway through and looks awful. It's also the reason he generally struggles with the bases loaded. He goes up there trying to hit a grand slam and has horrible ABs trying to guess rather then doing what he's elite at....making contact.
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Post by blcoach8 on Feb 13, 2020 13:07:35 GMT -6
From the numbers produced from the fan study, Altuve barely took part in the trashcan banging in 2017 to begin with. Him holding his shirt was completely normal given the previous incident. Yankees players are just whining to the media. I doubt any of them would have the guts to say he was a cheater to his face. We'll see. As far as the pitch he hit, Altuve almost always guesses on his HRs. It's the only way a guy of his size can generate enough force to hit a HR to begin with. He has to cheat and put everything into the swing. His guessing is the reason he looks so bad on some sliders away. He has already committed to swing and then tries to correct partway through and looks awful. It's also the reason he generally struggles with the bases loaded. He goes up there trying to hit a grand slam and has horrible ABs trying to guess rather then doing what he's elite at....making contact. Why was Altuve obviously trying to prevent the jersey from being opened or torn after the home run. If he wasn't wearing a buzzer, I can see why people thought he was. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 13, 2020 13:12:19 GMT -6
From the numbers produced from the fan study, Altuve barely took part in the trashcan banging in 2017 to begin with. Him holding his shirt was completely normal given the previous incident. Yankees players are just whining to the media. I doubt any of them would have the guts to say he was a cheater to his face. We'll see. As far as the pitch he hit, Altuve almost always guesses on his HRs. It's the only way a guy of his size can generate enough force to hit a HR to begin with. He has to cheat and put everything into the swing. His guessing is the reason he looks so bad on some sliders away. He has already committed to swing and then tries to correct partway through and looks awful. It's also the reason he generally struggles with the bases loaded. He goes up there trying to hit a grand slam and has horrible ABs trying to guess rather then doing what he's elite at....making contact. Why was Altuve obviously trying to prevent the jersey from being opened or torn after the home run. If he wasn't wearing a buzzer, I can see why people thought he was. If they were all in on it, why would he have to tell them not to rip his shirt? |
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Post by Saint on Feb 13, 2020 13:17:37 GMT -6
From the numbers produced from the fan study, Altuve barely took part in the trashcan banging in 2017 to begin with. Him holding his shirt was completely normal given the previous incident. Yankees players are just whining to the media. I doubt any of them would have the guts to say he was a cheater to his face. We'll see. As far as the pitch he hit, Altuve almost always guesses on his HRs. It's the only way a guy of his size can generate enough force to hit a HR to begin with. He has to cheat and put everything into the swing. His guessing is the reason he looks so bad on some sliders away. He has already committed to swing and then tries to correct partway through and looks awful. It's also the reason he generally struggles with the bases loaded. He goes up there trying to hit a grand slam and has horrible ABs trying to guess rather then doing what he's elite at....making contact. Why was Altuve obviously trying to prevent the jersey from being opened or torn after the home run. If he wasn't wearing a buzzer, I can see why people thought he was. Because he didn't want his wife to get upset if his jersey got ripped off again on national TV. As somebody who has a Latina for a wife, I totally get it. |
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That useless clown must not have gotten any help. He couldn't get a hit if he used a tee. Screw Stassi.....another piece of shit that got dumped decides to apologize.
