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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2020 21:26:10 GMT -6
We need starting pitch depth as well. With ZG, Framber, Urquidy, McCullers, and Javier we have a pretty solid (not amazing) rotation. With ZG's age and McCuller's health a concern I really feel like we need a veteran that can add some solid depth. So really next year we're looking at needing a minimum of (in my opinion): 1 - Starting Pitcher 2 - Relief Pitchers 2 - Outfielders 1 - Backup Catcher And that's with assuming we're okay continuing with Toro, Taylor, and Mayfield as infield replacements... I supposed you could look at making Diaz the everyday LFer, but his health is a concern too. Edit: And I disagree that Yuli could have gotten a lot more than $7 million after his miserable year and age, on top of the bad reputation with the sign-stealing. I think he took a reasonable safe deal hoping to rebuild some more FA value. We have our backup catcher in Stubbs. If they didn't give him a shot in a year like this, he isn't getting a shot. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2020 21:30:15 GMT -6
I doubt if Correa is traded. I also think signing Brantley could be a key into signing Springer. Would you be for signing Correa to a 6 year/$200M contract after next season? I just can't see him getting that much unless he just has a monster year. He's either been injured for a good chunk of the year, or average at best the last four seasons. If he bounces back with a strong healthy year next season (and hopefully a good postseason this year), I'd consider bringing him back for the right deal. That being said, if we can't fill a number of our other holes with FAs this offseason, we need to look at trading him if it looks like we could get something good for him. (Which, might be difficult considering his up and down career and injury history.) |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 3, 2020 22:39:50 GMT -6
Would you be for signing Correa to a 6 year/$200M contract after next season? I just can't see him getting that much unless he just has a monster year. He's either been injured for a good chunk of the year, or average at best the last four seasons. If he bounces back with a strong healthy year next season (and hopefully a good postseason this year), I'd consider bringing him back for the right deal. That being said, if we can't fill a number of our other holes with FAs this offseason, we need to look at trading him if it looks like we could get something good for him. (Which, might be difficult considering his up and down career and injury history.) If we trade him, one of the FA's we sign needs to be a good shortstop because we have nothing in our system to replace him. Andrelton Simmons is a FA. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2020 1:21:26 GMT -6
I just can't see him getting that much unless he just has a monster year. He's either been injured for a good chunk of the year, or average at best the last four seasons. If he bounces back with a strong healthy year next season (and hopefully a good postseason this year), I'd consider bringing him back for the right deal. That being said, if we can't fill a number of our other holes with FAs this offseason, we need to look at trading him if it looks like we could get something good for him. (Which, might be difficult considering his up and down career and injury history.) If we trade him, one of the FA's we sign needs to be a good shortstop because we have nothing in our system to replace him. Andrelton Simmons is a FA. Or 3B or 1B. We could move Bregman to SS and Yuli to 3B for now if we got a good 1B. Or just Bregman to SS if we got a good Kris Bryant. ....I mean a good 3B. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2020 11:50:09 GMT -6
If we trade him, one of the FA's we sign needs to be a good shortstop because we have nothing in our system to replace him. Andrelton Simmons is a FA. Or 3B or 1B. We could move Bregman to SS and Yuli to 3B for now if we got a good 1B. Or just Bregman to SS if we got a good Kris Bryant. ....I mean a good 3B. Those are all good possibilities. I would be fine with Bregman at SS. I wish we could get Yordan Alvarez turned into a quality first baseman. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 4, 2020 12:59:54 GMT -6
With Bregman’s history of hamstring injuries, would shortstop be worse on him than 3B?
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2020 7:52:13 GMT -6
With Bregman’s history of hamstring injuries, would shortstop be worse on him than 3B? Probably, but there's never going to be a perfect situation. He isn't anymore of an injury risk than Correa has been. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2020 9:37:52 GMT -6
With Bregman’s history of hamstring injuries, would shortstop be worse on him than 3B? Probably, but there's never going to be a perfect situation. He isn't anymore of an injury risk than Correa has been. I’ll miss Correa’s arm. That will not be replaced. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2020 12:32:07 GMT -6
Probably, but there's never going to be a perfect situation. He isn't anymore of an injury risk than Correa has been. I’ll miss Correa’s arm. That will not be replaced. I wouldn't give up on re-signing him. Of course, if the injuries flare up again, I would not offer him what he wants. I think 5 years at $150 million should be the top offer for him. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2020 13:28:58 GMT -6
I’ll miss Correa’s arm. That will not be replaced. I wouldn't give up on re-signing him. Of course, if the injuries flare up again, I would not offer him what he wants. I think 5 years at $150 million should be the top offer for him. But that's $30 million a year, on top of Bregman and Altuve making approximately $30 million a year, and people wanting to paying Springer $30 million a year. We just can't keep paying everybody $30 million a year. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 5, 2020 17:54:56 GMT -6
I wouldn't give up on re-signing him. Of course, if the injuries flare up again, I would not offer him what he wants. I think 5 years at $150 million should be the top offer for him. But that's $30 million a year, on top of Bregman and Altuve making approximately $30 million a year, and people wanting to paying Springer $30 million a year. We just can't keep paying everybody $30 million a year. Corch is Oprah....You get $30M, you get $30M, everyone gets $30M!!!! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2020 19:03:36 GMT -6
But that's $30 million a year, on top of Bregman and Altuve making approximately $30 million a year, and people wanting to paying Springer $30 million a year. We just can't keep paying everybody $30 million a year. Corch is Oprah....You get $30M, you get $30M, everyone gets $30M!!!! We gave Altuve and Bregman $30 million and, right now, George and Carlos deserve it as much or more than those two. Reddick comes off the books. Hopefully, we can get Brantley to sign at a reasonable price. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 5, 2020 19:13:09 GMT -6
Corch is Oprah....You get $30M, you get $30M, everyone gets $30M!!!! We gave Altuve and Bregman $30 million and, right now, George and Carlos deserve it as much or more than those two. Reddick comes off the books. Hopefully, we can get Brantley to sign at a reasonable price. I think the ceiling for the Astros is re-signing Brantley....That in itself is a victory..... I'm extremely pessimistic on the Astros chances on re-signing Springer....Someone else will pay him just a ridiculous amount of money.... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2020 20:33:01 GMT -6
We gave Altuve and Bregman $30 million and, right now, George and Carlos deserve it as much or more than those two. Reddick comes off the books. Hopefully, we can get Brantley to sign at a reasonable price. I think the ceiling for the Astros is re-signing Brantley....That in itself is a victory..... I'm extremely pessimistic on the Astros chances on re-signing Springer....Someone else will pay him just a ridiculous amount of money.... You are probably right,but, I think they need to make every effort to keep him so fans will know they tried. How bad he wants to stay and re-signing Brantley could help keep him. We don't have to make an offer to Correa yet. We will have lots of money off the books at the time we need to lock him down. He and George are both clutch players in the post season and it looks like Jose may wake up,too. Our experienced lineup can take us a long way if they keep performing. Who expected what we are getting from these rookie relievers? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 5, 2020 20:53:35 GMT -6
I think the ceiling for the Astros is re-signing Brantley....That in itself is a victory..... I'm extremely pessimistic on the Astros chances on re-signing Springer....Someone else will pay him just a ridiculous amount of money.... You are probably right,but, I think they need to make every effort to keep him so fans will know they tried. How bad he wants to stay and re-signing Brantley could help keep him. We don't have to make an offer to Correa yet. We will have lots of money off the books at the time we need to lock him down. He and George are both clutch players in the post season and it looks like Jose may wake up,too. Our experienced lineup can take us a long way if they keep performing. Who expected what we are getting from these rookie relievers? I would like this plausible off-season: Re-sign Brantley - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Mike Minor - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Robbie Ray - 3 year deal, 4 year option Sign Shane Greene - 3 year deal Sign Kirby Yates- 1 year deal, 2nd year option. Trade Correa to Phillies for top SS, OF and P prospect: Stott (SS), Moniak (OF) and Miller (LHSP)...* This may be to well wishing.. Gone 2020 Salaries: $42M(Springer, Reddick, Correa) Proposed Signings (Brantley, Minor, Ray, Greene and Yates) Added to 2021 Payroll: $50M |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2020 22:47:03 GMT -6
You are probably right,but, I think they need to make every effort to keep him so fans will know they tried. How bad he wants to stay and re-signing Brantley could help keep him. We don't have to make an offer to Correa yet. We will have lots of money off the books at the time we need to lock him down. He and George are both clutch players in the post season and it looks like Jose may wake up,too. Our experienced lineup can take us a long way if they keep performing. Who expected what we are getting from these rookie relievers? I would like this plausible off-season: Re-sign Brantley - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Mike Minor - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Robbie Ray - 3 year deal, 4 year option Sign Shane Greene - 3 year deal Sign Kirby Yates- 1 year deal, 2nd year option. Trade Correa to Phillies for top SS, OF and P prospect: Stott (SS), Moniak (OF) and Miller (LHSP)...* This may be to well wishing.. Gone 2020 Salaries: $42M(Springer, Reddick, Correa) Proposed Signings (Brantley, Minor, Ray, Greene and Yates) Added to 2021 Payroll: $50M I don't think I'd want to be saddled with Minor for two years and I know I don't want to be stuck with Ray for three years. Neither looked good this season but we have to take into account what a strange season it was. I agree on Brantley 100%.If we could sign Andrelton Simmons I would be more likely to trade Correa. Saint mentioned before of moving Bregman to SS and Yuli to third base if we could get a good first baseman. That is something to explore. I want them to try to convert Yordan Alvarez into a first baseman. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 6, 2020 0:36:02 GMT -6
I would like this plausible off-season: Re-sign Brantley - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Mike Minor - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Robbie Ray - 3 year deal, 4 year option Sign Shane Greene - 3 year deal Sign Kirby Yates- 1 year deal, 2nd year option. Trade Correa to Phillies for top SS, OF and P prospect: Stott (SS), Moniak (OF) and Miller (LHSP)...* This may be to well wishing.. Gone 2020 Salaries: $42M(Springer, Reddick, Correa) Proposed Signings (Brantley, Minor, Ray, Greene and Yates) Added to 2021 Payroll: $50M I don't think I'd want to be saddled with Minor for two years and I know I don't want to be stuck with Ray for three years. Neither looked good this season but we have to take into account what a strange season it was. I agree on Brantley 100%.If we could sign Andrelton Simmons I would be more likely to trade Correa. Saint mentioned before of moving Bregman to SS and Yuli to third base if we could get a good first baseman. That is something to explore. I want them to try to convert Yordan Alvarez into a first baseman. Both Minor (good velo and spin rate) and Ray are buy low candidates..As well as Kirby Yates... With the combined salaries of Verlander, Greinke, Bregman and Altuve being $100M+....Astros need to get some great bargains..... |
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Post by Saint on Oct 6, 2020 7:22:14 GMT -6
You are probably right,but, I think they need to make every effort to keep him so fans will know they tried. How bad he wants to stay and re-signing Brantley could help keep him. We don't have to make an offer to Correa yet. We will have lots of money off the books at the time we need to lock him down. He and George are both clutch players in the post season and it looks like Jose may wake up,too. Our experienced lineup can take us a long way if they keep performing. Who expected what we are getting from these rookie relievers? I would like this plausible off-season: Re-sign Brantley - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Mike Minor - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Robbie Ray - 3 year deal, 4 year option Sign Shane Greene - 3 year deal Sign Kirby Yates- 1 year deal, 2nd year option. Trade Correa to Phillies for top SS, OF and P prospect: Stott (SS), Moniak (OF) and Miller (LHSP)...* This may be to well wishing.. Gone 2020 Salaries: $42M(Springer, Reddick, Correa) Proposed Signings (Brantley, Minor, Ray, Greene and Yates) Added to 2021 Payroll: $50M I like where your heads at, but I don't see them making that big of sweeping changes. A lot rides on how this postseason plays out. If they continue to move deeper they might work on holding on to this window. If they lose the ALDS or make it to the ALCS and get pulverized by the Yankees, they may do a partial "retooling". |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 6, 2020 8:05:26 GMT -6
You are probably right,but, I think they need to make every effort to keep him so fans will know they tried. How bad he wants to stay and re-signing Brantley could help keep him. We don't have to make an offer to Correa yet. We will have lots of money off the books at the time we need to lock him down. He and George are both clutch players in the post season and it looks like Jose may wake up,too. Our experienced lineup can take us a long way if they keep performing. Who expected what we are getting from these rookie relievers? I would like this plausible off-season: Re-sign Brantley - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Mike Minor - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Robbie Ray - 3 year deal, 4 year option Sign Shane Greene - 3 year deal Sign Kirby Yates- 1 year deal, 2nd year option. Trade Correa to Phillies for top SS, OF and P prospect: Stott (SS), Moniak (OF) and Miller (LHSP)...* This may be to well wishing.. Gone 2020 Salaries: $42M(Springer, Reddick, Correa) Proposed Signings (Brantley, Minor, Ray, Greene and Yates) Added to 2021 Payroll: $50M Nathan, is that you? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 6, 2020 8:47:51 GMT -6
I think Mike Minor should return to the bullpen. That’s where he was best.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 6, 2020 9:23:05 GMT -6
I don't think I'd want to be saddled with Minor for two years and I know I don't want to be stuck with Ray for three years. Neither looked good this season but we have to take into account what a strange season it was. I agree on Brantley 100%.If we could sign Andrelton Simmons I would be more likely to trade Correa. Saint mentioned before of moving Bregman to SS and Yuli to third base if we could get a good first baseman. That is something to explore. I want them to try to convert Yordan Alvarez into a first baseman. Both Minor (good velo and spin rate) and Ray are buy low candidates..As well as Kirby Yates... With the combined salaries of Verlander, Greinke, Bregman and Altuve being $100M+....Astros need to get some great bargains..... We definitely need to find some bargains. I think we need to concentrate on a guy who could be a 4 or 5 in the rotation, plus a couple of experienced relievers. We are going to have to sign a couple of outfielders and they might as well be named Brantley and Springer. We have to decide if we want to keep winning or start a minor rebuilding project. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 6, 2020 9:23:26 GMT -6
I think Mike Minor should return to the bullpen. That’s where he was best. I think he can still be a starter. I just look as the next Morton.... I think Strom could work well with him.. . |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 6, 2020 9:25:47 GMT -6
I would like this plausible off-season: Re-sign Brantley - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Mike Minor - 2 year deal, 3rd year option Sign Robbie Ray - 3 year deal, 4 year option Sign Shane Greene - 3 year deal Sign Kirby Yates- 1 year deal, 2nd year option. Trade Correa to Phillies for top SS, OF and P prospect: Stott (SS), Moniak (OF) and Miller (LHSP)...* This may be to well wishing.. Gone 2020 Salaries: $42M(Springer, Reddick, Correa) Proposed Signings (Brantley, Minor, Ray, Greene and Yates) Added to 2021 Payroll: $50M Nathan, is that you? I think the ones I suggested outside of Greene, are low commitment / low salary with above average ceiling players.. I think team with already a lot of big contracts, this is probably the most prudent way of addressing needs.... Was my asking price for Correa too unreasonable? I will admit it might be |
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Post by Saint on Oct 6, 2020 9:37:05 GMT -6
I think the ones I suggested outside of Greene, are low commitment / low salary with above average ceiling players.. I think team with already a lot of big contracts, this is probably the most prudent way of addressing needs.... Was my asking price for Correa too unreasonable? I will admit it might be I'll be curious to see how easy is it or isn't to attract free agents this offseason. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 6, 2020 9:59:29 GMT -6
I think the ones I suggested outside of Greene, are low commitment / low salary with above average ceiling players.. I think team with already a lot of big contracts, this is probably the most prudent way of addressing needs.... Was my asking price for Correa too unreasonable? I will admit it might be I'll be curious to see how easy is it or isn't to attract free agents this offseason. None of whom I listed was a headliner... So I would think that wouldn't be that hard |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 6, 2020 11:06:59 GMT -6
I think Mike Minor should return to the bullpen. That’s where he was best. I think he can still be a starter. I just look as the next Morton.... I think Strom could work well with him.. . I could see giving it a try depending on the cost. No way would I give him what he is getting now. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 6, 2020 11:09:42 GMT -6
I think the ones I suggested outside of Greene, are low commitment / low salary with above average ceiling players.. I think team with already a lot of big contracts, this is probably the most prudent way of addressing needs.... Was my asking price for Correa too unreasonable? I will admit it might be Trading Correa would be very risky unless we know we have his replacement. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 6, 2020 11:10:47 GMT -6
I think the ones I suggested outside of Greene, are low commitment / low salary with above average ceiling players.. I think team with already a lot of big contracts, this is probably the most prudent way of addressing needs.... Was my asking price for Correa too unreasonable? I will admit it might be I'll be curious to see how easy is it or isn't to attract free agents this offseason. How the rest of the post season plays out could go a long way in determining that. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 6, 2020 13:20:57 GMT -6
I think the ones I suggested outside of Greene, are low commitment / low salary with above average ceiling players.. I think team with already a lot of big contracts, this is probably the most prudent way of addressing needs.... Was my asking price for Correa too unreasonable? I will admit it might be Trading Correa would be very risky unless we know we have his replacement. Not trading Correa is risky as well....I have a feeling he is gone after next season anyway...might as well get much needed young talent while we can.... let him have a great post season this year, and sell high... Are you forgetting he is very injury prone? FTR, as stated so many times before, I am a Correa fan....Great draft pick...Was great watching him play......He has superior talent ,he is a high ceiling player...But I am an Astros Fan First, do not commit a ton of money/commitment to an injury prone player.... Going forward for the next 4 years, the core of the team offensively are built around Altuve and Bregman, with Tucker and Alvarez looking to earn big table rights as well....Brantley, if he re-signs to a 3 year deal, may be considered long enough to fall within the "future of the team"...maybe 3 years is not enough....Yuli, with his 2 years, to me is just a nice complimentary piece, a good filler. Astros need more young talent to see who fills out the rest of team...so far Stubbs, Straw, Toro have proven themselves not to be starters....So the Astros need to expand their search, and get more young talent, and increase their chances of having young players that can be true starters.... I think the only way to get them is from your farm or someone else's. Our current crop seems a little bare. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 6, 2020 13:30:11 GMT -6
I think the ones I suggested outside of Greene, are low commitment / low salary with above average ceiling players.. I think team with already a lot of big contracts, this is probably the most prudent way of addressing needs.... Was my asking price for Correa too unreasonable? I will admit it might be I'll be curious to see how easy is it or isn't to attract free agents this offseason. I just read that Bauer even said he'd consider ALL offers, even from the Astros. |
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