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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 5, 2021 22:34:32 GMT -6
Sounds like a fair offer and one he should strongly consider, and, he should take it.......But, who knows. Is Boras his agent? He’s represented by an agency called Endeavor, so not Scott Boras. No Boras is usually a good sign.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 6, 2021 8:14:31 GMT -6
Just read an article that laid out a case for Correa being worth 30 million a year and perhaps up to 10 years. The majority opinion of our group of scholars is that Crane will not sign/Correa is not worth a long term high value deal. Having said that, a long term high dollar deal is all that Correa will supposedly sign. So given these two diametrically opposed positions how about this; 10 year deal mutual opt outs at 3 and 7 years30 million per year with a 30 million signing bonus for the first 3 years 35 million per year for the next 4 years, 30 million per for the last 3. limited no trade no opt out penalty for either partythat is a better deal than Lindor and one that I think he would sign. Tell your braintrust their plan has a fatal flaw. What they wrote gives Correa no more security than a three-year deal at $40MM per. If Correa's performance tanks ... or ... If Correa suffers a career ending injury at any time during the first three years ... or ... If the Astros simply no longer have a desire to pay a huge salary ... then ... The contract ends after three years.You can try to put lipstick on this pig but it's still a three-year pig, any way you slice it.
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Post by m240 on Jul 6, 2021 10:13:24 GMT -6
Just read an article that laid out a case for Correa being worth 30 million a year and perhaps up to 10 years. The majority opinion of our group of scholars is that Crane will not sign/Correa is not worth a long term high value deal. Having said that, a long term high dollar deal is all that Correa will supposedly sign. So given these two diametrically opposed positions how about this; 10 year deal mutual opt outs at 3 and 7 years30 million per year with a 30 million signing bonus for the first 3 years 35 million per year for the next 4 years, 30 million per for the last 3. limited no trade no opt out penalty for either partythat is a better deal than Lindor and one that I think he would sign. Tell your braintrust their plan has a fatal flaw. What they wrote gives Correa no more security than a three-year deal at $40MM per. If Correa's performance tanks ... or ... If Correa suffers a career ending injury at any time during the first three years ... or ... If the Astros simply no longer have a desire to pay a huge salary ... then ... The contract ends after three years.You can try to put lipstick on this pig but it's still a three-year pig, any way you slice it. One thing your brain trust fails to take into account is Correa’s ego. He wants a deal that beats Lindor’s. If he gets that even without guaranteed money past the 3rd year he will be ok with that so long as he beats Lindor’s deal.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 6, 2021 10:29:05 GMT -6
One thing your brain trust fails to take into account is Correa’s ego. I don't speak for a 'group of scholars'. I just speak for myself and use plain old common sense. I laugh at the concept that a worthless 'ten year' deal will fool Correa or his agent. If the money isn't guaranteed, it absolutely doesn't surpass the deal Lindor got. Ego, shemgo. It's all about the Benjamins. Will he sign for $120MM for three years? Maybe. But I'll guaran-damned-tee you that if he will, he'll GLADLY sign for $121MM for a flat-out three year deal without the other nonsense. He's not as stupid as you paint him to be.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 6, 2021 10:34:58 GMT -6
One thing your brain trust fails to take into account is Correa’s ego. I don't speak for a 'group of scholars'. I just speak for myself and use plain old common sense. I laugh at the concept that a worthless 'ten year' deal will fool Correa or his agent. If the money isn't guaranteed, it absolutely doesn't surpass the deal Lindor got. Ego, shemgo. It's all about the Benjamins. Will he sign for $120MM for three years? Maybe. But I'll guaran-damned-tee you that if he will, he'll GLADLY sign for $121MM for a flat-out three year deal without the other nonsense. He's not as stupid as you paint him to be. Do you think he would sign this type of deal? Year 1 -35M Year 2 - 35M Year 3 - 35M Year 4 - 40M (he can opt out) Year 5 - 40M (he can opt out)
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Post by m240 on Jul 6, 2021 10:37:34 GMT -6
One thing your brain trust fails to take into account is Correa’s ego. I don't speak for a 'group of scholars'. I just speak for myself and use plain old common sense. I laugh at the concept that a worthless 'ten year' deal will fool Correa or his agent. If the money isn't guaranteed, it absolutely doesn't surpass the deal Lindor got. Ego, shemgo. It's all about the Benjamins. Will he sign for $120MM for three years? Maybe. But I'll guaran-damned-tee you that if he will, he'll GLADLY sign for $121MM for a flat-out three year deal without the other nonsense. He's not as stupid as you paint him to be. Well I guess you are as stupid as I think. The group of scholars that I referenced are the members of this board who rightfully understand that Crane would never sign a 10 year deal for anyone that did not have escape clauses. laugh all you want. Ankle biters and window lickers like you make a profession of it
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jul 6, 2021 10:50:46 GMT -6
Do you think he would sign this type of deal? Year 1 -35M Year 2 - 35M Year 3 - 35M Year 4 - 40M (he can opt out) Year 5 - 40M (he can opt out) I dunno. Let's do the math. That's a total of $185MM for five years ... guaranteed. Carlos gets paid even if the wheels fall off at any time. That's a AAV of $37MM the Astros would be assessed against the threshold, for the first three years (and each year after that he stays). If he does sign, I really doubt he exercises either of his opt-outs.
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Post by m240 on Jul 6, 2021 11:02:24 GMT -6
Since you may not have access to as much material as we do I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you have not read the multiple times that he has been quoted talking about the mega deals signed by short stops. He fancies himself as the best ever and he wants a record breaking deal. He laughed at a 5 year deal before he had the year he is currently having. Anything short of Lindor’s deal and he hits the market. Now having said that Crane will not give anyone a deal like that without escape clauses. Never has and unless he changes his life long practices he never will. So unless someone comes up with an out of the box solution Correa is gone after this year.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 6, 2021 11:08:04 GMT -6
Since you may not have access to as much material as we do I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you have not read the multiple times that he has been quoted talking about the mega deals signed by short stops. He fancies himself as the best ever and he wants a record breaking deal. He laughed at a 5 year deal before he had the year he is currently having. Anything short of Lindor’s deal and he hits the market. Now having said that Crane will not give anyone a deal like that without escape clauses. Never has and unless he changes his life long practices he never will. So unless someone comes up with an out of the box solution Correa is gone after this year. Correa is making a strong argument that he is the best all-around SS in the game, better than Lindor, Bogaerts ,Seager, and the rest. He has the range and the best arm of the lot. He is a clutch hitter who delivers under pressure, especially in the post season. The contract the Mets gave Lindor will be used as a measuring stick. I think he wants to stay here, but, I don't think he will back down a lot, if any, from what he wants. And, as far as I know, nobody knows just exactly what he is saying it would take to keep him here.
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Post by m240 on Jul 6, 2021 11:21:08 GMT -6
Since you may not have access to as much material as we do I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you have not read the multiple times that he has been quoted talking about the mega deals signed by short stops. He fancies himself as the best ever and he wants a record breaking deal. He laughed at a 5 year deal before he had the year he is currently having. Anything short of Lindor’s deal and he hits the market. Now having said that Crane will not give anyone a deal like that without escape clauses. Never has and unless he changes his life long practices he never will. So unless someone comes up with an out of the box solution Correa is gone after this year. Correa is making a strong argument that he is the best all-around SS in the game, better than Lindor, Bogaerts ,Seager, and the rest. He has the range and the best arm of the lot. He is a clutch hitter who delivers under pressure, especially in the post season. The contract the Mets gave Lindor will be used as a measuring stick. I think he wants to stay here, but, I don't think he will back down a lot, if any, from what he wants. And, as far as I know, nobody knows just exactly what he is saying it would take to keep him here. When he turned down the Astros offer he said they really low balled him. Again that was before the year started and before he made the all star team. He has also said that Lindor is a great player but that he is just a bit better. It does not take much to put those two things together and understand what it will take to get him to stay here. Our problem is Crane will not give it to him and quite frankly neither would I. think about what a deal like that will do later when we have to sign all the young guys we have that are performing at such great levels. The stated goal when Luhnow took the job that crane offered was that the team that gets assembled will need to be one that can stay at a very high level for a very long time. You do not do that by giving out guaranteed long term deals.
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