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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 13:11:52 GMT -6
By finishing the series in 4 games I would say he made the right move. Shoulda, Coulda and Woulda don't cut it. But by my account, was Dusty more lucky than good? The dice could as easily came up snake eyes, and we'd had been 50/50 at best in game 5. I understand the shoulda, coulda, woulda aspect, but don't forget Dusty has 1-3 likely more big decisions to make. I hope this success doesn't embolden him toward more of the whacked out unconventional. Counting on Dusty to keep making the right decision is a risky business. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 13:15:45 GMT -6
I get the fact people are unconvinced. I would just like to see the praise and the criticism more evenly distributed. Having the talent to win doesn’t guarantee a manager garnering a WS championship. There might never again be an Astros squad as good as in 2019. I don’t recall a championship there either. Hinch cost the Astros a 2019 WS with his decision making...so for the biggest Baker haters, 2019 WS Game 7, Hinch pulled a Dusty. If Dusty can somehow pull off a WS win with this rotation, especially if LMJ can't pitch anymore, then: Dusty Astros Playoff Manager >>>>> Hinch Astros Playoff Manager. The fact remains that at the present time, Hinch has a WS championship and Dusty doesn't have squat. i agree Hinch blew the 2019 WS by bringing in Harris, but, Hinch hasn't been managing for 30 years like Dusty. Dusty has wasted more talent than any manager I can recall due to mismanaging his pitching. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 13:18:14 GMT -6
Hinch cost the Astros a 2019 WS with his decision making...so for the biggest Baker haters, 2019 WS Game 7, Hinch pulled a Dusty. If Dusty can somehow pull off a WS win with this rotation, especially if LMJ can't pitch anymore, then: Dusty Astros Playoff Manager >>>>> Hinch Astros Playoff Manager. I really don't see this team winning 8 more. Especially without McCullers. Getting to the WS without McCullers will be a huge problem. Funny that we are saying that now after some of the people here, especially the Strom haters, complained when Lance was given a new 5yr/$85 million dollar deal. LOL |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 14, 2021 13:49:26 GMT -6
I really don't see this team winning 8 more. Especially without McCullers. Getting to the WS without McCullers will be a huge problem. Funny that we are saying that now after some of the people here, especially the Strom haters, complained when Lance was given a new 5yr/$85 million dollar deal. LOL Let’s point fingers at so-called Strom haters while whining about Dusty his whole time here. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 14:08:03 GMT -6
By finishing the series in 4 games I would say he made the right move. Shoulda, Coulda and Woulda don't cut it. Just because we won the game doesn't mean Dusty made the right move with McCullers because we don't know if we could have won the game and not used him. If Dusty had started Urquidy and won the game, then, we have a healthy McCullers to start game one of the ALCS and Valdez for game two. Lance would not have been available to start before game 3 in Boston either way. As far as the outcome of the game goes, Dusty's move was OK. But, I'd rather have had him to start game one against the Red Sox. Go with the given, what happened.... If not, you're saying you would gamble/risk 4 Game Win and then eventually maybe the Series win....And Reverse it, so it never happened...in your own words, you would rather have now: Urquidy pitch game 4, and hope Astros still win..And if not, McCullers pitch game 5, and see if Astros pull out that game >>>>> The Astros already have won game 4 with McCullers, advancing to ALCS. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 14:09:31 GMT -6
I really don't see this team winning 8 more. Especially without McCullers. Getting to the WS without McCullers will be a huge problem. Funny that we are saying that now after some of the people here, especially the Strom haters, complained when Lance was given a new 5yr/$85 million dollar deal. LOL I'm a mix...Complained about the Lance offer, but I am a big Strom fan. |
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Post by dafish on Oct 14, 2021 14:11:51 GMT -6
Getting to the WS without McCullers will be a huge problem. Funny that we are saying that now after some of the people here, especially the Strom haters, complained when Lance was given a new 5yr/$85 million dollar deal. LOL I'm a mix...Complained about the Lance offer, but I am a big Strom fan. Since I've been gone, I do have to ask..... Has Baker mismanaged McCullers, and now we are seeing arm troubles? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 14, 2021 14:15:10 GMT -6
By finishing the series in 4 games I would say he made the right move. Shoulda, Coulda and Woulda don't cut it. Just because we won the game doesn't mean Dusty made the right move with McCullers because we don't know if we could have won the game and not used him. If Dusty had started Urquidy and won the game, then, we have a healthy McCullers to start game one of the ALCS and Valdez for game two. Lance would not have been available to start before game 3 in Boston either way. As far as the outcome of the game goes, Dusty's move was OK. But, I'd rather have had him to start game one against the Red Sox. But what if Dusty threw Urquidy and he got hurt? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 14:38:11 GMT -6
Just because we won the game doesn't mean Dusty made the right move with McCullers because we don't know if we could have won the game and not used him. If Dusty had started Urquidy and won the game, then, we have a healthy McCullers to start game one of the ALCS and Valdez for game two. Lance would not have been available to start before game 3 in Boston either way. As far as the outcome of the game goes, Dusty's move was OK. But, I'd rather have had him to start game one against the Red Sox. But what if Dusty threw Urquidy and he got hurt? What if Urquidy lost in game 4, and McCullers got hurt in game 5?... McCullers could get hurt in either game 4 or 5. Prior to the 2021 season, he has never pitched more than 130...This season he pitched 162... Therefore, Astros were playing LMJ with house money... As Corch has said before, they don't make them like they used to. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 15:13:09 GMT -6
Just because we won the game doesn't mean Dusty made the right move with McCullers because we don't know if we could have won the game and not used him. If Dusty had started Urquidy and won the game, then, we have a healthy McCullers to start game one of the ALCS and Valdez for game two. Lance would not have been available to start before game 3 in Boston either way. As far as the outcome of the game goes, Dusty's move was OK. But, I'd rather have had him to start game one against the Red Sox. But what if Dusty threw Urquidy and he got hurt? I hope you aren't saying losing Urquidy is equal to losing McCullers. I know you want to defend every move Dusty makes and tha's fine. I just happen to not trust him to lead us to a WS title. Dusty got away with the move as far as that game is concerned. But, I think we would have won the game with Urquidy because the White Sox pitching staff was operating on fumes. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 15:18:33 GMT -6
But what if Dusty threw Urquidy and he got hurt? What if Urquidy lost in game 4, and McCullers got hurt in game 5?... McCullers could get hurt in either game 4 or 5. Prior to the 2021 season, he has never pitched more than 130...This season he pitched 162... Therefore, Astros were playing LMJ with house money... As Corch has said before, they don't make them like they used to. That is all water under the bridge and we won the series which is what counts. I still question the move because, at the time he decided to use Lance, I didn't like the idea of using him in a non-elimination game on the road and having him unavailable for a potential game 5 at MMP. As it ended up, healthy or not, he would not be available to start before Monday in Boston in game three of the ALCS. We can only hope he is still able to do it. I would like our chances of winning in Fenway with him on the mound because he gets a lot of ground ball outs and gets DP's turned behind him. I like our chances of winning the first two in Houston. Without McCullers, our rotation is as good as the Red Sox, who have no idea what they will get from Sale who was basically a non-factor against the Rays. The Red Sox offense scares me more than their pitching. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 14, 2021 17:52:22 GMT -6
Getting to the WS without McCullers will be a huge problem. Funny that we are saying that now after some of the people here, especially the Strom haters, complained when Lance was given a new 5yr/$85 million dollar deal. LOL I'm a mix...Complained about the Lance offer, but I am a big Strom fan. Did y'all miss my post about Strom likely retiring? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 14, 2021 17:53:15 GMT -6
I'm a mix...Complained about the Lance offer, but I am a big Strom fan. Since I've been gone, I do have to ask..... Has Baker mismanaged McCullers, and now we are seeing arm troubles? No. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2021 17:55:23 GMT -6
I'm a mix...Complained about the Lance offer, but I am a big Strom fan. Did y'all miss my post about Strom likely retiring? Yes. Both Corch and he will then both retired, what say you? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 14, 2021 18:56:47 GMT -6
Did y'all miss my post about Strom likely retiring? Yes. Both Corch and he will then both retired, what say you? I saw his post and I know he is keeping his fingers crossed that Strom retires. People who don't know anything about what makes a good pitching coach are the only one who want him to retire. Strom hasn't said he IS retiring, but, I'd think at his age he would be thinking about it. I've been retired from working for a few years, but, I have no plans to retire from following the Astros. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 14, 2021 19:16:34 GMT -6
I'm a mix...Complained about the Lance offer, but I am a big Strom fan. Did y'all miss my post about Strom likely retiring? Yes, stuck my hand in the sand on that one. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 15, 2021 7:39:01 GMT -6
Yes. Both Corch and he will then both retired, what say you? I saw his post and I know he is keeping his fingers crossed that Strom retires. People who don't know anything about what makes a good pitching coach are the only one who want him to retire. Strom hasn't said he IS retiring, but, I'd think at his age he would be thinking about it. I've been retired from working for a few years, but, I have no plans to retire from following the Astros. You really are a dumbass. Too dumb to understand that no one here wants Strom to retire or who doesn't like him. Its his dumb fanboys that Union and I don't like, and the stupid blind support of the pitching coach who has no responsibility for when the pitching staff shits the bed, but every limp wristed hit by a player is 100% the fault of the hitting coaches. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 15, 2021 7:46:04 GMT -6
I saw his post and I know he is keeping his fingers crossed that Strom retires. People who don't know anything about what makes a good pitching coach are the only one who want him to retire. Strom hasn't said he IS retiring, but, I'd think at his age he would be thinking about it. I've been retired from working for a few years, but, I have no plans to retire from following the Astros. You really are a dumbass. Too dumb to understand that no one here wants Strom to retire or who doesn't like him. Its his dumb fanboys that Union and I don't like, and the stupid blind support of the pitching coach who has no responsibility for when the pitching staff shits the bed, but every limp wristed hit by a player is 100% the fault of the hitting coaches. I never pretended to be smart, only to be stupid.... It's a role of lifetime, or better said, of my lifetime. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 15, 2021 7:59:23 GMT -6
You really are a dumbass. Too dumb to understand that no one here wants Strom to retire or who doesn't like him. Its his dumb fanboys that Union and I don't like, and the stupid blind support of the pitching coach who has no responsibility for when the pitching staff shits the bed, but every limp wristed hit by a player is 100% the fault of the hitting coaches. I never pretended to be smart, only to be stupid.... It's a role of lifetime, or better said, of my lifetime. The other day I slipped on my kitchen floor and stubbed my toe and then said, “Dustyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!” |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 15, 2021 8:08:28 GMT -6
I never pretended to be smart, only to be stupid.... It's a role of lifetime, or better said, of my lifetime. The other day I slipped on my kitchen floor and stubbed my toe and then said, “Dustyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!” The other day, I hit every green light on Westheimer, between the Beltway and the 610 Loop, and I yelled Strommmmmmmm!!!!!! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 15, 2021 9:34:17 GMT -6
I saw his post and I know he is keeping his fingers crossed that Strom retires. People who don't know anything about what makes a good pitching coach are the only one who want him to retire. Strom hasn't said he IS retiring, but, I'd think at his age he would be thinking about it. I've been retired from working for a few years, but, I have no plans to retire from following the Astros. You really are a dumbass. Too dumb to understand that no one here wants Strom to retire or who doesn't like him. Its his dumb fanboys that Union and I don't like, and the stupid blind support of the pitching coach who has no responsibility for when the pitching staff shits the bed, but every limp wristed hit by a player is 100% the fault of the hitting coaches. No, the dumbasses in this case would be those who bash Strom whenever a pitcher has a bad game. It's always "Lord Strom" or "Stromdaddy", etc. used to show contempt for Strom. I've never seen Strom go to the mound and throw a pitch, yet, he is to blame for every problem regarding pitchers. Whenever one of the relievers acquired by Click has a bad game, it's Strom's fault for not making him improve, etc. As has been pointed out, pitchers who come here and work with Strom normally improve. Hitters who have been coached by Centron and Snitker go to other teams to improve, yet, the same guys who bash Strom ignore this fact. I suppose you want us to believe that you and Union fully support Strom even though both of bash him in most of the posts where you mention his name. Nobody is a big enough dumbass to think you two support him not retiring. You are free to blame him for all pitcher mistakes just as others are free to support him. I won't get on here and lie by claiming I support Dusty, Centron, and Snitker when I think all of them need to be shown the door as soon as the post season ends. Lots of those "limp wristed hits" are produced by players some on this board believe to be able to walk on water. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 15, 2021 9:38:21 GMT -6
The other day I slipped on my kitchen floor and stubbed my toe and then said, “Dustyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!” The other day, I hit every green light on Westheimer, between the Beltway and the 610 Loop, and I yelled Strommmmmmmm!!!!!! What were you doing on Westheimer?? You should have yelled for Snitker and Centron. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 15, 2021 9:47:46 GMT -6
The other day I slipped on my kitchen floor and stubbed my toe and then said, “Dustyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!” The other day, I hit every green light on Westheimer, between the Beltway and the 610 Loop, and I yelled Strommmmmmmm!!!!!! I give credit to the tireless work Strom performed with those traffic lights. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 15, 2021 10:55:13 GMT -6
The other day, I hit every green light on Westheimer, between the Beltway and the 610 Loop, and I yelled Strommmmmmmm!!!!!! What were you doing on Westheimer?? You should have yelled for Snitker and Centron. |
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Post by dafish on Oct 15, 2021 11:53:50 GMT -6
What were you doing on Westheimer?? You should have yelled for Snitker and Centron. Slime in the "G String"? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 15, 2021 15:40:10 GMT -6
Dusty had nothing to do with Lance and is arm problems. He's had arm problems since he could raise it above his head.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 15, 2021 15:45:35 GMT -6
Dusty had nothing to do with Lance and is arm problems. He's had arm problems since he could raise it above his head. That's why a lot of us were not enamored with offering LMJ a 5 year deal....Misses too many games. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 15, 2021 15:50:10 GMT -6
Dusty had nothing to do with Lance and is arm problems. He's had arm problems since he could raise it above his head. That's why a lot of us were not enamored with offering LMJ a 5 year deal....Misses too many games. I think it's a solid deal. 5 years isn't very long, really and $17 AAV for an ace-caliber pitcher with elite postseason success is very good. Yeah, he won't be healthy for all of that, but if you get 3-3.5 worth of seasons out of those 5? I'm good with it. Heck, this first year worked out great even with this setback. I've got no problem with 4-6 year deals for guys under 30. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 15, 2021 15:54:39 GMT -6
That's why a lot of us were not enamored with offering LMJ a 5 year deal....Misses too many games. I think it's a solid deal. 5 years isn't very long, really and $17 AAV for an ace-caliber pitcher with elite postseason success is very good. Yeah, he won't be healthy for all of that, but if you get 3-3.5 worth of seasons out of those 5? I'm good with it. Heck, this first year worked out great even with this setback. I've got no problem with 4-6 year deals for guys under 30. I said in another post, so far it turned out to be an awesome contract... But what I was saying here, this is the reason why people were not initially for signing him to a 5 year deal. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 15, 2021 17:00:18 GMT -6
Dusty had nothing to do with Lance and is arm problems. He's had arm problems since he could raise it above his head. I am sure you are well qualified to speak on this subject.........are you an Orthopedic surgeon? Fact is we don't know if Lance would have this injury if Dusty hadn't started him in Chicago. |
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