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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 19, 2022 1:37:01 GMT -6
I imagine this will rub the entire team the wrong way. Could this be the end of the Astros run? Might we see a fire sale come July? Yes, no, no. |
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Post by talshill on Mar 19, 2022 4:24:44 GMT -6
Welp. Time to move on. Carlos is a great shortstop who could never quite manage to stay on the field enough and never really fulfilled his potential in Houston. I wonder if the 'Stros are going after Story?
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Post by m240 on Mar 19, 2022 7:24:07 GMT -6
I can not imagine that the Astros would not match the 35 million per year. If you look at how Correa set this up it seems it is his plan to opt out of the Twins deal if he has a great year next year and if he get injured or has an off year he has the ability to jump ship the following year in the event that he puts another good one together. The double opt out is what Crane would not match. On that you can wager some big bucks.
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Post by astrosfan34 on Mar 19, 2022 7:49:23 GMT -6
I can not imagine that the Astros would not match the 35 million per year. If you look at how Correa set this up it seems it is his plan to opt out of the Twins deal if he has a great year next year and if he get injured or has an off year he has the ability to jump ship the following year in the event that he puts another good one together. The double opt out is what Crane would not match. On that you can wager some big bucks. Yeah, no reason to give a double opt out. If we have to develop Pena, now is the time, not in another year or another year after that. Sucks to lose Correa though. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 19, 2022 7:56:21 GMT -6
I can not imagine that the Astros would not match the 35 million per year. If you look at how Correa set this up it seems it is his plan to opt out of the Twins deal if he has a great year next year and if he get injured or has an off year he has the ability to jump ship the following year in the event that he puts another good one together. The double opt out is what Crane would not match. On that you can wager some big bucks. It’s contradictory. He didn’t want to get locked in long term to Correa but didn’t want opt-out clauses. Did he want to spend money or not? Just seems like a bunch of crap. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 19, 2022 8:01:16 GMT -6
Welp. Time to move on. Carlos is a great shortstop who could never quite manage to stay on the field enough and never really fulfilled his potential in Houston. I wonder if the 'Stros are going after Story? I'm guessing no on Story. The way I interpret this is Crane is looking at this from a long-term affordability perspective and he's going all-in on Pena as a part of that plan. After adding Goodrum, things got less flexible. Neither Goodrum nor Diaz can be optioned. So if a big name shortstop was signed, Pena wouldn't see any ML time (even as a bench player) unless there was an injury or Diaz was traded. |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 19, 2022 8:06:38 GMT -6
The double opt out is what Crane would not match. This deal is 100% new agent and Twins are the only suitor he could find to agree to the terms. Correa's doing whatever his agent's advising at this point.
Only other comment I have on this is Carlos reminds me of Keuchel the way he's jumping over dollars to pick up pennies. That means he's really livid at the organization for not giving him a Lindor deal
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Post by m240 on Mar 19, 2022 8:40:18 GMT -6
The double opt out is what Crane would not match. This deal is 100% new agent and Twins are the only suitor he could find to agree to the terms. Correa's doing whatever his agent's advising at this point.
Only other comment I have on this is Carlos reminds me of Keuchel the way he's jumping over dollars to pick up pennies. That means he's really livid at the organization for not giving him a Lindor deal
And there you have it. |
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Post by m240 on Mar 19, 2022 8:41:39 GMT -6
I can not imagine that the Astros would not match the 35 million per year. If you look at how Correa set this up it seems it is his plan to opt out of the Twins deal if he has a great year next year and if he get injured or has an off year he has the ability to jump ship the following year in the event that he puts another good one together. The double opt out is what Crane would not match. On that you can wager some big bucks. It’s contradictory. He didn’t want to get locked in long term to Correa but didn’t want opt-out clauses. Did he want to spend money or not? Just seems like a bunch of crap. I guess Crane just said no diva's allowed |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 19, 2022 9:06:55 GMT -6
It’s contradictory. He didn’t want to get locked in long term to Correa but didn’t want opt-out clauses. Did he want to spend money or not? Just seems like a bunch of crap. I guess Crane just said no diva's allowed Crane could be a diva too. This seemed like a meeting between two egos. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 19, 2022 9:07:24 GMT -6
The double opt out is what Crane would not match. This deal is 100% new agent and Twins are the only suitor he could find to agree to the terms. Correa's doing whatever his agent's advising at this point.
Only other comment I have on this is Carlos reminds me of Keuchel the way he's jumping over dollars to pick up pennies. That means he's really livid at the organization for not giving him a Lindor deal
My thinking exactly. I think Boras nudged him toward this deal. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Mar 19, 2022 9:11:31 GMT -6
So long, Carlos!
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 19, 2022 9:37:22 GMT -6
Don’t worry, guys. Crane is looking around the parking lot of Home Depot for more superstars.
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 19, 2022 10:47:12 GMT -6
Life long fans of the Houston Astros knows the word meaning of following a team with the term mediocrity. The saving grace is another good shot at winning a division title and then roll the dice.
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 19, 2022 11:43:28 GMT -6
If this is accurate, WOW. Awful.
Granato is a long-time local radio guy, and Schwab also agreeing, who is normally pretty reliable when he does say he has some info, makes me think it is. Woof.
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 19, 2022 12:17:23 GMT -6
Boy, this is a mess.
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Post by astrosfan34 on Mar 19, 2022 12:18:30 GMT -6
Good grief. How unprofessional but typical from Crane. I really miss Luhnow. Can't see this this kind of stuff happening under his watch.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 19, 2022 13:48:50 GMT -6
I think it's time to explore a Jose Ramirez trade. Moving Bregman to SS.
Also look into either Mullens or Reynolds
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 19, 2022 14:16:12 GMT -6
I think it's time to explore a Jose Ramirez trade. Okay VooDoo, who ya gonna trade for Bubba Gump? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 19, 2022 14:25:37 GMT -6
If this is accurate, WOW. Awful. Granato is a long-time local radio guy, and Schwab also agreeing, who is normally pretty reliable when he does say he has some info, makes me think it is. Woof. I’m now off the Crane bandwagon. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 19, 2022 14:26:01 GMT -6
Also, does anyone know what James Click does here? I miss Luhnow.
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 19, 2022 14:26:35 GMT -6
Good grief. How unprofessional but typical from Crane. I really miss Luhnow. Can't see this this kind of stuff happening under his watch. I don't see the Astros signing Story. And what's left after him? Tommy Pham or Michael Conforto? Of those two, I would want the Astros to sign Pham, because most likely it would be a one year deal with a second club year option. How much of an upgrade is Pham over McCormick? Maybe this year it's find out what we have, save the cap space. Then next year, go after FAs, to address any needs. *I still think the Astros should get a good reliever this off-season. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 19, 2022 14:34:18 GMT -6
Good grief. How unprofessional but typical from Crane. I really miss Luhnow. Can't see this this kind of stuff happening under his watch. I don't see the Astros signing Story. And what's left after him? Tommy Pham or Michael Conforto? Of those two, I would want the Astros to sign Pham, because most likely it would be a one year deal with a second club year option. How much of an upgrade is Pham over McCormick? Maybe this year it's find out what we have, save the cap space. Then next year, go after FAs, to address any needs. *I still think the Astros should get a good reliever this off-season. If they signed Story, just put him in the OF and let Peña stay at SS. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 19, 2022 14:39:38 GMT -6
I think it's time to explore a Jose Ramirez trade. Okay VooDoo, who ya gonna trade for Bubba Gump? Lol good one. Well if you ask me I think Leon Whitley and McCormick could get that done. As for Mullins I would think Siri, Brown, Santos, Perezand Soloman |
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Post by Saint on Mar 19, 2022 14:46:10 GMT -6
Carlos had unreasonable expectations and demands. Time to move on.
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Post by Saint on Mar 19, 2022 14:47:18 GMT -6
I don't normally feel this way, but I feel a little like the Astros aren't doing enough... Maybe it's just anxiousness wanting the season to start. God, now you've done gone and got Sherwin thinking y'all are on the same team. Well I wasn't on the Carlos back at all costs bandwagon, but I did/do feel we need to get someone. I liked the idea of Bryant. |
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Post by m240 on Mar 19, 2022 15:01:38 GMT -6
I agree, we need another high end bat
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 19, 2022 15:17:22 GMT -6
I agree, we need another high end bat This is likely the last seasons for Brantley and Gurriel. The CF situation is up in the air. You don’t know what you’ll be getting from Peña, and the pressure of replacing Correa might be a bit much. Maldonado is one of the worst everyday players in the majors. Bregman has been MIA since 2019. Basically, it’s Altuve & his sidekicks Tucker and Yordan. Yeah, I’d say I agree with you about that other bat. |
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Post by m240 on Mar 19, 2022 15:42:18 GMT -6
I agree, we need another high end bat This is likely the last seasons for Brantley and Gurriel. The CF situation is up in the air. You don’t know what you’ll be getting from Peña, and the pressure of replacing Correa might be a bit much. Maldonado is one of the worst everyday players in the majors. Bregman has been MIA since 2019. Basically, it’s Altuve & his sidekicks Tucker and Yordan. Yeah, I’d say I agree with you about that other bat. I do not think the Dodgers will worry about our line up that much. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 19, 2022 17:31:01 GMT -6
“Carlos is a really smart guy,” Maldonado said. “People that talk to him, he’s really smart. He knew that after the lockout it was going to be hard to get those years that he wanted but one thing is the opt-out is something that he really, really wanted. I was with him last week. I know how he feels.”
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So that's pretty much it. Carlos wanted an opt out and Crane and co. ghosted him. Bleh.
My inner conspiracy theorist is wondering if this is still Crane trying to break up the 2017 squad as much as possible. Would anyone be surprised to see Altuve and Bregman not extended again before they're free agents post-2024? Maybe Crane is dead-set on getting all those guys gone ASAP.
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