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Post by Saint on Mar 21, 2022 10:48:35 GMT -6
BREAKING: U.S. Appeals Court rules that a letter that allegedly shows MLB hid Yankees’ sign stealing should be unsealed. And yet, crickets from ESPN... |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 21, 2022 11:20:05 GMT -6
I have to wonder how long MLB will delay releasing the contents of that letter to the public. I was amused by the sidestory of the original suit. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 21, 2022 13:47:14 GMT -6
In fairness, nobody knows what Click actually does here. Thanks for reminding me. That was an A+ move for sure. How do you think he’ll fare without Lord Strom? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 21, 2022 13:48:11 GMT -6
BREAKING: U.S. Appeals Court rules that a letter that allegedly shows MLB hid Yankees’ sign stealing should be unsealed. And yet, crickets from ESPN... They’re busy walking off the set for the “Don’t Say Ghey” bill. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 21, 2022 14:59:37 GMT -6
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 21, 2022 16:25:16 GMT -6
A court decision is handed down in the morning and a story about it by ESPN is "finally" posted in the afternoon of the same day? OMG. |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 21, 2022 17:01:59 GMT -6
Maton-for-Straw was Click. I'm fairly certain that wasn't anyone else's idea Thanks for reminding me. That was an A+ move for sure. How do you think he’ll fare without Lord Strom? Relievers are the most inconsistent performers year-to-year of any roster position and it isn't even close. Whether they're top-10 effective has little if nothing to do with coaching in my estimation, and it's not part of the equation if they have a suck season either
Consistency each appearance with mechanics and delivery is what makes the difference, and most of the time when that's off it's cause a muscle or tendon somewhere is barking
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Post by m240 on Mar 21, 2022 17:11:15 GMT -6
I have given some thought to the whole ghosting controversy. I am fairly certain this is a media creation. Not that Houston did not fail to return Boras' attempts to contact them at the end, just that they had already told them that the two opt outs were a non starter. I know it would of been for me and I am fairly sure it would be for any team that had options. I also think that Click needs to address the issue before it gets much more press so that this does not become a bigger PR issue. Click’s issue is no one knows anything of significance he has done in terms of adding to the roster since joining the team. He traded for Graveman but then promptly let him go. He let go of Springer and Correa as well. And yet we went to the World Series last year. A wise song writer once wrote, "some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers". Or said another way some of the best trades are the ones you do not make. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Mar 21, 2022 17:58:27 GMT -6
BREAKING: U.S. Appeals Court rules that a letter that allegedly shows MLB hid Yankees’ sign stealing should be unsealed. And yet, crickets from ESPN... I hope this is another black eye for Manfraud. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 21, 2022 18:09:11 GMT -6
Click’s issue is no one knows anything of significance he has done in terms of adding to the roster since joining the team. He traded for Graveman but then promptly let him go. He let go of Springer and Correa as well. And yet we went to the World Series last year. A wise song writer once wrote, "some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers". Or said another way some of the best trades are the ones you do not make. They went to the WS without Springer. Let’s see if they can without Correa. |
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Post by m240 on Mar 21, 2022 21:07:02 GMT -6
And yet we went to the World Series last year. A wise song writer once wrote, "some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers". Or said another way some of the best trades are the ones you do not make. They went to the WS without Springer. Let’s see if they can without Correa. I am not very confident of that happening. Having said that I was pretty confident that we had a problem with our rotation last year and another with center field. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 21, 2022 21:26:19 GMT -6
A court decision is handed down in the morning and a story about it by ESPN is "finally" posted in the afternoon of the same day? OMG. Aren't they the "world wide leader in sports"? Yeah, I expect better. How many articles did we see about the Astros about every tiny little thing, whether true or not? For months! Now, a court ruling about one of the biggest sports teams in the world, and they aren't among the first to push out a story? Come on... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 21, 2022 21:30:13 GMT -6
Tornado hit Madisonville. Wonder if Corch is now in Oz
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Post by Saint on Mar 21, 2022 21:31:08 GMT -6
I'm not sure why people are upset with Click... Sure, he inherited a good on-field product, but remember that he also inherited a weak farm system, no payroll wiggle room, and no high draft picks. Yet, in his first two seasons we've been a win away from getting to the WS, and then two wins away from winning the WS. He's made some good moves (and some bad moves), and he hasn't panicked with some guys leaving.
The real tale for Click will be after he has gotten some real drafts under his belt and what he does with the young talent we do have now (Tucker, Yordan, the pitchers, etc.).
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 21, 2022 21:49:38 GMT -6
I'm not sure why people are upset with Click... Sure, he inherited a good on-field product, but remember that he also inherited a weak farm system, no payroll wiggle room, and no high draft picks. Yet, in his first two seasons we've been a win away from getting to the WS, and then two wins away from winning the WS. He's made some good moves (and some bad moves), and he hasn't panicked with some guys leaving. The real tale for Click will be after he has gotten some real drafts under his belt and what he does with the young talent we do have now (Tucker, Yordan, the pitchers, etc.). Letting go of Springer was tough but understandable. Letting Correa go was a mistake unless they lock up Tucker, which (judging by Springer and Correa) is hard to picture. Not retaining your stars sends a message to the players and to free agents that the owner does not want to pay players their market value, and that makes the team a tough draw. If you want to be one of the bigger fish, your wallet needs to show it. So really, my issue is how the owner supposedly handled Correa and his agent rather than his subordinate Click, but both share the blame for his departure. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 21, 2022 22:28:58 GMT -6
I'm not sure why people are upset with Click... Sure, he inherited a good on-field product, but remember that he also inherited a weak farm system, no payroll wiggle room, and no high draft picks. Yet, in his first two seasons we've been a win away from getting to the WS, and then two wins away from winning the WS. He's made some good moves (and some bad moves), and he hasn't panicked with some guys leaving. The real tale for Click will be after he has gotten some real drafts under his belt and what he does with the young talent we do have now (Tucker, Yordan, the pitchers, etc.). Letting go of Springer was tough but understandable. Letting Correa go was a mistake unless they lock up Tucker, which (judging by Springer and Correa) is hard to picture. Not retaining your stars sends a message to the players and to free agents that the owner does not want to pay players their market value, and that makes the team a tough draw. If you want to be one of the bigger fish, your wallet needs to show it. So really, my issue is how the owner supposedly handled Correa and his agent rather than his subordinate Click, but both share the blame for his departure. But they HAVE retained some of their stars. The stars that didn't go out there demanding to be the highest paid shortstop or infielder or whatever. I agree that this seems like a deal that we could have done, but maybe they were sick of his diva-like attitude regarding free agency. Maybe they were pissed at Boras. Who knows? If the loss of one player causes us to go from a pennant-winning team to a non-contender, then we have bigger issues. Bregman - Extended Altuve - Extended Brantley - Re-signed Gurriel - Re-Signed Verlander - Re-Signed McCullers - Extended You just can't keep everybody all of the time. The trend with those guys above...they were reasonable with their expectations. Correa never was. And he shot himself in the foot because nobody offered him close to what he wanted outside of stinky Detroit. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 21, 2022 23:44:53 GMT -6
Letting go of Springer was tough but understandable. Letting Correa go was a mistake unless they lock up Tucker, which (judging by Springer and Correa) is hard to picture. Not retaining your stars sends a message to the players and to free agents that the owner does not want to pay players their market value, and that makes the team a tough draw. If you want to be one of the bigger fish, your wallet needs to show it. So really, my issue is how the owner supposedly handled Correa and his agent rather than his subordinate Click, but both share the blame for his departure. But they HAVE retained some of their stars. The stars that didn't go out there demanding to be the highest paid shortstop or infielder or whatever. I agree that this seems like a deal that we could have done, but maybe they were sick of his diva-like attitude regarding free agency. Maybe they were pissed at Boras. Who knows? If the loss of one player causes us to go from a pennant-winning team to a non-contender, then we have bigger issues. Bregman - Extended Altuve - Extended Brantley - Re-signed Gurriel - Re-Signed Verlander - Re-Signed McCullers - Extended You just can't keep everybody all of the time. The trend with those guys above...they were reasonable with their expectations. Correa never was. And he shot himself in the foot because nobody offered him close to what he wanted outside of stinky Detroit. Bregman, I think got a raise but wasn’t extended. I guess Crane only wants to pay MVP or near MVP level players. Signing Altuve to that extension gave us all unrealistic expectations. I love Verlander but I have no idea why you’d hitch your wagon to a 38-year old coming off TJS rather than a 27-year old solid all-around SS coming off a Platinum Glove award who’s been one of the biggest vocal and defensive leaders on the team as well as an occasional hitter who carries the lineup. People make the argument that we don’t need certain players to reach the World Series so what about JV’s contributions last season? Brantley and Gurriel are declining power players who’re getting a little long in the tooth. I appreciate Crane signing them (Brantley with no raise at all), but they’ve really got to make plans for their departures. About McCullers, not many of us were too ecstatic because of his injury history but were proven wrong…until he hurt himself again. Like he always does. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 22, 2022 1:31:18 GMT -6
But they HAVE retained some of their stars. The stars that didn't go out there demanding to be the highest paid shortstop or infielder or whatever. I agree that this seems like a deal that we could have done, but maybe they were sick of his diva-like attitude regarding free agency. Maybe they were pissed at Boras. Who knows? If the loss of one player causes us to go from a pennant-winning team to a non-contender, then we have bigger issues. Bregman - Extended Altuve - Extended Brantley - Re-signed Gurriel - Re-Signed Verlander - Re-Signed McCullers - Extended You just can't keep everybody all of the time. The trend with those guys above...they were reasonable with their expectations. Correa never was. And he shot himself in the foot because nobody offered him close to what he wanted outside of stinky Detroit. Bregman, I think got a raise but wasn’t extended. I guess Crane only wants to pay MVP or near MVP level players. Signing Altuve to that extension gave us all unrealistic expectations. I love Verlander but I have no idea why you’d hitch your wagon to a 38-year old coming off TJS rather than a 27-year old solid all-around SS coming off a Platinum Glove award who’s been one of the biggest vocal and defensive leaders on the team as well as an occasional hitter who carries the lineup. People make the argument that we don’t need certain players to reach the World Series so what about JV’s contributions last season? Brantley and Gurriel are declining power players who’re getting a little long in the tooth. I appreciate Crane signing them (Brantley with no raise at all), but they’ve really got to make plans for their departures. About McCullers, not many of us were too ecstatic because of his injury history but were proven wrong…until he hurt himself again. Like he always does. "I guess Crane only wants to pay MVP or near MVP level players." And shouldn't it be that way? Whether they will be good extensions/signings or not isn't the point. The point is that he DID spend substantial money to keep many of our high level performers. The ones that were willing to be reasonable with their expectations and not go overboard with their egos. As for Verlander, that's a weird comparison because they bring totally different types of value. Besides, JV was $50+ million dollars less and has shown historically that he can put together back to back healthy seasons.....unlike Carlos. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Carlos hasn't magically fixed his back issue right? He needs constant massage therapy on it to keep going, right? Again, I think the deal he got from Minnesota is something we could have done, but I'm not going to lose sleep over losing Carlos. By all accounts, Pena will be very good defensively as well and he has shown the last couple seasons that he has pretty solid offensive potential as well. As the season progresses I'm sure they will assess the areas we're weak at and they'll look into trade acquisitions. I'm more concerned with the health of our OF than our production at SS. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 22, 2022 6:40:12 GMT -6
Astros have $30M under luxury cap, and have not made any noteworthy offensive signings. Factoring that Correa's departure, should the Astros look for teams wanting to shed salary?
We know both the Padres and Mets want to dump salaries.
What about Will Myers, Padres OF? He is owed $20M this year, and has $20M club option in 2023, with a $1M buyout.
I would think the Astros would have to give up very little to get him. It would be more taking on his salary. There might even be cash considerations. What do you think?
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Post by m240 on Mar 22, 2022 7:47:46 GMT -6
Astros have $30M under luxury cap, and have not made any noteworthy offensive signings. Factoring that Correa's departure, should the Astros look for teams wanting to shed salary? We know both the Padres and Mets want to dump salaries. What about Will Myers, Padres OF? He is owed $20M this year, and has $20M club option in 2023, with a $1M buyout. I would think the Astros would have to give up very little to get him. It would be more taking on his salary. There might even be cash considerations. What do you think? Myers is not worth 20m in my opinion. 15 million yes and then let him play for his supper so to speak for 23. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 22, 2022 8:17:42 GMT -6
Tornado hit Madisonville. Wonder if Corch is now in Oz Rumor has it, he's been living there for years.  Seriously though, Mother Nature has been a PLB to Texas lately. Wildfires in North Texas. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 22, 2022 8:40:35 GMT -6
Astros have $30M under luxury cap, and have not made any noteworthy offensive signings. Factoring that Correa's departure, should the Astros look for teams wanting to shed salary? We know both the Padres and Mets want to dump salaries. What about Will Myers, Padres OF? He is owed $20M this year, and has $20M club option in 2023, with a $1M buyout. I would think the Astros would have to give up very little to get him. It would be more taking on his salary. There might even be cash considerations. What do you think? Myers is not worth 20m in my opinion. 15 million yes and then let him play for his supper so to speak for 23. I agree he's not worth 20 million, But he can be had for very little. Click has done nothing offensively this past free agency. And we don't want to give up good prospects, so a trade for Myers could be in the cards. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 22, 2022 8:45:09 GMT -6
Myers is not worth 20m in my opinion. There was a lot of hype surrounding Myers when he was a prospect. His ML career thus far has been good but not great. Compared to Tucker ... no, let's not go there. Tucker looks like the real thing. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 22, 2022 9:19:43 GMT -6
Myers is not worth 20m in my opinion. 15 million yes and then let him play for his supper so to speak for 23. I agree he's not worth 20 million, But he can be had for very little. Click has done nothing offensively this past free agency. And we don't want to give up good prospects, so a trade for Myers could be in the cards. I think it's less about the money and more about how much space you have in your outfield and on your bench. If Pena sticks at short, two bench spots are already taken by Diaz and Goodrum. Tucker and Uncle Mike are locks as regulars in the OF. If/when everyone is healthy, that leaves Meyers, Chaz, and Siri as possibilities, although they all have options remaining. OPS+Myers 113 Meyers 107 McCormick 107 Siri 155 (small sample size and probably not what we'll see going forward) I don't see Myers as such a big upgrade that it's worth blocking any of the in-house talent. YMMV |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 22, 2022 9:38:41 GMT -6
Bregman, I think got a raise but wasn’t extended. I guess Crane only wants to pay MVP or near MVP level players. Signing Altuve to that extension gave us all unrealistic expectations. I love Verlander but I have no idea why you’d hitch your wagon to a 38-year old coming off TJS rather than a 27-year old solid all-around SS coming off a Platinum Glove award who’s been one of the biggest vocal and defensive leaders on the team as well as an occasional hitter who carries the lineup. People make the argument that we don’t need certain players to reach the World Series so what about JV’s contributions last season? Brantley and Gurriel are declining power players who’re getting a little long in the tooth. I appreciate Crane signing them (Brantley with no raise at all), but they’ve really got to make plans for their departures. About McCullers, not many of us were too ecstatic because of his injury history but were proven wrong…until he hurt himself again. Like he always does. "I guess Crane only wants to pay MVP or near MVP level players." And shouldn't it be that way? Whether they will be good extensions/signings or not isn't the point. The point is that he DID spend substantial money to keep many of our high level performers. The ones that were willing to be reasonable with their expectations and not go overboard with their egos. As for Verlander, that's a weird comparison because they bring totally different types of value. Besides, JV was $50+ million dollars less and has shown historically that he can put together back to back healthy seasons.....unlike Carlos. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Carlos hasn't magically fixed his back issue right? He needs constant massage therapy on it to keep going, right? Again, I think the deal he got from Minnesota is something we could have done, but I'm not going to lose sleep over losing Carlos. By all accounts, Pena will be very good defensively as well and he has shown the last couple seasons that he has pretty solid offensive potential as well. As the season progresses I'm sure they will assess the areas we're weak at and they'll look into trade acquisitions. I'm more concerned with the health of our OF than our production at SS. The issue with trades is our farm system sucks now, which is another reason why I’d rather have had Correa re-signed. It’s the time to spend and draft if they want to keep this thing going optimally. As far as the back issue, he’s been healthy enough the past couple years it seems and enough to hit 20+ homers and garner a Platinum Glove award. Seager got 10/$350 mil and as I recall needed an epidural to play us in the World Series. These are just convenient excuses because the man is cocky and rubs people the wrong way. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 22, 2022 9:41:19 GMT -6
Astros have $30M under luxury cap, and have not made any noteworthy offensive signings. Factoring that Correa's departure, should the Astros look for teams wanting to shed salary? We know both the Padres and Mets want to dump salaries. What about Will Myers, Padres OF? He is owed $20M this year, and has $20M club option in 2023, with a $1M buyout. I would think the Astros would have to give up very little to get him. It would be more taking on his salary. There might even be cash considerations. What do you think? Myers, talk about injury prone. Also, that’s a lot of money for him despite the fact that he has decent hitting ability. I really like the speed, though. This team needs more of it. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 22, 2022 10:00:03 GMT -6
Astros have $30M under luxury cap, and have not made any noteworthy offensive signings. Factoring that Correa's departure, should the Astros look for teams wanting to shed salary? We know both the Padres and Mets want to dump salaries. What about Will Myers, Padres OF? He is owed $20M this year, and has $20M club option in 2023, with a $1M buyout. I would think the Astros would have to give up very little to get him. It would be more taking on his salary. There might even be cash considerations. What do you think? Myers is not worth 20m in my opinion. 15 million yes and then let him play for his supper so to speak for 23. If I were him I’d bail on the Padres and go to a different contender. Apparently, their expensive star player behaves like a moron in his spare time. He’s also teammates with Machado, gross. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 22, 2022 10:30:20 GMT -6
Myers is not worth 20m in my opinion. 15 million yes and then let him play for his supper so to speak for 23. If I were him I’d bail on the Padres and go to a different contender. Apparently, their expensive star player behaves like a moron in his spare time. He’s also teammates with Machado, gross. He's not a free agent... Padres want to trade him, but no one really wants to take on that 20 million.... So, I think the Astros could him for next to nothing, and probably cash considerations. I do see him as an upgrade over McCormick or Siri... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 22, 2022 10:39:01 GMT -6
If I were him I’d bail on the Padres and go to a different contender. Apparently, their expensive star player behaves like a moron in his spare time. He’s also teammates with Machado, gross. He's not a free agent... Padres want to trade him, but no one really wants to take on that 20 million.... So, I think the Astros could him for next to nothing, and probably cash considerations. I do see him as an upgrade over McCormick or Siri... If they could have him for next to nothing, sure why not? |
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Post by churchill on Mar 22, 2022 17:24:19 GMT -6
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