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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 9, 2021 0:18:21 GMT -6
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think the Posey play was dirty. If Posey had caught the ball (and there was probably no way Cousins could tell if he did or not when everything was happening that fast) he would have been out easily. Under the old rules, you were supposed to blow up the catcher in that situation, right? Even at the time, I don't recall people other than Giants' fans calling it dirty.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 7:27:05 GMT -6
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think the Posey play was dirty. If Posey had caught the ball (and there was probably no way Cousins could tell if he did or not when everything was happening that fast) he would have been out easily. Under the old rules, you were supposed to blow up the catcher in that situation, right? Even at the time, I don't recall people other than Giants' fans calling it dirty. I can get if people didn’t like the play, but what I don’t like is people suggesting there was malicious intent behind the collision. Just because we all like Posey doesn’t mean Cousins has to be the villain just because he’s some nobody. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 9, 2021 8:14:43 GMT -6
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think the Posey play was dirty. If Posey had caught the ball (and there was probably no way Cousins could tell if he did or not when everything was happening that fast) he would have been out easily. Under the old rules, you were supposed to blow up the catcher in that situation, right? Even at the time, I don't recall people other than Giants' fans calling it dirty. I don't think there was so much an 'old rule' about this as much as a lack of rule.. And that mindset is exactly why the rule was necessary. I've always felt that the runner had a right to go to the plate and if a catcher blocked the plate, he was fair game. The idea that if a catcher might be able to tag you out, it's okay to take whatever path you want to murder the catcher seemed completely wrong to me. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 9, 2021 8:43:04 GMT -6
Marisnick clobbered Lucroy here and was declared out only because of the new rule. I believe this would’ve been legal under prior guidelines. If there was any doubt that Marisnick was dumber than a box of rock, there's proof positive.  When he was finally ruled out, Jake stood there with a dumbfounded look of utter disbelief on his face. (Also, what's up with that caption? That ain't no slide.) |
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Post by m240 on Dec 9, 2021 9:03:11 GMT -6
I thought that what Marisnick did on this play was chicken shit. Coming inside the line to blow up the catcher like that is like hitting a woman in my mind. Now if he was blocking the plat then game on.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 9:07:36 GMT -6
What I’m genuinely confused about is weren’t players instructed to try and jar the ball loose from the catcher on plays at home? Obviously, sliding is preferable for both parties and teams, but the objective is to score and not make it easy to be a sitting duck. When plays are egregious enough for the out to be called on the runner, the onus is on the umpire to determine that.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 9:09:03 GMT -6
I thought that what Marisnick did on this play was chicken shit. Coming inside the line to blow up the catcher like that is like hitting a woman in my mind. Now if he was blocking the plat then game on. I think it was worse than Cousins, but the awkwardness of the collision for me gives credence that both parties involved were in an “oh shit” moment. Given Calhoun’s arm, I think Marisnick ruled out sliding. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 9, 2021 9:18:40 GMT -6
Marisnick clobbered Lucroy here and was declared out only because of the new rule. I believe this would’ve been legal under prior guidelines. It was the right call. Jake obviously deviated from a direct path to the plate and targeted Lucroy, rather than going to the plate in the same way Cousins targeted Posey. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 9:19:47 GMT -6
Marisnick clobbered Lucroy here and was declared out only because of the new rule. I believe this would’ve been legal under prior guidelines. It was the right call. Jake obviously deviated from a direct path to the plate and targeted Lucroy, rather than going to the plate in the same way Cousins targeted Posey. I agree. With the newer rules, it seemed like a slam dunk. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 9, 2021 9:22:31 GMT -6
Marisnick clobbered Lucroy here and was declared out only because of the new rule. I believe this would’ve been legal under prior guidelines. That was bad too. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 9:25:32 GMT -6
Marisnick clobbered Lucroy here and was declared out only because of the new rule. I believe this would’ve been legal under prior guidelines. That was bad too. I don’t recall many fans understanding the ruling back then. Everyone was pro-Jake. I may have been one too. However, the ugliness of this one seemed worse to me than the Posey one. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2021 9:35:48 GMT -6
What I’m genuinely confused about is weren’t players instructed to try and jar the ball loose from the catcher on plays at home? Obviously, sliding is preferable for both parties and teams, but the objective is to score and not make it easy to be a sitting duck. When plays are egregious enough for the out to be called on the runner, the onus is on the umpire to determine that. Looks like you're on your own in support of dickhead douchebag plays. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 9, 2021 9:38:46 GMT -6
What I’m genuinely confused about is weren’t players instructed to try and jar the ball loose from the catcher on plays at home? Obviously, sliding is preferable for both parties and teams, but the objective is to score and not make it easy to be a sitting duck. When plays are egregious enough for the out to be called on the runner, the onus is on the umpire to determine that. Player are taught to jar the ball loose. What marisnick did was chicken shit. He went from outside the line to inside the line in a direct line to blow the catcher up, not touch home plate. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 9, 2021 9:56:04 GMT -6
Under the old rules, you were supposed to blow up the catcher in that situation, right? Wrong. Under the old...unwritten... rule you blasted the catcher if he was in the base path blocking your route to the plate. If the catcher was blocking your path to the plate, then you blew him up. If you deviated from the base path and targeted the fielder, you were being chicken shit... or dirty, if you prefer. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 10:16:54 GMT -6
What I’m genuinely confused about is weren’t players instructed to try and jar the ball loose from the catcher on plays at home? Obviously, sliding is preferable for both parties and teams, but the objective is to score and not make it easy to be a sitting duck. When plays are egregious enough for the out to be called on the runner, the onus is on the umpire to determine that. Looks like you're on your own in support of dickhead douchebag plays. I guess so. So, I take it you feel being a jerk is a prerequisite for catcher collisions? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 10:18:31 GMT -6
Under the old rules, you were supposed to blow up the catcher in that situation, right? Wrong. Under the old...unwritten... rule you blasted the catcher if he was in the base path blocking your route to the plate. If the catcher was blocking your path to the plate, then you blew him up. If you deviated from the base path and targeted the fielder, you were being chicken shit... or dirty, if you prefer. So, if the umpires allow it to happen, whose fault is it? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 10:20:38 GMT -6
What I’m genuinely confused about is weren’t players instructed to try and jar the ball loose from the catcher on plays at home? Obviously, sliding is preferable for both parties and teams, but the objective is to score and not make it easy to be a sitting duck. When plays are egregious enough for the out to be called on the runner, the onus is on the umpire to determine that. Player are taught to jar the ball loose. What marisnick did was chicken shit. He went from outside the line to inside the line in a direct line to blow the catcher up, not touch home plate. From what I remember, his excuse was the catcher juked him, which led him into choosing the wrong direction. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 9, 2021 11:16:57 GMT -6
Player are taught to jar the ball loose. What marisnick did was chicken shit. He went from outside the line to inside the line in a direct line to blow the catcher up, not touch home plate. From what I remember, his excuse was the catcher juked him, which led him into choosing the wrong direction. if you watch the play he is clearly full of shit and just trying to imply he was not at fault instead of just saying heat of the moment and bad judgement. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 12:12:43 GMT -6
From what I remember, his excuse was the catcher juked him, which led him into choosing the wrong direction. if you watch the play he is clearly full of shit and just trying to imply he was not at fault instead of just saying heat of the moment and bad judgement. I would chalk it up to bad judgment as well, but it’s hard to know what course of action to take in these kinds of situations. When the base coach sends the runner, he basically tells him to figure it out. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 9, 2021 12:34:56 GMT -6
Wrong. Under the old...unwritten... rule you blasted the catcher if he was in the base path blocking your route to the plate. If the catcher was blocking your path to the plate, then you blew him up. If you deviated from the base path and targeted the fielder, you were being chicken shit... or dirty, if you prefer. So, if the umpires allow it to happen, whose fault is it? The person who DID it, son. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 18:57:40 GMT -6
So, if the umpires allow it to happen, whose fault is it? The person who DID it, son. They’ll do what the enforcer of rules allows. As long as it’s allowed, it’s legal. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 9, 2021 19:19:30 GMT -6
Anyhoo .. thoughts on Wander Franco and/or his mega-deal?
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 20:43:15 GMT -6
Anyhoo .. thoughts on Wander Franco and/or his mega-deal? For some reason, Correa wants deals that guys as young as Tatis and Franco get in terms of contract years. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 9, 2021 21:03:08 GMT -6
The person who DID it, son. They’ll do what the enforcer of rules allows. As long as it’s allowed, it’s legal. There is a big difference in legal and ethical in my book. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 9, 2021 23:41:27 GMT -6
They’ll do what the enforcer of rules allows. As long as it’s allowed, it’s legal. There is a big difference in legal and ethical in my book. And so many of the same people who don’t like it also cheer when a pitcher throws at a hitter. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 10, 2021 9:25:39 GMT -6
The person who DID it, son. They’ll do what the enforcer of rules allows. As long as it’s allowed, it’s legal. dumbest thing you have ever said. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 10, 2021 10:05:35 GMT -6
They’ll do what the enforcer of rules allows. As long as it’s allowed, it’s legal. dumbest thing you have ever said. If the plays were egregious enough, the runner would’ve been ruled out. As it stood, the plays were enforced properly, Marisnick’s call included. People thinking the runners were assholes have a right to their opinions. I just think they’re wrong. If someone can show me there was actual malicious intent, I can agree with them. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 10, 2021 12:05:03 GMT -6
if you watch the play he is clearly full of shit and just trying to imply he was not at fault instead of just saying heat of the moment and bad judgement. I would chalk it up to bad judgment as well, but it’s hard to know what course of action to take in these kinds of situations. When the base coach sends the runner, he basically tells him to figure it out. Rule 6.01(i)(1) makes it dead-easy to know which course of action to take. A direct path to the plate. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 10, 2021 12:15:29 GMT -6
This was a direct path to the plate if we only consider the horizontal plane.
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 10, 2021 13:12:02 GMT -6
Anyhoo .. thoughts on Wander Franco and/or his mega-deal? For some reason, Correa wants deals that guys as young as Tatis and Franco get in terms of contract years. |
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