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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 5, 2021 10:09:22 GMT -6
What type of steak would you order? I always ordered the tomahawk ribeye Nice... |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 5, 2021 10:37:34 GMT -6
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 7, 2021 8:19:16 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 7, 2021 9:25:34 GMT -6
Meh, but begrudgingly okay. I am for both a salary cap floor and ceiling . For 2022: 80M Floor and 230M Ceiling. For 2023: 100M Floor and 240 Ceiling. No luxury cap, the cap is the cap, you can't go over. I am still for team revenue sharing. Hopefully having a salary cap floor enforces teams to be competitive. I am for being able to trade draft picks. DH Rule - if the NL for some reason still wants, let them have it. I don't see why the players union doesn't want the DH in both leagues. Get rid of the extra innings starting on 2B. I am not a fan of a pitcher having minimum to face, but I'm okay with it. Defensive shifts are legal, just learn to beat them. Release the Yankees report. All teams found guilty of electronic cheating era made publicly aware. Give them amnesty for that time (yes, it's unfair to the Astros), but any team found guilty going forward will not be allowed to go the playoffs for that year and the next. And the team will be fined and penalized with draft picks. Players will receive suspensions. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 7, 2021 10:28:02 GMT -6
DH Rule - if the NL for some reason still wants, let them have it. I don't see why the players union doesn't want the DH in both leagues. The players union does want the DH in both leagues. NL owners want to keep the game pure, as it should be. Personal opinion: The DH is garbage and should be abolished. But we know that's not gonna happen. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 7, 2021 10:34:41 GMT -6
DH Rule - if the NL for some reason still wants, let them have it. I don't see why the players union doesn't want the DH in both leagues. The players union does want the DH in both leagues. NL owners want to keep the game pure, as it should be. Personal opinion: The DH is garbage and should be abolished. But we know that's not gonna happen. I used to be against it, but now I have softened up because it's more exciting to watch an actual hitter hit... |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 7, 2021 12:10:55 GMT -6
The players union does want the DH in both leagues. NL owners want to keep the game pure, as it should be. Personal opinion: The DH is garbage and should be abolished. But we know that's not gonna happen. I used to be against it, but now I have softened up because it's more exciting to watch an actual hitter hit... Real baseball is played without the Dh. I love the lineup changes, etc from the Nl. However, I am fine with the Dh being in both leagues if that means baseball will be back sooner rather than later. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 7, 2021 12:23:59 GMT -6
DH Rule - if the NL for some reason still wants, let them have it. I don't see why the players union doesn't want the DH in both leagues. The players union does want the DH in both leagues. NL owners want to keep the game pure, as it should be.Personal opinion: The DH is garbage and should be abolished. But we know that's not gonna happen. People are selective about "keep the game pure". They focus on stuff like DH while conveniently ignoring the myriad other changes that have been made to the game (pitching mound, distance from mound to plate, catcher crashing, etc.) |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 7, 2021 12:31:29 GMT -6
The players union does want the DH in both leagues. NL owners want to keep the game pure, as it should be.Personal opinion: The DH is garbage and should be abolished. But we know that's not gonna happen. People are selective about "keep the game pure". They focus on stuff like DH while conveniently ignoring the myriad other changes that have been made to the game (pitching mound, distance from mound to plate, catcher crashing, etc.) I don’t like the slide rules. You shouldn’t just allow fielders to have their way. If a catcher wants to block the plate, they should assume the subsequent risk. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 7, 2021 14:31:54 GMT -6
People are selective about "keep the game pure". They focus on stuff like DH while conveniently ignoring the myriad other changes that have been made to the game (pitching mound, distance from mound to plate, catcher crashing, etc.) And some people compare apples to oranges. I was never a fan of the "in the vicinity" rule and thankfully that has been eliminated. Although I do have at least a little respect for the rationale behind it. Much like the Buster Posey rule. But the DH rule is a god-awful travesty that never should have been allowed. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 7, 2021 16:27:01 GMT -6
The players union does want the DH in both leagues. NL owners want to keep the game pure, as it should be.Personal opinion: The DH is garbage and should be abolished. But we know that's not gonna happen. People are selective about "keep the game pure". They focus on stuff like DH while conveniently ignoring the myriad other changes that have been made to the game (pitching mound, distance from mound to plate, catcher crashing, etc.) A lot of those people don't realize that gloves and mitts weren't around at the very beginning of the sport either. Keep the game pure, ban baseball gloves!!!!! |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 7, 2021 18:17:01 GMT -6
A lot of those people don't realize that gloves and mitts weren't around at the very beginning of the sport either. Keep the game pure, ban baseball gloves!!!!! Sound good, but only if you bring back the catching a batted ball on one-bounce is an out rule.  Seriously though, we've heard that sort of hyperbole back when the abortion known as DH was first proposed. It doesn't change the fact that the DH is garbage. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 8, 2021 11:25:43 GMT -6
People are selective about "keep the game pure". They focus on stuff like DH while conveniently ignoring the myriad other changes that have been made to the game (pitching mound, distance from mound to plate, catcher crashing, etc.) And some people compare apples to oranges. I was never a fan of the "in the vicinity" rule and thankfully that has been eliminated. Although I do have at least a little respect for the rationale behind it. Much like the Buster Posey rule. But the DH rule is a god-awful travesty that never should have been allowed. I never liked “the neighborhood play” either, but I don’t like how if the runner chooses to take a beeline path to the plate, he can’t knock the infielder over. The runner has as much of a right to the basepaths as the fielder. The play where Posey broke his leg was a clean play. Just because the Giants got their panties in a twist over it didn’t necessitate a rule change. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 8, 2021 15:46:51 GMT -6
I never liked “the neighborhood play” either, but I don’t like how if the runner chooses to take a beeline path to the plate, he can’t knock the infielder over. The runner has as much of a right to the basepaths as the fielder. The play where Posey broke his leg was a clean play. Just because the Giants got their panties in a twist over it didn’t necessitate a rule change. It wasn't just the Giants. Many fans of other teams as well as just about every catcher in baseball were shocked by that play. You say it was a clean play. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think it was dirty AF. When Posey turned toward third base, no part of his body was even close to the baseline or the plate. Yet Scott Cousins went as hard as possible into Posey's right shoulder. One of the most tragic facts ... If Cousins had simply slid (or taken a running beeline) directly to the plate the collision would not have occurred and he would have safely scored. Posey didn't catch the throw and the ball was behind him as Cousins assaulted him. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 8, 2021 16:03:59 GMT -6
Phil Connors' prediction regarding the lockout.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 8, 2021 18:13:44 GMT -6
I never liked “the neighborhood play” either, but I don’t like how if the runner chooses to take a beeline path to the plate, he can’t knock the infielder over. The runner has as much of a right to the basepaths as the fielder. The play where Posey broke his leg was a clean play. Just because the Giants got their panties in a twist over it didn’t necessitate a rule change. It wasn't just the Giants. Many fans of other teams as well as just about every catcher in baseball were shocked by that play. You say it was a clean play. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think it was dirty AF. When Posey turned toward third base, no part of his body was even close to the baseline or the plate. Yet Scott Cousins went as hard as possible into Posey's right shoulder. One of the most tragic facts ... If Cousins had simply slid (or taken a running beeline) directly to the plate the collision would not have occurred and he would have safely scored. Posey didn't catch the throw and the ball was behind him as Cousins assaulted him. Cousins didn’t know he was going to be safe, and I remember that outfielder having one of the best arms in the majors. Cousins didn’t go way outside of the path to get Posey. Also, Posey tried tagging him with no ball. Both players assumed risk and one got hurt. Also, if the play were dirty, that implies intent to injure, which was not evident by the runner’s reaction. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 8, 2021 18:34:10 GMT -6
It wasn't just the Giants. Many fans of other teams as well as just about every catcher in baseball were shocked by that play. You say it was a clean play. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think it was dirty AF. When Posey turned toward third base, no part of his body was even close to the baseline or the plate. Yet Scott Cousins went as hard as possible into Posey's right shoulder. One of the most tragic facts ... If Cousins had simply slid (or taken a running beeline) directly to the plate the collision would not have occurred and he would have safely scored. Posey didn't catch the throw and the ball was behind him as Cousins assaulted him. Cousins didn’t know he was going to be safe, and I remember that outfielder having one of the best arms in the majors. Cousins didn’t go way outside of the path to get Posey. Also, Posey tried tagging him with no ball. Both players assumed risk and one got hurt. Also, if the play were dirty, that implies intent to injure, which was not evident by the runner’s reaction. I think it was attempted murder. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 8, 2021 18:59:11 GMT -6
I think it was attempted murder. That might be an over-stating it ... but only slightly.  |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 8, 2021 19:35:48 GMT -6
I think it was attempted murder. That might be an over-stating it ... but only slightly. That was one of the few plays that actually pissed me off while watching. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 8, 2021 19:41:39 GMT -6
I never liked “the neighborhood play” either, but I don’t like how if the runner chooses to take a beeline path to the plate, he can’t knock the infielder over. The runner has as much of a right to the basepaths as the fielder. The play where Posey broke his leg was a clean play. Just because the Giants got their panties in a twist over it didn’t necessitate a rule change. It wasn't just the Giants. Many fans of other teams as well as just about every catcher in baseball were shocked by that play. You say it was a clean play. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think it was dirty AF. When Posey turned toward third base, no part of his body was even close to the baseline or the plate. Yet Scott Cousins went as hard as possible into Posey's right shoulder. One of the most tragic facts ... If Cousins had simply slid (or taken a running beeline) directly to the plate the collision would not have occurred and he would have safely scored. Posey didn't catch the throw and the ball was behind him as Cousins assaulted him. I agree. It was a dirty play by the runner. Posey didn’t have the runner’s path to the plate blocked whatsoever. The runner went for Posey, not the plate. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 8, 2021 19:56:58 GMT -6
I agree. It was a dirty play by the runner. Posey didn’t have the runner’s path to the plate blocked whatsoever. The runner went for a Posey, not the plate. That's the difference-maker for me in this case. I've seen plays where the catcher caught the ball, straddled the baseline completely blocking the runner's path to the plate, and the runner dropped his shoulder in an attempt to steamroller the catcher and knock the ball loose. To that, I say: the catcher made himself fair game. But this was nothing like that. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 8, 2021 20:22:16 GMT -6
I agree. It was a dirty play by the runner. Posey didn’t have the runner’s path to the plate blocked whatsoever. The runner went for a Posey, not the plate. That's the difference-maker for me in this case. I've seen plays where the catcher caught the ball, straddled the baseline completely blocking the runner's path to the plate, and the runner dropped his shoulder in an attempt to steamroller the catcher and knock the ball loose. To that, I say: the catcher made himself fair game. But this was nothing like that. I’ve been watching major league baseball for 60 years. That play on Posey and the Utley take out of Tejada are the two dirtiest plays I can remember seeing in all those years. In both cases the runner went out of their way to target the fielder rather than going for the plate/base. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 8, 2021 20:47:30 GMT -6
Y’all are saying Utley intentionally tried to smash his face into Tejada’s knee?
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 8, 2021 20:50:58 GMT -6
This used to be considered legal, and I think it’s worse.
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 8, 2021 21:05:43 GMT -6
That's the difference-maker for me in this case. I've seen plays where the catcher caught the ball, straddled the baseline completely blocking the runner's path to the plate, and the runner dropped his shoulder in an attempt to steamroller the catcher and knock the ball loose. To that, I say: the catcher made himself fair game. But this was nothing like that. I’ve been watching major league baseball for 60 years. That play on Posey and the Utley take out of Tejada are the two dirtiest plays I can remember seeing in all those years. In both cases the runner went out of their way to target the fielder rather than going for the plate/base. Agreed 100% |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 8, 2021 21:06:22 GMT -6
This used to be considered legal, and I think it’s worse. That play was before I was born. The 2 papa talked about I saw live. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 8, 2021 21:49:35 GMT -6
Y’all are saying Utley intentionally tried to smash his face into Tejada’s knee? Son please. Really? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 8, 2021 22:08:32 GMT -6
Y’all are saying Utley intentionally tried to smash his face into Tejada’s knee? Son please. Really? So, what’s your definition of trying to stop double plays? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 8, 2021 22:09:20 GMT -6
This used to be considered legal, and I think it’s worse. That play was before I was born. The 2 papa talked about I saw live. I was just giving an example. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 8, 2021 22:29:24 GMT -6
Marisnick clobbered Lucroy here and was declared out only because of the new rule. I believe this would’ve been legal under prior guidelines.
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