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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 3, 2022 20:07:47 GMT -6
We'll have to at some point. It would be easier if we could imagine Crane properly reallocating that money. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2022 12:57:24 GMT -6
We'll have to at some point. It would be easier if we could imagine Crane properly reallocating that money. What in the last several years tell you they won't spend money to keep us a contender if they don't bring JV back? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 4, 2022 21:40:30 GMT -6
It would be easier if we could imagine Crane properly reallocating that money. What in the last several years tell you they won't spend money to keep us a contender if they don't bring JV back? So, you have faith he’ll get another ace or a big time bat in place of Verlander? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2022 21:59:29 GMT -6
What in the last several years tell you they won't spend money to keep us a contender if they don't bring JV back? So, you have faith he’ll get another ace or a big time bat in place of Verlander? Yes. Or extend guys we need to keep. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 4, 2022 23:19:14 GMT -6
So, you have faith he’ll get another ace or a big time bat in place of Verlander? Yes. Or extend guys we need to keep. If Crane ponies up for Tucker and either Valdez or Javier, I’m good with JV leaving possibly. I really want him to at least hit the 250-win mark with us, though. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 5, 2022 0:24:30 GMT -6
If JV leaves, I doubt they use the money on a big name pitcher. The rotation would be pretty great even without him (plus Brown could really soften the blow as well). They'll rejigger the bullpen and try for extensions, but any big acquisition would probably be a bat.
Aside from Judge, who will cost a ridiculous fortune they won't pay, there isn't a ton to be excited about on the OF market. After him it's pretty much Nimmo, Benintendi, Brantley. Maybe they go bigish for Jose Abreu or Josh Bell? Bring back Brantley on a cheapish 1-year rebound deal as well and you don't need to do much else to the offense (yes, catcher, but they won't of course). Throw in a couple of good relievers and some extensions and while losing JV would stink, they'd still look really good.
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 12:28:57 GMT -6
With Pena sitting out the final game, he's going to end up 1 point above-average offensively using OPS+ (101). He also has a legitimate shot at a GG.
Final rookie season line:
.253/.289/.426 .715 OPS (101 OPS+)
22 HR 63 RBI 72 Runs 11 SB
4.8 WAR
Interestingly, he ended up with the same exact HR and WAR as Correa did with his rookie season. (In less games played, but still interesting.)
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Post by m240 on Oct 6, 2022 10:12:34 GMT -6
With Pena sitting out the final game, he's going to end up 1 point above-average offensively using OPS+ (101). He also has a legitimate shot at a GG. Final rookie season line: .253/.289/.426 .715 OPS (101 OPS+) 22 HR 63 RBI 72 Runs 11 SB 4.8 WAR Interestingly, he ended up with the same exact HR and WAR as Correa did with his rookie season. (In less games played, but still interesting.) They have to teach this kid how to recognize and swing at only strikes and get his walk count up. The Obp is not impressive while the slugging is respectable. Forever improving/driven for excellence. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 6, 2022 10:21:34 GMT -6
With Pena sitting out the final game, he's going to end up 1 point above-average offensively using OPS+ (101). He also has a legitimate shot at a GG. Final rookie season line: .253/.289/.426 .715 OPS (101 OPS+) 22 HR 63 RBI 72 Runs 11 SB 4.8 WAR Interestingly, he ended up with the same exact HR and WAR as Correa did with his rookie season. (In less games played, but still interesting.) They have to teach this kid how to recognize and swing at only strikes and get his walk count up. The Obp is not impressive while the slugging is respectable. Forever improving/driven for excellence. I'm sure they're going to be working a lot with him over the winter. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 6, 2022 10:35:09 GMT -6
With Pena sitting out the final game, he's going to end up 1 point above-average offensively using OPS+ (101). He also has a legitimate shot at a GG. Final rookie season line: .253/.289/.426 .715 OPS (101 OPS+) 22 HR 63 RBI 72 Runs 11 SB 4.8 WAR Interestingly, he ended up with the same exact HR and WAR as Correa did with his rookie season. (In less games played, but still interesting.) They have to teach this kid how to recognize and swing at only strikes and get his walk count up. The Obp is not impressive while the slugging is respectable. Forever improving/driven for excellence. Yeah his biggest flaw is the chasing balls out of the zone. Even just a 10-20% improvement in that would be a huge boost to his overall productivity. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 6, 2022 10:40:57 GMT -6
While he would still ideally be a 4th OFer for us, Chas ended up with a pretty solid line:
.245/.332/.407 .738 OPS 110 OPS+
14 HR 44 RBI 47 Runs
He made some improvements on his K rate and that 110 OPS+ means he was approximately 10% better than the average hitter in the league this year. Out of our qualifying players, that would put him as the 5th best on our team behind: Yordan, Altuve, Bregman, and Tucker.
Through his first two seasons, he would be projected as a 20 HR 60+ RBI/Runs with a .250 AVG and a respectable 109 OPS+ if he were to be a full-time starter. It would be hard to not like that production, especially if he could improve his basestealing.
Obviously we still need to improve our OF this offseason, but I hope Chas keeps his spot on the team, especially while he is so cheap.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 6, 2022 11:23:01 GMT -6
While he would still ideally be a 4th OFer for us, Chas ended up with a pretty solid line: .245/.332/.407 .738 OPS 110 OPS+ 14 HR 44 RBI 47 Runs He made some improvements on his K rate and that 110 OPS+ means he was approximately 10% better than the average hitter in the league this year. Out of our qualifying players, that would put him as the 5th best on our team behind: Yordan, Altuve, Bregman, and Tucker. Through his first two seasons, he would be projected as a 20 HR 60+ RBI/Runs with a .250 AVG and a respectable 109 OPS+ if he were to be a full-time starter. It would be hard to not like that production, especially if he could improve his basestealing. Obviously we still need to improve our OF this offseason, but I hope Chas keeps his spot on the team, especially while he is so cheap. If they don’t improve on OF in the offseason, then they’re crazy. I strongly suspect either Reynolds or Mullins will be wearing the orange crush next year. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 6, 2022 12:17:34 GMT -6
While he would still ideally be a 4th OFer for us, Chas ended up with a pretty solid line: .245/.332/.407 .738 OPS 110 OPS+ 14 HR 44 RBI 47 Runs He made some improvements on his K rate and that 110 OPS+ means he was approximately 10% better than the average hitter in the league this year. Out of our qualifying players, that would put him as the 5th best on our team behind: Yordan, Altuve, Bregman, and Tucker. Through his first two seasons, he would be projected as a 20 HR 60+ RBI/Runs with a .250 AVG and a respectable 109 OPS+ if he were to be a full-time starter. It would be hard to not like that production, especially if he could improve his basestealing. Obviously we still need to improve our OF this offseason, but I hope Chas keeps his spot on the team, especially while he is so cheap. If they don’t improve on OF in the offseason, then they’re crazy. I strongly suspect either Reynolds or Mullins will be wearing the orange crush next year. I agree....If they re-sign Verlander, then Garcia should be of interest for either Pirates or Orioles. |
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Post by m240 on Oct 6, 2022 13:33:28 GMT -6
Would you rather sign Verlander or sign Josh Bell and Mitch Haniger if the dollar values were equal.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 6, 2022 13:45:37 GMT -6
Would you rather sign Verlander or sign Josh Bell and Mitch Haniger if the dollar values were equal. As of right now, Verlander. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 6, 2022 14:21:19 GMT -6
Would you rather sign Verlander or sign Josh Bell and Mitch Haniger if the dollar values were equal. As of right now, Verlander. Verlander, and trade for an OF. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 6, 2022 15:52:00 GMT -6
Would you rather sign Verlander or sign Josh Bell and Mitch Haniger if the dollar values were equal. JV by a landslide. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 6, 2022 16:05:34 GMT -6
I didn't think we were exploring a trade for a centerfielder until they sent Meyers to AAA. Now I think he'll be part of the package going the other way if we were to land someone
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Post by Saint on Oct 10, 2022 15:13:49 GMT -6
Supposedly the White Sox aren't going to try and bring Jose Abreu back for 1B. He's somebody I've always liked, but I don't know how much he has left in the tank. He had a good year, but didn't show much power...
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 10, 2022 16:08:03 GMT -6
Supposedly the White Sox aren't going to try and bring Jose Abreu back for 1B. He's somebody I've always liked, but I don't know how much he has left in the tank. He had a good year, but didn't show much power... He’s already 35. The ones who age like JV are rare. I’d pass on that. |
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Post by kyledriver1980 on Oct 10, 2022 16:27:31 GMT -6
Supposedly the White Sox aren't going to try and bring Jose Abreu back for 1B. He's somebody I've always liked, but I don't know how much he has left in the tank. He had a good year, but didn't show much power... He’s already 35. The ones who age like JV are rare. I’d pass on that. What if it is between bringing Yuli back for a year or Abreu for a 2 year deal to play 1B? Where is your head at in that scenario? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 10, 2022 16:58:00 GMT -6
Supposedly the White Sox aren't going to try and bring Jose Abreu back for 1B. He's somebody I've always liked, but I don't know how much he has left in the tank. He had a good year, but didn't show much power... He’s already 35. The ones who age like JV are rare. I’d pass on that. What about picking up the 1-year $10 mil option on Mancini? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 10, 2022 17:01:55 GMT -6
He’s already 35. The ones who age like JV are rare. I’d pass on that. What if it is between bringing Yuli back for a year or Abreu for a 2 year deal to play 1B? Where is your head at in that scenario? I am for Yuli... He should not command much at all, in both years and money... He would be a great player to split time with the younger and upcoming players. Be a great mentor. Plus, his ceiling/ability is higher/better than he was this season. So he's a great buy low candidate. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 10, 2022 18:11:35 GMT -6
He’s already 35. The ones who age like JV are rare. I’d pass on that. What if it is between bringing Yuli back for a year or Abreu for a 2 year deal to play 1B? Where is your head at in that scenario? Abreu all day. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 10, 2022 18:12:12 GMT -6
He’s already 35. The ones who age like JV are rare. I’d pass on that. What about picking up the 1-year $10 mil option on Mancini? The white Chris Carter? Only if we miss out on Bell. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 12, 2022 11:04:55 GMT -6
He’s already 35. The ones who age like JV are rare. I’d pass on that. What about picking up the 1-year $10 mil option on Mancini? I thought it was a mutual agreement? If it is our option, I say yes. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 12, 2022 11:06:41 GMT -6
What about picking up the 1-year $10 mil option on Mancini? I thought it was a mutual agreement? If it is our option, I say yes. It is. But, I think he would be crazy to not take the guaranteed $10 million on his end and then see if he can boost his value for the following year with a multi-year deal. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 12, 2022 12:13:35 GMT -6
I thought it was a mutual agreement? If it is our option, I say yes. It is. But, I think he would be crazy to not take the guaranteed $10 million on his end and then see if he can boost his value for the following year with a multi-year deal. If that is correct, I am all for it. I like the guy. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 14, 2022 9:54:20 GMT -6
I know this would never happen, but for s**** and giggles, Astros offer Aaron Judge 8 years/$300M, with a player opt out after the third season.
Could you imagine this lineup
1. Altuve
2. Pena
3. Alvarez
4. Judge
5. Bregman
6. Tucker
7. Hensley/Diaz
8. Meyers/McCormick/Leon
9. Maldonado/Lee/Diaz
And if Crane didn't care about luxury tax penalties. Astros re-sign Verlander, and trade Garcia + McCormick to the Pirates or Orioles for Reynolds or Mullins
1. Altuve,Reynolds or Mullins
2. Pena, Altuve, Reynolds or Mullins
3. Alvarez
4. Judge
5. Bregman
6. Tucker
7. Pena,Reynolds or Mullins
8. Hensley or Diaz
9. Maldonado, Lee or Diaz
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Post by Saint on Oct 14, 2022 10:39:56 GMT -6
I know this would never happen, but for s**** and giggles, Astros offer Aaron Judge 8 years/$300M, with a player opt out after the third season. Could you imagine this lineup 1. Altuve 2. Pena 3. Alvarez 4. Judge 5. Bregman 6. Tucker 7. Hensley/Diaz 8. Meyers/McCormick/Leon 9. Maldonado/Lee/Diaz And if Crane didn't care about luxury tax penalties. Astros re-sign Verlander, and trade Garcia + McCormick to the Pirates or Orioles for Reynolds or Mullins 1. Altuve,Reynolds or Mullins 2. Pena, Altuve, Reynolds or Mullins 3. Alvarez 4. Judge 5. Bregman 6. Tucker 7. Pena,Reynolds or Mullins 8. Hensley or Diaz 9. Maldonado, Lee or Diaz Yeah that would be cool. |
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