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Post by Saint on Apr 23, 2022 10:47:47 GMT -6
I just looked at the details of Odorizzi’s contract that are posted on Cots and found this: “21:$6M, 22:$5M, 23:$6.5M player option ($3.25M buyout) 2021-22 performance may increase 2023 option to $12.5M and buyout to $6.25M 2022 performance bonuses: $500,000 for 100 innings pitched. $1M each for 110, 120, 130, 140, 150 IP. $1.25M for 160 IP.” I do not harbor any illusions that we can trade the guy, but we can control whether or not he pitches enough to qualify for any bonuses. He needs to be taken out of the rotation immediately, put at the end of the bullpen and used for mop up duty for the rest of the season. To allow this guy to qualify for any bonus would be inexcusable. I just can't think of a good reason why him and Javier's roles shouldn't be swapped. They should have been swapped last year. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 23, 2022 11:28:13 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 23, 2022 11:51:29 GMT -6
Poor Rafael Palmeiro ignored. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 23, 2022 18:53:06 GMT -6
Poor Rafael Palmeiro ignored. Palmeiro was "only" a .288 hitter lifetime. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 23, 2022 19:45:37 GMT -6
Poor Rafael Palmeiro ignored. Palmeiro was "only" a .288 hitter lifetime. I know but he’s ignored in the 3,000/500 records. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 23, 2022 19:54:02 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Apr 23, 2022 21:38:37 GMT -6
Solomon with a good outing for Sugarland today. 5 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K. Active rosters have to be reduced from 28 to 26 on May 1. I would like to see Baez dumped, Abreu and Blanco sent down and Solomon brought up. Then remove Odorizzi from the rotation and replace him with Javier. Let Solomon take over Javier’s role in the bullpen and exile Odorizzi to the farthest end of the bullpen pecking order.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 23, 2022 21:40:57 GMT -6
Yea Lee will be here either in September or early next year for sure. My question as we speak Do we sign Micheal Conforto and rotate that OF out alot more to save on Injury and Possibly Make it when Meyers gets back we can trade Either Siri or MCCORMICK for some Pitching help? Odi looks very bad out there. But this UMP has a bad zone. |
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Post by kyledriver1980 on Apr 23, 2022 22:16:08 GMT -6
Yea Lee will be here either in September or early next year for sure. My question as we speak Do we sign Micheal Conforto and rotate that OF out alot more to save on Injury and Possibly Make it when Meyers gets back we can trade Either Siri or MCCORMICK for some Pitching help? Odi looks very bad out there. But this UMP has a bad zone. Well, that puts that dead horse to rest. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 23, 2022 22:17:39 GMT -6
Solomon with a good outing for Sugarland today. 5 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K. Active rosters have to be reduced from 28 to 26 on May 1. I would like to see Baez dumped, Abreu and Blanco sent down and Solomon brought up. Then remove Odorizzi from the rotation and replace him with Javier. Let Solomon take over Javier’s role in the bullpen and exile Odorizzi to the farthest end of the bullpen pecking order. TBH I would just cut both Baez and Odorizzi. Odor's value is not likely to rebound much and I just don't see the use in continuing to use a roster spot on him. Much rather keep Blanco on the roster than Odor. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2022 5:32:31 GMT -6
There are a lot of things they can and should do at this point, but I doubt you'll see them just dump veterans like that so soon in the season unless some type of bigger attitude issue arises.
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 24, 2022 7:38:35 GMT -6
There are a lot of things they can and should do at this point, but I doubt you'll see them just dump veterans like that so soon in the season unless some type of bigger attitude issue arises. You mean like saying it’s bullshit when Dusty pulls them out of a game? |
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2022 7:40:28 GMT -6
There are a lot of things they can and should do at this point, but I doubt you'll see them just dump veterans like that so soon in the season unless some type of bigger attitude issue arises. You mean like saying it’s bullshit when Dusty pulls them out of a game? And did they dump him? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 24, 2022 7:59:51 GMT -6
You mean like saying it’s bullshit when Dusty pulls them out of a game? And did they dump him? No. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 24, 2022 8:03:45 GMT -6
Solomon with a good outing for Sugarland today. 5 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K. Active rosters have to be reduced from 28 to 26 on May 1. I would like to see Baez dumped, Abreu and Blanco sent down and Solomon brought up. Then remove Odorizzi from the rotation and replace him with Javier. Let Solomon take over Javier’s role in the bullpen and exile Odorizzi to the farthest end of the bullpen pecking order. TBH I would just cut both Baez and Odorizzi. Odor's value is not likely to rebound much and I just don't see the use in continuing to use a roster spot on him. Much rather keep Blanco on the roster than Odor. Both Odorizzi and Baez would easily pass waivers. Considering the money they're owed this year (and next) there isn't a GM in baseball who would think "Ooooh, gotta get me some o' that!" But what happens after they clear? Baez would probably agree to go to the minors. But even if he doesn't, there isn't too much of a bomb waiting next year. $2MM buyout and virtually no chance of him reaching the threshold for a bump. Odorizzi could present a larger liability if he hooks up with another team that keeps him in the bigs. $3.25MM buyout as the base but that goes up if he reaches certain performance thresholds. Not a snowball's chance in hell he gets a CY, WS MVP, or any other award. But if a non-contender picks him up, the buyout could bump up a couple million for games started and innings pitched. It's not that embarrassing for the Astros to pay him to wear another team's uniform if he continues to suck. But if he gets himself right and is a usable starter, then Click would look like a fool. I reckon olpapa is right about Jake. He'll be exiled to mop-up duty in the pen. Either he shows signs of life and eventually returns to the rotation or he'll be dumped later in the season. JMO YMMV |
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2022 8:06:04 GMT -6
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 24, 2022 8:11:55 GMT -6
Yea Lee will be here either in September or early next year for sure. My question as we speak Do we sign Micheal Conforto and rotate that OF out alot more to save on Injury and Possibly Make it when Meyers gets back we can trade Either Siri or MCCORMICK for some Pitching help? Odi looks very bad out there. But this UMP has a bad zone. And Joey Gallo is batting .136 Being lusted after by VooDoo seems to be the kiss of death.  |
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Post by olpapa on Apr 24, 2022 10:18:46 GMT -6
TBH I would just cut both Baez and Odorizzi. Odor's value is not likely to rebound much and I just don't see the use in continuing to use a roster spot on him. Much rather keep Blanco on the roster than Odor. Both Odorizzi and Baez would easily pass waivers. Considering the money they're owed this year (and next) there isn't a GM in baseball who would think "Ooooh, gotta get me some o' that!" But what happens after they clear? Baez would probably agree to go to the minors. But even if he doesn't, there isn't too much of a bomb waiting next year. $2MM buyout and virtually no chance of him reaching the threshold for a bump. Odorizzi could present a larger liability if he hooks up with another team that keeps him in the bigs. $3.25MM buyout as the base but that goes up if he reaches certain performance thresholds. Not a snowball's chance in hell he gets a CY, WS MVP, or any other award. But if a non-contender picks him up, the buyout could bump up a couple million for games started and innings pitched. It's not that embarrassing for the Astros to pay him to wear another team's uniform if he continues to suck. But if he gets himself right and is a usable starter, then Click would look like a fool. I reckon olpapa is right about Jake. He'll be exiled to mop-up duty in the pen. Either he shows signs of life and eventually returns to the rotation or he'll be dumped later in the season. JMO YMMV You are correct sir. If I understand correctly, should the Astros just dump Odorizzi at any point this season and another team pick him up, the team that picks him up would only be responsible for paying him a prorated amount of the league minimum for the rest of the season. The Astros would have to pay the rest of his contract. I assume this would extend to paying him any bonuses he should quality for. Odorizzi’s contract contains these bonuses for 2022: “2022 performance bonuses: $500,000 for 100 innings pitched. $1M each for 110, 120, 130, 140, 150 IP. $1.25M for 160 IP.” If we cut him now and he signs with another team, that other team would have no incentive for controlling his innings pitched in order to keep him from qualifying for a bonus. Astros should just exile him to occasional mop up duty for the rest of the season, then pay him his $3.25 million buy out in the offseason and chalk it up to experience. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2022 13:18:23 GMT -6
I like Chas, and I know they think they see something in Meyers....but I can't help but feel like we could really use Straw.
Since leaving us:
.287 AVG .369 OBP (109 OPS+) 17/18 SB and great defense. Oh, and he told Yankee fans to basically s*ck his d*ck.
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 24, 2022 16:38:32 GMT -6
I like Chas, and I know they think they see something in Meyers....but I can't help but feel like we could really use Straw. Since leaving us: .287 AVG .369 OBP (109 OPS+) 17/18 SB and great defense. Oh, and he told Yankee fans to basically s*ck his d*ck. If Chas ends up being a better hitter, Meyers can still be a defensive replacement. Of course, Straw became a stolen base threat AFTER he left. This team has something against the run game. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 24, 2022 16:58:50 GMT -6
You are correct sir. If I understand correctly, should the Astros just dump Odorizzi at any point this season and another team pick him up, the team that picks him up would only be responsible for paying him a prorated amount of the league minimum for the rest of the season. The Astros would have to pay the rest of his contract. I assume this would extend to paying him any bonuses he should quality for. Odorizzi’s contract contains these bonuses for 2022: “2022 performance bonuses: $500,000 for 100 innings pitched. $1M each for 110, 120, 130, 140, 150 IP. $1.25M for 160 IP.” If we cut him now and he signs with another team, that other team would have no incentive for controlling his innings pitched in order to keep him from qualifying for a bonus. Astros should just exile him to occasional mop up duty for the rest of the season, then pay him his $3.25 million buy out in the offseason and chalk it up to experience. You're right about what the team who signs him would pay. But that's after he clears waivers. If a team claims him on their turn during waivers, they inherit all liability for his contract. Just like they would if he was traded. And regardless of what VooDoo would like us to believe, NO team wants any part of that. But I don't think he remains in exile for the entire season. If he continues to suck, he could be jettisoned at the trade deadline if we need the roster spot. He won't be able to accrue enough starts and innings to get to bonusland. |
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Post by m240 on Apr 24, 2022 18:33:52 GMT -6
I like Chas, and I know they think they see something in Meyers....but I can't help but feel like we could really use Straw. Since leaving us: .287 AVG .369 OBP (109 OPS+) 17/18 SB and great defense. Oh, and he told Yankee fans to basically s*ck his d*ck. If Chas ends up being a better hitter, Meyers can still be a defensive replacement. Of course, Straw became a stolen base threat AFTER he left. This team has something against the run game. I just do not understand their dislike for stolen bases. Somebody in the analytics department must be a disciple of common core math. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 24, 2022 18:44:09 GMT -6
I like Chas, and I know they think they see something in Meyers....but I can't help but feel like we could really use Straw. Since leaving us: .287 AVG .369 OBP (109 OPS+) 17/18 SB and great defense. Oh, and he told Yankee fans to basically s*ck his d*ck. I like Maton, but I didn't like that trade at the time and still don't now. An everyday 3 win CF is a lot more valuable than a 7th inning reliever. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 24, 2022 18:47:10 GMT -6
If Chas ends up being a better hitter, Meyers can still be a defensive replacement. Of course, Straw became a stolen base threat AFTER he left. This team has something against the run game. I just do not understand their dislike for stolen bases. Somebody in the analytics department must be a disciple of common core math. No one dislikes stolen bases. But the numbers have been crunched and if you're not close to 80% successful then you're costing your team more runs than you're creating. And catchers keep getting better and stronger on the whole. It's harder to steal bases now and teams better realize how damaging it is to get caught. Until they do something to make the success rate go up (shortening the basepaths or whatever) you won't see base-stealing come back. That's one area where I really would be in favor of fiddling with the rules, because base stealing is one of the best parts of baseball. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2022 20:05:36 GMT -6
I like Chas, and I know they think they see something in Meyers....but I can't help but feel like we could really use Straw. Since leaving us: .287 AVG .369 OBP (109 OPS+) 17/18 SB and great defense. Oh, and he told Yankee fans to basically s*ck his d*ck. I like Maton, but I didn't like that trade at the time and still don't now. An everyday 3 win CF is a lot more valuable than a 7th inning reliever. I think last trade deadline was kind of like the Greinke. They sort of went all in on filling a spot and gave up too much. For Greinke it was a lot of guys for Greinke. Last year it was a lot of guys for relievers in general. |
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Post by m240 on Apr 24, 2022 21:05:08 GMT -6
I just do not understand their dislike for stolen bases. Somebody in the analytics department must be a disciple of common core math. No one dislikes stolen bases. But the numbers have been crunched and if you're not close to 80% successful then you're costing your team more runs than you're creating. And catchers keep getting better and stronger on the whole. It's harder to steal bases now and teams better realize how damaging it is to get caught. Until they do something to make the success rate go up (shortening the basepaths or whatever) you won't see base-stealing come back. That's one area where I really would be in favor of fiddling with the rules, because base stealing is one of the best parts of baseball. I have heard 63-69% as being equilibrium but that was years ago. I have never heard of anyone putting forth 80% before and having data sets to back it up. That would be interesting trying to get to a real number there. |
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Post by m240 on Apr 24, 2022 21:08:18 GMT -6
Having said that Straw is running at about 94.4%. He has always put up good numbers and yet Houston tried to change his swing and his approach for a couple years in the high minors. Never understood it actually.
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 24, 2022 21:10:22 GMT -6
Woof.
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 25, 2022 8:59:25 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 10:01:40 GMT -6
I just do not understand their dislike for stolen bases. Somebody in the analytics department must be a disciple of common core math. No one dislikes stolen bases. But the numbers have been crunched and if you're not close to 80% successful then you're costing your team more runs than you're creating. And catchers keep getting better and stronger on the whole. It's harder to steal bases now and teams better realize how damaging it is to get caught. Until they do something to make the success rate go up (shortening the basepaths or whatever) you won't see base-stealing come back. That's one area where I really would be in favor of fiddling with the rules, because base stealing is one of the best parts of baseball. I don’t care what the analytics say. When a dude like Straw gets on base, he needs to steal. Too often, people get too caught up in stats like they’re Brad Pitt from Moneyball. A sport can’t be broken down to just the numbers. Otherwise, you’re just operating from a script. A guy like Jeff Bagwell in today’s game would be discouraged from stealing bases because he’s not a burner. A real shame that would be. |
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