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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 10:02:52 GMT -6
Analytics don’t tell the whole story. James Harden was an NBA statistician’s wet dream. How many times has he led a team to a championship? About as many as I have.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 25, 2022 10:24:10 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 10:25:41 GMT -6
Analytics don’t tell the whole story. James Harden was an NBA statistician’s wet dream. How many times has he led a team to a championship? About as many as I have. It just has to be a balance. There used to not be enough focus on some of the analytics and now there is TOO MUCH focus on them. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 10:27:36 GMT -6
Probably not. He's a Yankee. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 10:32:03 GMT -6
Good. And not that should it matter if he continues to be horrible this year, but an interesting factoid from the article to support why I've said that Odorizzi was a solid pitcher most of the time last year: "his final 96 2/3 innings after returning from the injured list last season, he pitched to a 3.72 ERA with a 19.8% strikeout rate and a 7.7% walk rate - solid marks that generally fall in line with his career numbers." He's definitely been our worst starter the last couple years, but, when we've had mostly very good starters, that doesn't mean he's bad. They can't all be rock stars. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 12:15:28 GMT -6
Analytics don’t tell the whole story. James Harden was an NBA statistician’s wet dream. How many times has he led a team to a championship? About as many as I have. It just has to be a balance. There used to not be enough focus on some of the analytics and now there is TOO MUCH focus on them. I’m okay with balance. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 12:17:18 GMT -6
Good. And not that should it matter if he continues to be horrible this year, but an interesting factoid from the article to support why I've said that Odorizzi was a solid pitcher most of the time last year: "his final 96 2/3 innings after returning from the injured list last season, he pitched to a 3.72 ERA with a 19.8% strikeout rate and a 7.7% walk rate - solid marks that generally fall in line with his career numbers." He's definitely been our worst starter the last couple years, but, when we've had mostly very good starters, that doesn't mean he's bad. They can't all be rock stars. A starting pitcher who barely even qualifies for wins isn’t my idea of effective. He’s only had two quality starts his time here, back to back, and that’s it. Any pitcher who can’t be trusted to face a lineup a third time in a game is garbage. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 25, 2022 14:44:14 GMT -6
Good. And not that should it matter if he continues to be horrible this year, but an interesting factoid from the article to support why I've said that Odorizzi was a solid pitcher most of the time last year: "his final 96 2/3 innings after returning from the injured list last season, he pitched to a 3.72 ERA with a 19.8% strikeout rate and a 7.7% walk rate - solid marks that generally fall in line with his career numbers." He's definitely been our worst starter the last couple years, but, when we've had mostly very good starters, that doesn't mean he's bad. They can't all be rock stars. A starter pitcher who barely even qualifies for wins isn’t my idea of effective. He’s only had two quality starts his time here, back to back, and that’s it. Any pitcher who can’t be trusted to face a lineup a third time in a game is garbage. This guy is demonstrably garbage, and I don't care what his ERA is. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 15:24:15 GMT -6
A starter pitcher who barely even qualifies for wins isn’t my idea of effective. He’s only had two quality starts his time here, back to back, and that’s it. Any pitcher who can’t be trusted to face a lineup a third time in a game is garbage. This guy is demonstrably garbage, and I don't care what his ERA is. He’s especially frustrating because Lord Strom couldn’t fix him, and I’ve seen him walk on water. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 25, 2022 15:24:33 GMT -6
But not moving Jake-0 out of the rotation. (Not yet, anyway.) |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 15:26:16 GMT -6
Good. And not that should it matter if he continues to be horrible this year, but an interesting factoid from the article to support why I've said that Odorizzi was a solid pitcher most of the time last year: "his final 96 2/3 innings after returning from the injured list last season, he pitched to a 3.72 ERA with a 19.8% strikeout rate and a 7.7% walk rate - solid marks that generally fall in line with his career numbers." He's definitely been our worst starter the last couple years, but, when we've had mostly very good starters, that doesn't mean he's bad. They can't all be rock stars. A starter pitcher who barely even qualifies for wins isn’t my idea of effective. He’s only had two quality starts his time here, back to back, and that’s it. Any pitcher who can’t be trusted to face a lineup a third time in a game is garbage. There is a reason why he's only getting paid over two years what Lance makes in one. He's a back end of the rotation starter on a good team, and he was mostly solid for us last year after he came back from the IL for about 20 starts. Interestingly, he is starting off almost identical to how he did last year thru his first three starts. 0-2 10.13 ERA in 8 IP to 0-2 9.00 ERA in 9 IP Hopefully he can turn it around the way he did then, where he came back and gave us 20 decent starts. And it's just my opinion, but there were multiple times last year where I think he could have gone another inning or more but they were too scared to push him after the IL stint. In any case, it's a moot point if he doesn't get going soon. I think this "6-man rotation" is the final straw for him as a starter. If he doesn't get it together during this stretch I'm sure he'll get moved to the bullpen. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 15:28:30 GMT -6
Just for opinions, is this batting line garbage? .284/.352/.433
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 25, 2022 15:34:42 GMT -6
It's hilarious how Saint always browbeats actual valuable players like Framber or Urquidy (or Altuve...) but will stop at nothing to back a f***ing loser like Odorizzi. Heh. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 15:40:46 GMT -6
It's hilarious how Saint always browbeats actual valuable players like Framber or Urquidy (or Altuve...) but will stop at nothing to back a f***ing loser like Odorizzi. Heh. When have I ever complained about Framber or Urquidy? Altuve, that's fair. But that's only because he is currently who I live thru vicariously baseball-wise and I don't want him to lose his HoF pace. I used to be the same way about Bagwell when he was active. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 25, 2022 15:43:35 GMT -6
When have I ever complained about Framber or Urquidy? Daily? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 25, 2022 16:26:35 GMT -6
Just for opinions, is this batting line garbage? .284/.352/.433 Not garbage. Whether to consider that good or just mediocre, you need to add context. What year, what home park, what position does he play. In general, if your shortstop or catcher is hitting like that, pretty good. If that's your 1B or DH, expect more. A lot more. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 25, 2022 17:48:07 GMT -6
This guy is demonstrably garbage, and I don't care what his ERA is. He’s especially frustrating because Lord Strom couldn’t fix him, and I’ve seen him walk on water. D-backs pitching staff in 2021: 5.15 ERA (29th of 30 teams) D-backs pitching staff in 2022 so far: 3.36 (11th of 30 teams) |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 17:55:16 GMT -6
He’s especially frustrating because Lord Strom couldn’t fix him, and I’ve seen him walk on water. D-backs pitching staff in 2021: 5.15 ERA (29th of 30 teams) D-backs pitching staff in 2022 so far: 3.36 (11th of 30 teams) Framber 2021: Lack of control. Framber 2022: Lack of control. Odorizzi 2021: Sucked. Odorizzi 2022: Sucks. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 25, 2022 18:00:26 GMT -6
D-backs pitching staff in 2021: 5.15 ERA (29th of 30 teams) D-backs pitching staff in 2022 so far: 3.36 (11th of 30 teams) Framber 2021: Lack of control. Framber 2022: Lack of control. Odorizzi 2021: Sucked. Odorizzi 2022: Sucks. I think Framber is pretty good..... Odorizzi, seemed like a smart signing at that time, but now he is a huge liability/waste of a roster space. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 18:04:07 GMT -6
Framber 2021: Lack of control. Framber 2022: Lack of control. Odorizzi 2021: Sucked. Odorizzi 2022: Sucks. I think Framber is pretty good..... Odorizzi, seemed like a smart signing at that time, but now he is a huge liability/waste of a roster space. He’s been a piece of crap here, and that includes time worked with Strom. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 25, 2022 18:04:17 GMT -6
He’s especially frustrating because Lord Strom couldn’t fix him, and I’ve seen him walk on water. D-backs pitching staff in 2021: 5.15 ERA (29th of 30 teams) D-backs pitching staff in 2022 so far: 3.36 (11th of 30 teams) Josh James Roberto Osuna Enoli Perez Brad Peacock Cionel Perez Brooks Raley Andre Scrubb Chris Devinski Ken Giles Wade Miley Will Harris Reymin Guduan Joe Biagini |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 18:23:48 GMT -6
When have I ever complained about Framber or Urquidy? Daily? You got the wrong poster. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 18:24:18 GMT -6
Just for opinions, is this batting line garbage? .284/.352/.433 Not garbage. Whether to consider that good or just mediocre, you need to add context. What year, what home park, what position does he play. In general, if your shortstop or catcher is hitting like that, pretty good. If that's your 1B or DH, expect more. A lot more. So it's at least mediocre to you, right? |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 18:25:50 GMT -6
Framber has been a very good pitcher the last two years, what are y'all talking about?
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 19:03:01 GMT -6
Framber has been a very good pitcher the last two years, what are y'all talking about? No one said he wasn’t good. He just sometimes can’t throw a strike to save his life. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 19:07:02 GMT -6
Framber has been a very good pitcher the last two years, what are y'all talking about? No one said he wasn’t good. He just sometimes can’t throw a strike to save his life. Neither could Nolan Ryan, who cares? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 19:14:01 GMT -6
No one said he wasn’t good. He just sometimes can’t throw a strike to save his life. Neither could Nolan Ryan, who cares? Are you honestly comparing the two? |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 19:17:22 GMT -6
Neither could Nolan Ryan, who cares? Are you honestly comparing the two? I'm saying that a little bit of wildness now and then isn't always a bad thing. Although interestingly, over their first four seasons Framber has far superior ERA+ and walk rates. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 19:19:18 GMT -6
Are you honestly comparing the two? I'm saying that a little bit of wildness now and then isn't always a bad thing. There’s a difference in throwing 100 mph near a batter’s face and bouncing a curveball. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 19:20:20 GMT -6
I'm saying that a little bit of wildness now and then isn't always a bad thing. There’s a difference in throwing 100 mph near a batter’s face and bouncing a curveball. Command is command. |
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