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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 19:22:59 GMT -6
There’s a difference in throwing 100 mph near a batter’s face and bouncing a curveball. Command is command. LOL okay |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 19:25:29 GMT -6
And for the record, Framber's career has started better than Nolan's. I'm not saying Framber will be a HoFer, but his overall performance has been good. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 19:29:49 GMT -6
And for the record, Framber's career has started better than Nolan's. I'm not saying Framber will be a HoFer, but his overall performance has been good. Still a bad comp. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 19:30:31 GMT -6
And for the record, Framber's career has started better than Nolan's. I'm not saying Framber will be a HoFer, but his overall performance has been good. Still a bad comp. The point is relevant, hater. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 25, 2022 20:16:45 GMT -6
Not garbage. Whether to consider that good or just mediocre, you need to add context. What year, what home park, what position does he play. In general, if your shortstop or catcher is hitting like that, pretty good. If that's your 1B or DH, expect more. A lot more. So it's at least mediocre to you, right? As I said, it depends on the home park, year, etc. Here's a player who has exactly that slashline over an 18 year career. It averages out to year and park-corrected 104 OPS+ which is slightly above league average. www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/damonjo01.shtml |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 20:19:06 GMT -6
So it's at least mediocre to you, right? As I said, it depends on the home park, year, etc. Here's a player who has exactly that slashline over an 18 year career. It averages out to year and park-corrected 104 OPS+ which is slightly above league average. www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/damonjo01.shtmlThat's who I got the line from. The point is that his line comes out to a slightly better than average 104 OPS+. So if we think that is at least mediocre production at worst, wouldn't a 104 ERA+ be considered at least mediocre as well? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 25, 2022 20:34:50 GMT -6
As I said, it depends on the home park, year, etc. Here's a player who has exactly that slashline over an 18 year career. It averages out to year and park-corrected 104 OPS+ which is slightly above league average. www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/damonjo01.shtmlThat's who I got the line from. The point is that his line comes out to a slightly better than average 104 OPS+. So if we think that is at least mediocre production at worst, wouldn't a 104 ERA+ be considered at least mediocre as well? Again, consider the defensive position and how good of a defender. For a Shortstop or Catcher who's a plus defender, I'd consider that quite good! For a DH, not good enough at all. Ozzie Smith is a HoF Shortstop. He had a career OPS+ of 87 but he isn't in the hall for his bat. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2022 20:46:16 GMT -6
That's who I got the line from. The point is that his line comes out to a slightly better than average 104 OPS+. So if we think that is at least mediocre production at worst, wouldn't a 104 ERA+ be considered at least mediocre as well? Again, consider the defensive position and how good of a defender. For a Shortstop or Catcher who's a plus defender, I'd consider that quite good! For a DH, not good enough at all. Ozzie Smith is a HoF Shortstop. He had a career OPS+ of 87 but he isn't in the hall for his bat. You're over thinking it. Just from an offensive standpoint in general, is a 104 OPS+ bad? Garbage? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 25, 2022 22:05:54 GMT -6
That's who I got the line from. The point is that his line comes out to a slightly better than average 104 OPS+. So if we think that is at least mediocre production at worst, wouldn't a 104 ERA+ be considered at least mediocre as well? Again, consider the defensive position and how good of a defender. For a Shortstop or Catcher who's a plus defender, I'd consider that quite good! For a DH, not good enough at all. Ozzie Smith is a HoF Shortstop. He had a career OPS+ of 87 but he isn't in the hall for his bat. In case you missed it, Saint is trying to get you to agree that Odorizzi is superduper fantabulous. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 25, 2022 22:39:25 GMT -6
D-backs pitching staff in 2021: 5.15 ERA (29th of 30 teams) D-backs pitching staff in 2022 so far: 3.36 (11th of 30 teams) Josh James Roberto Osuna Enoli Perez Brad Peacock Cionel Perez Brooks Raley Andre Scrubb Chris Devinski Ken Giles Wade Miley Will Harris Reymin Guduan Joe Biagini Wait, Harris and Osuna were both good, and Raley as well aside from some bad luck stretches. But that aside I don't think anyone is saying Strom is perfect or that no one ever failed. He's clearly excellent at what he does though, so all the snark he seems to get around here is puzzling. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 25, 2022 22:39:47 GMT -6
You're over thinking it. Just from an offensive standpoint in general, is a 104 OPS+ bad? Garbage? No, you're underthinking it. Stop being so argumentative and obtuse. I already told you what is was compared to all hitters regardless of position. By definition, 100 OPS+ is EXACTLY league average. And that has a built-in correction for park-factor and the particular year. 104 is slightly above that. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Apr 25, 2022 22:40:48 GMT -6
Again, consider the defensive position and how good of a defender. For a Shortstop or Catcher who's a plus defender, I'd consider that quite good! For a DH, not good enough at all. Ozzie Smith is a HoF Shortstop. He had a career OPS+ of 87 but he isn't in the hall for his bat. You're over thinking it. Just from an offensive standpoint in general, is a 104 OPS+ bad? Garbage? It's 4% better than league average. So not bad or garbage, but nothing to write home about either. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 25, 2022 22:45:35 GMT -6
Josh James Roberto Osuna Enoli Perez Brad Peacock Cionel Perez Brooks Raley Andre Scrubb Chris Devinski Ken Giles Wade Miley Will Harris Reymin Guduan Joe Biagini Wait, Harris and Osuna were both good, and Raley as well aside from some bad luck stretches. But that aside I don't think anyone is saying Strom is perfect or that no one ever failed. He's clearly excellent at what he does though, so all the snark he seems to get around here is puzzling. You don’t get that Strom receives all the praise in the world for good pitching and is casted no aspersions for bad pitching? The man is treated like a god. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 25, 2022 22:54:17 GMT -6
Wait, Harris and Osuna were both good, and Raley as well aside from some bad luck stretches. But that aside I don't think anyone is saying Strom is perfect or that no one ever failed. He's clearly excellent at what he does though, so all the snark he seems to get around here is puzzling. You don’t get that Strom receives all the praise in the world for good pitching and is casted no aspersions for bad pitching? The man is treated like a god. This exactly |
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Post by Saint on Apr 26, 2022 5:43:12 GMT -6
You're over thinking it. Just from an offensive standpoint in general, is a 104 OPS+ bad? Garbage? No, you're underthinking it. Stop being so argumentative and obtuse. I already told you what is was compared to all hitters regardless of position. By definition, 100 OPS+ is EXACTLY league average. And that has a built-in correction for park-factor and the particular year. 104 is slightly above that. Slightly above average. Thank you. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 26, 2022 5:43:48 GMT -6
You're over thinking it. Just from an offensive standpoint in general, is a 104 OPS+ bad? Garbage? It's 4% better than league average. So not bad or garbage, but nothing to write home about either. Right. But they can't all be great players. Some are going to have to be average. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 26, 2022 7:56:43 GMT -6
Wait, Harris and Osuna were both good, and Raley as well aside from some bad luck stretches. But that aside I don't think anyone is saying Strom is perfect or that no one ever failed. He's clearly excellent at what he does though, so all the snark he seems to get around here is puzzling. You don’t get that Strom receives all the praise in the world for good pitching and is casted no aspersions for bad pitching? The man is treated like a god. Ignore the elephant in the room! Wizard! Wizard! |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 26, 2022 7:58:01 GMT -6
No, you're underthinking it. Stop being so argumentative and obtuse. I already told you what is was compared to all hitters regardless of position. By definition, 100 OPS+ is EXACTLY league average. And that has a built-in correction for park-factor and the particular year. 104 is slightly above that. Slightly above average. Thank you. Average sucks. Odor sucks. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 26, 2022 8:37:38 GMT -6
Slightly above average. Thank you. Average sucks. Odor sucks. Average sucks compared to above-average, but they can't all be above-average. All this being said, I hope he ends up in the bullpen when Lance gets back if not earlier. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 26, 2022 8:58:59 GMT -6
Average sucks. Odor sucks. Average sucks compared to above-average, but they can't all be above-average. All this being said, I hope he ends up in the bullpen when Lance gets back if not earlier. Tonight should make or break him. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 26, 2022 9:07:48 GMT -6
Average sucks compared to above-average, but they can't all be above-average. All this being said, I hope he ends up in the bullpen when Lance gets back if not earlier. Tonight should make or break him. Maybe. They're in a rough stretch right now to be giving up on pitchers. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 26, 2022 9:19:13 GMT -6
Average sucks compared to above-average, but they can't all be above-average. All this being said, I hope he ends up in the bullpen when Lance gets back if not earlier. Tonight should make or break him. Unfortunately, no. With 33 games in 34 days, teams will continue to hit him like a piñata except there are no blindfolds. |
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Post by olpapa on Apr 26, 2022 10:26:42 GMT -6
Tonight should make or break him. Unfortunately, no. With 33 games in 34 days, teams will continue to hit him like a piñata except there are no blindfolds. ***** |
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Post by Saint on Apr 26, 2022 14:18:02 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 26, 2022 14:49:24 GMT -6
I’m sure that explains about 95% of us fans. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 26, 2022 15:16:34 GMT -6
Baez DFA and Seth Martinez called up
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Post by Saint on Apr 26, 2022 15:24:05 GMT -6
That's a good move. Although I'd like to see more of Solomon.
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Post by Saint on Apr 26, 2022 15:31:08 GMT -6
What a flop Baez was. A $14.5 million dollar bust. I'm trying to think of the last costly free agent flop we had.
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Post by Saint on Apr 26, 2022 15:36:28 GMT -6
So the Yankee letter was released but all it really did was confirm what we knew already. They were doing the same thing as the Astros basically but only when they had a runner on second base. They supposedly stopped when Manfred told everyone to knock it off in 2017.
I believe we can safely assume what we had already discussed. That Beltran brought it from NY and expanded the usage with Cora. Most of the players supported it, not thinking it was much different from what was already happening across baseball.
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 26, 2022 16:03:53 GMT -6
What a flop Baez was. A $14.5 million dollar bust. I'm trying to think of the last costly free agent flop we had. |
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