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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 28, 2022 10:40:13 GMT -6
The scary thing to me is Nathangarza has been very low key this trade deadline compared to previous seasons.
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Post by Saint on Jul 28, 2022 12:19:28 GMT -6
As much as I'd love improvement at C or 1B, I don't see how they trade for one of those positions without pissing off the clubhouse (especially if you're trading one of the young pitchers to do so, which would also hurt team chemistry). The more I read and think about it, the more I feel like the only position they can add to that would be worth disrupting the clubhouse would be for CF. I just don't see them benching Maldonado or Yuli. Yuli’s production disrupts the lineup enough. I think a fair compromise would be to have Bell as an OF. They simply need more power than what they’re getting from Gurriel. At this point, why would any team pitch to Yordan? I don't disagree, but you also don't want the players thinking that the FO is going to give up after them after a bad partial season. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 28, 2022 12:24:18 GMT -6
What would the Sox want in return for JD Martinez?
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 28, 2022 12:40:54 GMT -6
Would Ruiz really be that expensive?
Urquidy, Lee, Dubin and Siri
For
Bell, Finnegan and Ruiz...
If that were to happen, would there any moves still to be made?
How about
Bielak and Solomon for Chafin?
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 28, 2022 12:46:37 GMT -6
Would Ruiz really be that expensive? Urquidy, Lee, Dubin and Siri For Bell, Finnegan and Ruiz... If that were to happen, would there any moves still to be made? How about Bielak and Solomon for Chafin? Ruiz would be expensive, but we could make it work. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 28, 2022 12:50:00 GMT -6
Would Ruiz really be that expensive? Urquidy, Lee, Dubin and Siri For Bell, Finnegan and Ruiz... If that were to happen, would there any moves still to be made? How about Bielak and Solomon for Chafin? Yes, Ruiz would be that expensive. There is not one chance that trade you proposed happens, unless Washington loses their minds. Ruiz was the 19th overall prospect ranked. Not of one team, of ALL prospects. And he's a catcher. I think you're way underestimating what he would cost, if they were going to move him (they almost certainly have no interest in doing so in thie first place). I think he by himself would easily cost Urquidy and Lee, and they probably wouldn't even do that. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 28, 2022 12:53:27 GMT -6
Would Ruiz really be that expensive? Urquidy, Lee, Dubin and Siri For Bell, Finnegan and Ruiz... If that were to happen, would there any moves still to be made? How about Bielak and Solomon for Chafin? Yes, Ruiz would be that expensive. There is not one chance that trade you proposed happens, unless Washington loses their minds. Ruiz was the 19th overall prospect ranked. Not of one team, of ALL prospects. And he's a catcher. I think you're way underestimating what he would cost, if they were going to move him (they almost certainly have no interest in doing so in thie first place). I think he by himself would easily cost Urquidy and Lee, and they probably wouldn't even do that. I agree 100%. But I would rather overpay for Ruiz than Contreras. Murphy is also someone I would love to have. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 28, 2022 13:03:38 GMT -6
Would Ruiz really be that expensive? Urquidy, Lee, Dubin and Siri For Bell, Finnegan and Ruiz... If that were to happen, would there any moves still to be made? How about Bielak and Solomon for Chafin? Yes, Ruiz would be that expensive. There is not one chance that trade you proposed happens, unless Washington loses their minds. Ruiz was the 19th overall prospect ranked. Not of one team, of ALL prospects. And he's a catcher. I think you're way underestimating what he would cost, if they were going to move him (they almost certainly have no interest in doing so in thie first place). I think he by himself would easily cost Urquidy and Lee, and they probably wouldn't even do that. So what do you think the Astros would have to offer to get Bell and Ruiz? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 28, 2022 13:19:30 GMT -6
Yuli’s production disrupts the lineup enough. I think a fair compromise would be to have Bell as an OF. They simply need more power than what they’re getting from Gurriel. At this point, why would any team pitch to Yordan? I don't disagree, but you also don't want the players thinking that the FO is going to give up after them after a bad partial season. Yuli’s age sets him apart. His power has fallen off a cliff. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 28, 2022 13:23:58 GMT -6
Yes, Ruiz would be that expensive. There is not one chance that trade you proposed happens, unless Washington loses their minds. Ruiz was the 19th overall prospect ranked. Not of one team, of ALL prospects. And he's a catcher. I think you're way underestimating what he would cost, if they were going to move him (they almost certainly have no interest in doing so in thie first place). I think he by himself would easily cost Urquidy and Lee, and they probably wouldn't even do that. So what do you think the Astros would have to offer to get Bell and Ruiz? Garcia and Lee might do it. If they just want prospects I doubt we can make it happen. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 28, 2022 13:27:37 GMT -6
Yes, Ruiz would be that expensive. There is not one chance that trade you proposed happens, unless Washington loses their minds. Ruiz was the 19th overall prospect ranked. Not of one team, of ALL prospects. And he's a catcher. I think you're way underestimating what he would cost, if they were going to move him (they almost certainly have no interest in doing so in thie first place). I think he by himself would easily cost Urquidy and Lee, and they probably wouldn't even do that. I agree 100%. But I would rather overpay for Ruiz than Contreras. Murphy is also someone I would love to have. Love Murphy, terrified of sending our prospects to Oakland again. Watching Ian Happ and Contreras hug each other in the dugout has me thinking though. Trade for both? Happ is a LF, but he's also played multiple infield positions, including 1B. He can play a lot of LF until Brantley gets back, 1B when he does if Yuli is still not hitting, he can fill in at 2B, 3B, LF, and even CF as well. Switch hitter with another year of control after this one. Maybe keeping them together would also help make Contreras resigning more likely. Cubs are getting rid of them because they don't have much contract control, but they have enough MLB pieces that maybe they don't want just prospects. Maybe Urquidy, Siri and a decent pitching prospect could get the job done. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 28, 2022 14:03:40 GMT -6
If your trying to get Ruiz and Bell it's gonna be alot
Urquidy Brown Lee and Leon
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Post by Saint on Jul 28, 2022 14:24:13 GMT -6
I still say Mancini makes a lot of sense. He isn't getting the attention a lot of the others are getting so he'd likely be a little easier/cheaper to get. He would be a clear upgrade at 1B or you could put him a corner OF spot and move Tucker to CF. Or he could DH. If you only want him as a rental, you only pay $250K to buy him out and move on next year. If you like him and can convince him to stay another year, he isn't that much more than what you're paying Yuli.
He gives you a lot of flexibility in the lineup and helps with depth, which is what we need. He's also hitting righties really well, so he'd work great in a platoon with Chas.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 28, 2022 14:34:01 GMT -6
Yanks getting stronger and the Astros are still mulling about. We may have the old Yanks number but they are changing that/
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 28, 2022 14:41:14 GMT -6
Yanks getting stronger and the Astros are still mulling about. We may have the old Yanks number but they are changing that/ Yeah, I could be wrong, but I think Benintendi hits pretty well against the Astros. Plus, he has a history of robbing hits from us in the OF. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 28, 2022 14:42:04 GMT -6
Ryan Clifford signed with Astros 1.3 m
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Post by Saint on Jul 28, 2022 14:43:25 GMT -6
I may get proven wrong, but I don't think Benintendi improves them that much.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 28, 2022 14:46:29 GMT -6
I may get proven wrong, but I don't think Benintendi improves them that much. Then what you are saying is that he wouldn't help improved the Astros either as I thought he would have help in the Left field from earlier in this thread. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 28, 2022 14:49:28 GMT -6
I still say Mancini makes a lot of sense. He isn't getting the attention a lot of the others are getting so he'd likely be a little easier/cheaper to get. He would be a clear upgrade at 1B or you could put him a corner OF spot and move Tucker to CF. Or he could DH. If you only want him as a rental, you only pay $250K to buy him out and move on next year. If you like him and can convince him to stay another year, he isn't that much more than what you're paying Yuli. He gives you a lot of flexibility in the lineup and helps with depth, which is what we need. He's also hitting righties really well, so he'd work great in a platoon with Chas. I'm skeptical the O's will sell. They're actual wild card contenders this year after how many years in the toilet? The city might riot if they sold anyone off when they finally have some light at the end of the tunnel. Would ownership let it happen? But yeah Mancini would certainly be a good fit. My qualm with him is that I don't see him as enough of an upgrade to be worth it. I mean, looking at his numbers, does he really move the needle much for us? If we're going to get someone, either a great rental (Bell) or a longer-term good improvement (Walker) seems better than a very marginal upgrade for the rest of this season only. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 28, 2022 15:06:37 GMT -6
I still say Mancini makes a lot of sense. He isn't getting the attention a lot of the others are getting so he'd likely be a little easier/cheaper to get. He would be a clear upgrade at 1B or you could put him a corner OF spot and move Tucker to CF. Or he could DH. If you only want him as a rental, you only pay $250K to buy him out and move on next year. If you like him and can convince him to stay another year, he isn't that much more than what you're paying Yuli. He gives you a lot of flexibility in the lineup and helps with depth, which is what we need. He's also hitting righties really well, so he'd work great in a platoon with Chas. I'm skeptical the O's will sell. They're actual wild card contenders this year after how many years in the toilet? The city might riot if they sold anyone off when they finally have some light at the end of the tunnel. Would ownership let it happen? But yeah Mancini would certainly be a good fit. My qualm with him is that I don't see him as enough of an upgrade to be worth it. I mean, looking at his numbers, does he really move the needle much for us? If we're going to get someone, either a great rental (Bell) or a longer-term good improvement (Walker) seems better than a very marginal upgrade for the rest of this season only. I'm skeptical on the O's MGT having sensible asking prices, if they were open to trading their players. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 28, 2022 15:07:25 GMT -6
I'm skeptical the O's will sell. They're actual wild card contenders this year after how many years in the toilet? The city might riot if they sold anyone off when they finally have some light at the end of the tunnel. Would ownership let it happen? But yeah Mancini would certainly be a good fit. My qualm with him is that I don't see him as enough of an upgrade to be worth it. I mean, looking at his numbers, does he really move the needle much for us? If we're going to get someone, either a great rental (Bell) or a longer-term good improvement (Walker) seems better than a very marginal upgrade for the rest of this season only. I'm skeptical on the O's MGT having sensible asking prices, if they were open to trading their players. They know our farm system better than anyone else. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 28, 2022 15:18:54 GMT -6
I’m skeptical of the O’s owner.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 28, 2022 16:11:24 GMT -6
The scary thing to me is Nathangarza has been very low key this trade deadline compared to previous seasons. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 28, 2022 16:13:15 GMT -6
The scary thing to me is Nathangarza has been very low key this trade deadline compared to previous seasons. Bell is the player I hope we get. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 28, 2022 16:19:06 GMT -6
It's cause Bell's being pursued by at least two other clubs. It may be a while for a deal Bell is the player I hope we get. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 28, 2022 17:06:42 GMT -6
I may get proven wrong, but I don't think Benintendi improves them that much. I actually think Benintendi would’ve helped us more than them. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 28, 2022 17:37:50 GMT -6
I may get proven wrong, but I don't think Benintendi improves them that much. I actually think Benintendi would’ve helped us more than them. I agree.... especially with the ? around Brantley. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 28, 2022 18:18:49 GMT -6
I may get proven wrong, but I don't think Benintendi improves them that much. Then what you are saying is that he wouldn't help improved the Astros either as I thought he would have help in the Left field from earlier in this thread. You're right. I don't think he would have improved us that much. Some? Probably. A lot? No. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 28, 2022 18:20:21 GMT -6
I still say Mancini makes a lot of sense. He isn't getting the attention a lot of the others are getting so he'd likely be a little easier/cheaper to get. He would be a clear upgrade at 1B or you could put him a corner OF spot and move Tucker to CF. Or he could DH. If you only want him as a rental, you only pay $250K to buy him out and move on next year. If you like him and can convince him to stay another year, he isn't that much more than what you're paying Yuli. He gives you a lot of flexibility in the lineup and helps with depth, which is what we need. He's also hitting righties really well, so he'd work great in a platoon with Chas. I'm skeptical the O's will sell. They're actual wild card contenders this year after how many years in the toilet? The city might riot if they sold anyone off when they finally have some light at the end of the tunnel. Would ownership let it happen? But yeah Mancini would certainly be a good fit. My qualm with him is that I don't see him as enough of an upgrade to be worth it. I mean, looking at his numbers, does he really move the needle much for us? If we're going to get someone, either a great rental (Bell) or a longer-term good improvement (Walker) seems better than a very marginal upgrade for the rest of this season only. I think getting that guy on a legit team would really do something for him. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 28, 2022 18:21:10 GMT -6
I may get proven wrong, but I don't think Benintendi improves them that much. I actually think Benintendi would’ve helped us more than them. Maybe. I don't think he would move the needle much. |
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