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Post by bearbryant on Jul 9, 2022 5:15:46 GMT -6
Yuli's last 15 games: .294/.345/.510 And Meyers is hitting. IMO, once Pena and Brantley are back there won't be a way to upgrade anyone outside of catcher in any meaningful way without giving up Hunter Brown. And it seems very unlikely they'll be trading for a catcher. I really, really doubt we pick up a starting-quality bat. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 9, 2022 7:57:31 GMT -6
Yuli's last 15 games: .294/.345/.510 And Meyers is hitting. IMO, once Pena and Brantley are back there won't be a way to upgrade anyone outside of catcher in any meaningful way without giving up Hunter Brown. And it seems very unlikely they'll be trading for a catcher. I really, really doubt we pick up a starting-quality bat. Brantley or Yordan at 1B may be ideal because it’s easier to upgrade in the OF than at the other spot. |
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Post by kyledriver1980 on Jul 9, 2022 8:18:40 GMT -6
I still think there's a chance they're targeting someone to cover 1B who'd be under contract for the short term since this may be Yuli's last season. Unless they're in talks with Brantley to be a stopgap there Brantley or Yordan at 1B may be ideal because it’s easier to upgrade in the OF than at the other spot. I still think they need Yordan to be able to play 1B. Less stress on his knees, and gives him the advantage of being DH, 1B and LF if necessary. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 9, 2022 8:39:01 GMT -6
Brantley or Yordan at 1B may be ideal because it’s easier to upgrade in the OF than at the other spot. I still think they need Yordan to be able to play 1B. Less stress on his knees, and gives him the advantage of being DH, 1B and LF if necessary. Yeah, I don’t want him to only be a DH like Ortiz. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 9, 2022 8:39:30 GMT -6
When McCullers is ready he will take a roster spot. Also I think that Brown will be called up for multiple inning assignments in relief. So that would give us 7 strong starters and 2 long relievers with Brown and Martinez. So something has got to give as that would mean that Maton and Neris would be the odd men out as the least effective arms and that won't and should not happen so what does.
My guess is that either Odorizzi (if he finds his groove again before the end of July), or Urquidy if he does not, and Maton are the two top trade candidates. So whichever starter it ends up being and Maton both have a pretty good amount of trade value. Odorizzi and Maton could be flipped for prospects and those prospects flipped for a bat. I know I am getting into Nathan's zone here but Click and Luhnow always seem to do things that I never consider. At the end of the day though I am reasonably sure that we end up with another bat and our bench becomes stronger. Those two things need to happen.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 9, 2022 9:28:31 GMT -6
When McCullers is ready he will take a roster spot. Also I think that Brown will be called up for multiple inning assignments in relief. So that would give us 7 strong starters and 2 long relievers with Brown and Martinez. So something has got to give as that would mean that Maton and Neris would be the odd men out as the least effective arms and that won't and should not happen so what does. My guess is that either Odorizzi (if he finds his groove again before the end of July), or Urquidy if he does not, and Maton are the two top trade candidates. So whichever starter it ends up being and Maton both have a pretty good amount of trade value. Odorizzi and Maton could be flipped for prospects and those prospects flipped for a bat. I know I am getting into Nathan's zone here but Click and Luhnow always seem to do things that I never consider. At the end of the day though I am reasonably sure that we end up with another bat and our bench becomes stronger. Those two things need to happen. I don't see them trading Maton. Neris, I have no clue on, because I don't think there's actually value for him. I could see them trading Urquidy or Odorizzi. I wish Josh Bell was not a free agent after the season. But then again, the asking cost for him will not be as high. I am hoping this is our bench after the trade deadline: Yuli, Diaz, Meyers, a catcher not named Castro. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 9, 2022 11:45:07 GMT -6
The problem with Odo is that some of y'all claim he was ever in a "groove" just because he got blind-squirrel-lucky in 2 games once in his entire tenure with the team.
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Post by m240 on Jul 9, 2022 16:21:24 GMT -6
A couple of off the radar targets that would not break the bank are Drury a utility guy plays damn near everywhere and Murphy the catcher from Oakland. The cost of Murphy would be down somewhat due to them falling in love with another catching prospect.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 9, 2022 19:38:25 GMT -6
The problem with Odo is that some of y'all claim he was ever in a "groove" just because he got blind-squirrel-lucky in 2 games once in his entire tenure with the team. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 9, 2022 22:54:25 GMT -6
The problem with Odo is that some of y'all claim he was ever in a "groove" just because he got blind-squirrel-lucky in 2 games once in his entire tenure with the team. The reason he gets hate is because he spent time after a walkoff win to bitch about Dusty pulling him from the game. He’s just a douche who’s hard to root for. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 9, 2022 22:58:38 GMT -6
Brantley or Yordan at 1B may be ideal because it’s easier to upgrade in the OF than at the other spot. I still think they need Yordan to be able to play 1B. Less stress on his knees, and gives him the advantage of being DH, 1B and LF if necessary. I feel like I remember Berkman talking about how 1B (and infield in general) is also stressful on the knees because you still have to make a lot of sudden movements, especially laterally. They were messing with him at 1B in practice a few years ago but that seems to have been abandoned. I imagine he'll still play occasional LF but I doubt that lasts for more than a few more years. There's really no reason to have him out there now that the NL finally has the DH too. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 9, 2022 23:06:55 GMT -6
When McCullers is ready he will take a roster spot. Also I think that Brown will be called up for multiple inning assignments in relief. So that would give us 7 strong starters and 2 long relievers with Brown and Martinez. So something has got to give as that would mean that Maton and Neris would be the odd men out as the least effective arms and that won't and should not happen so what does. My guess is that either Odorizzi (if he finds his groove again before the end of July), or Urquidy if he does not, and Maton are the two top trade candidates. So whichever starter it ends up being and Maton both have a pretty good amount of trade value. Odorizzi and Maton could be flipped for prospects and those prospects flipped for a bat. I know I am getting into Nathan's zone here but Click and Luhnow always seem to do things that I never consider. At the end of the day though I am reasonably sure that we end up with another bat and our bench becomes stronger. Those two things need to happen. Odorizzi wasn't really in a groove. He was getting very fortunate on balls in play and other ways. Most notably his HR/FB% is still way under normal. I'm sure they'd love to be rid of him if they could. I'm not sure Martinez sticks around. He's way over his head too (.148 BAbip, 90% strand rate) and could come back to earth at any time. He does have mop up utility though, so I don't think they NEED to get rid of him. But if another team thinks he's more legit than he is, it might be the good value move to ship him somewhere. He still has three options and isn't arbitration-eligible yet, so they could certainly just stash him in Sugar Land, too. I don't see them selling low on Maton after buying high on him, especially with his home run rate indicating he'll likely improve. Strikeout rate is oddly low so far, too. I imagine they're expecting him to return to the guy they dealt for and to be a key piece of this and next year's bullpens. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 10, 2022 6:59:03 GMT -6
When McCullers is ready he will take a roster spot. Also I think that Brown will be called up for multiple inning assignments in relief. So that would give us 7 strong starters and 2 long relievers with Brown and Martinez. So something has got to give as that would mean that Maton and Neris would be the odd men out as the least effective arms and that won't and should not happen so what does. My guess is that either Odorizzi (if he finds his groove again before the end of July), or Urquidy if he does not, and Maton are the two top trade candidates. So whichever starter it ends up being and Maton both have a pretty good amount of trade value. Odorizzi and Maton could be flipped for prospects and those prospects flipped for a bat. I know I am getting into Nathan's zone here but Click and Luhnow always seem to do things that I never consider. At the end of the day though I am reasonably sure that we end up with another bat and our bench becomes stronger. Those two things need to happen. Odorizzi wasn't really in a groove. He was getting very fortunate on balls in play and other ways. Most notably his HR/FB% is still way under normal. I'm sure they'd love to be rid of him if they could. I'm not sure Martinez sticks around. He's way over his head too (.148 BAbip, 90% strand rate) and could come back to earth at any time. He does have mop up utility though, so I don't think they NEED to get rid of him. But if another team thinks he's more legit than he is, it might be the good value move to ship him somewhere. He still has three options and isn't arbitration-eligible yet, so they could certainly just stash him in Sugar Land, too. I don't see them selling low on Maton after buying high on him, especially with his home run rate indicating he'll likely improve. Strikeout rate is oddly low so far, too. I imagine they're expecting him to return to the guy they dealt for and to be a key piece of this and next year's bullpens. I do not think that Straw for Maton and Diaz was valuing Maton high. Diaz seems to be developing quite nicely. Of course a year later it is hard to know how much value they placed on Maton and how much on Diaz. Though Diaz has always been a strong hitter. Martinez though will not keep up the pace he has set but then really no one could. I have always liked him as a prospect and though he will not keep up his current pace he brings more value to the table than Neris and Maton. Houston does not have to sell low on anyone but it is hard to argue that guys like Neris, Maton, Odorizzi, and Urquidy will all have value as trade chips. Maybe we can not make a deal for a bat with only using those guys but my preference would be to use them if possible to get the bat(s) that we need. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 10, 2022 20:29:03 GMT -6
Astros trade for Bell and Chafin before trade deadline...
Bell - Urquidy, Castro, Cash Considerations (for taking on Castro contract) and Prospect X (not top.10)
Chafin - Dubin, Bielak and prospect X not in top 10.
Bench come playoffs - Yuli, Diaz, Lee, McCormick or Siri (purely for speed an defense - can't stand the MF)
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 10, 2022 21:15:41 GMT -6
I don’t know what is wrong with Maton, but this is over half a season of inconsistency. They need to have someone take over his role.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 10, 2022 21:23:55 GMT -6
Honestly , guys I'm thinking we should jump on the Josh Bell wagon. I mean Jose Urquidy for Josh Bell and maybe a Prospect?
Js he would be a great add. Yuli moved to the Bench as a utility guy for the Infield.
I think Chaffin would be another great add for our pen. I don't know what that would look like in a trade, but it shouldn't be alot.
Another name I would look at is Lourdis Gurriel and Cavan Biggio . I understand Biggio hasn't done so well but he is very versatile in the filed and so is Gurriel.
I dont think we need to worry about C. Maybe Lee has just turned it around.
But all 4 of those guys I just named would make this team a WS favorite
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 11, 2022 0:27:16 GMT -6
I am a bit surprised that so many of you believe they're going to bench Gurriel.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 11, 2022 8:00:08 GMT -6
The problem that presents itself with benching Gurriel in the middle of a pennant chase during what may be his last season is it may jeopardize him wanting to be a part of the organization post-player. The front office may want his expertise on board at a different capacity rather than with another club
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 11, 2022 8:09:35 GMT -6
The problem that presents itself with benching Gurriel in the middle of a pennant chase during what may be his last season is it may jeopardize him wanting to be a part of the organization post-player. The front office may want his expertise on board at a different capacity rather than with another club I would not be against Yuli on the team next year, but if his 2022 trend continues, he would be a bench player. I'm sure he would still get a decent amount of starts. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 11, 2022 9:22:47 GMT -6
The problem that presents itself with benching Gurriel in the middle of a pennant chase during what may be his last season is it may jeopardize him wanting to be a part of the organization post-player. The front office may want his expertise on board at a different capacity rather than with another club Gurriel has had his time. He, Altuve, Bregman, and Correa already had the postseason record for most games played as a quartet. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 11, 2022 10:45:54 GMT -6
The problem that presents itself with benching Gurriel in the middle of a pennant chase during what may be his last season is it may jeopardize him wanting to be a part of the organization post-player. The front office may want his expertise on board at a different capacity rather than with another club Gurriel has had his time. He, Altuve, Bregman, and Correa already had the postseason record for most games played as a quartet. I think even if they Astros traded for Josh Bell, Yuli would still get a lot of playing time. And I hope the Astros would entertain him being a bench player next year. He is such a good hitter, but he is aging and maybe not playing so much, might help him dramatically. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 11, 2022 10:58:36 GMT -6
I think Yuli would stay if we got Bell he would except a bench role. He isn't no spring chicken.
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 11, 2022 11:22:39 GMT -6
I am a bit surprised that so many of you believe they're going to bench Gurriel. It's a bit odd. He's well-loved by the team, has been hitting well recently, and is cheap. Houston has no good reason to give up what few good prospects they have left to get someone else. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 11, 2022 11:46:14 GMT -6
There could be some hope for Gurriel. Over his last two weeks here is his line: .293/.356/.512 .868 OPS
It's hard to know what to expect from Yuli with his overall production. Every year he seems very different. Look at the OPS fluctuation:
2016: .677
2017: .817
2018: .751
2019: .884
2020: .658
2021: .846
2022: .677
The only thing you can really seem to count on, offensively, is that he is going to hit a good amount of doubles.
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Post by Saint on Jul 11, 2022 11:50:41 GMT -6
And for the record, I don't think they need to aim for any specific position (other than catcher which won't happen). I think they need to aim for a big bat, period. Preferably somebody that could play corner OF or 1B, but really we just need more depth with the bat of any kind.
If Diaz or Matijevic is DHing in the postseason, we have a problem.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 11, 2022 12:34:52 GMT -6
And for the record, I don't think they need to aim for any specific position (other than catcher which won't happen). I think they need to aim for a big bat, period. Preferably somebody that could play corner OF or 1B, but really we just need more depth with the bat of any kind. If Diaz or Matijevic is DHing in the postseason, we have a problem. Are you hinting at Yordan having a more severe injury? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 11, 2022 13:08:10 GMT -6
There could be some hope for Gurriel. Over his last two weeks here is his line: .293/.356/.512 .868 OPS It's hard to know what to expect from Yuli with his overall production. Every year he seems very different. Look at the OPS fluctuation: 2016: .677 2017: .817 2018: .751 2019: .884 2020: .658 2021: .846 2022: .677 The only thing you can really seem to count on, offensively, is that he is going to hit a good amount of doubles. Apparently he is an "odd" person. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 11, 2022 14:00:32 GMT -6
And for the record, I don't think they need to aim for any specific position (other than catcher which won't happen). I think they need to aim for a big bat, period. Preferably somebody that could play corner OF or 1B, but really we just need more depth with the bat of any kind. If Diaz or Matijevic is DHing in the postseason, we have a problem. Are you hinting at Yordan having a more severe injury? I don't believe at least one of this group will be healthy in the postseason: Brantley, Tucker, Yordan, Gurriel If that's the case, they're being shuffled around somehow and DH is open. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 11, 2022 14:19:14 GMT -6
There are not many good "trade" players on the table this year it seems. If we do make a trade we may have to pay well over premium. Might be better off staying with what we have.?
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 11, 2022 14:45:54 GMT -6
There are not many good "trade" players on the table this year it seems. If we do make a trade we may have to pay well over premium. Might be better off staying with what we have.? You have to ask, if price doesn't turn out to be too high, we should be wanting to improve the team. We should know which prospects that we feel have the ability to make the majors and be productive... And which ones are not as good as advertised.... Those AAAA are the ones that you trade... |
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