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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 18, 2022 19:28:14 GMT -6
They thought they were still a contender then. They know they aren't now. The other question was why did they hold onto him after Turner and Scherzer?
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2022 19:38:02 GMT -6
They thought they were still a contender then. They know they aren't now. The other question was why did they hold onto him after Turner and Scherzer? Well I'm sure they hoped to retain a very young fan favorite that they could maybe build around in the future.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 8:52:29 GMT -6
Who says nay?
Astros send McCormick + Solomon + Whitaker for Benintendi
Astros send Lee, Urquidy, Castro, Whitaker for Contreras + Robertson
Astros send Bielak + Dubin for Chafin
Astros send Enmanuel Valdez + Whitaker for Garrett Cooper
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 10:04:33 GMT -6
If the Yankees get Soto, how more of threat does that make them?
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Post by m240 on Jul 20, 2022 10:08:39 GMT -6
Who says nay? Astros send McCormick + Solomon + Whitaker for Benintendi Astros send Lee, Urquidy, Castro, Whitaker for Contreras + Robertson Astros send Bielak + Dubin for Chafin Astros send Enmanuel Valdez + Whitaker for Garrett Cooper substitute Leon for Lee and I say hell yeah. I definitely say good deal as presented.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 20, 2022 11:49:13 GMT -6
Who says nay? Astros send McCormick + Solomon + Whitaker for Benintendi Astros send Lee, Urquidy, Castro, Whitaker for Contreras + Robertson Astros send Bielak + Dubin for Chafin Astros send Enmanuel Valdez + Whitaker for Garrett Cooper You can't send Whitaker to 3 teams
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 20, 2022 12:09:18 GMT -6
After seeing the news that Brantley hasn’t progressed, it is imperative to get a bat or two here if they’re serious about holding open this championship window.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 12:11:43 GMT -6
Who says nay? Astros send McCormick + Solomon + Whitaker for Benintendi Astros send Lee, Urquidy, Castro, Whitaker for Contreras + Robertson Astros send Bielak + Dubin for Chafin Astros send Enmanuel Valdez + Whitaker for Garrett Cooper You can't send Whitaker to 3 teams Not saying all this trades would go down... Each was its own scenario
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 20, 2022 12:31:22 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 13:40:26 GMT -6
What's your reasonable Astro target wish list in order?
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 20, 2022 14:00:08 GMT -6
What's your reasonable Astro target wish list in order? 1. Benintendi 2. Bell 3. Soto
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2022 14:16:18 GMT -6
Go for Benintendi and see if you can get Barlow as well. Boom, trade season done.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 14:40:07 GMT -6
Go for Benintendi and see if you can get Barlow as well. Boom, trade season done. Not if the Yankees get Soto. Astros would need to go after Bell, Cooper or Contreras.
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2022 15:34:27 GMT -6
Go for Benintendi and see if you can get Barlow as well. Boom, trade season done. Not if the Yankees get Soto. Astros would need to go after Bell, Cooper or Contreras. We can't get a package together to afford Soto. Soto won't happen.
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 20, 2022 16:10:30 GMT -6
Who says nay? Astros send McCormick + Solomon + Whitaker for Benintendi Astros send Lee, Urquidy, Castro, Whitaker for Contreras + Robertson Astros send Bielak + Dubin for Chafin Astros send Enmanuel Valdez + Whitaker for Garrett Cooper 1. I'd say no on that. Too soon to jump ship on Whitaker for a rental. Also, if Brantley isn't hurt long-term, we have no need for an outfielder 2. Way too much. Three and a half years of Urquidy, six of Lee, and Whitaker, for a poor defensive rental catcher and a rental reliever who is old and who has an xFIP 1.5 runs higher than his ERA? Hard pass for me. 3. I would do that. I think the Tigers might want a little more though. 4. I'm on the fence there, which is probably a good indication that it would be an even trade.
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 20, 2022 16:23:43 GMT -6
Go for Benintendi and see if you can get Barlow as well. Boom, trade season done. Houston gets: Christian Walker, Joe Mantiply, David Peralta Arizona gets: Jose Urquidy, Peter Solomon, Chayce McDermott, J.J. Matijevic
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 17:01:21 GMT -6
Who says nay? Astros send McCormick + Solomon + Whitaker for Benintendi Astros send Lee, Urquidy, Castro, Whitaker for Contreras + Robertson Astros send Bielak + Dubin for Chafin Astros send Enmanuel Valdez + Whitaker for Garrett Cooper 1. I'd say no on that. Too soon to jump ship on Whitaker for a rental. Also, if Brantley isn't hurt long-term, we have no need for an outfielder 2. Way too much. Three and a half years of Urquidy, six of Lee, and Whitaker, for a poor defensive rental catcher and a rental reliever who is old and who has an xFIP 1.5 runs higher than his ERA? Hard pass for me. 3. I would do that. I think the Tigers might want a little more though. 4. I'm on the fence there, which is probably a good indication that it would be an even trade. Even if Brantley comes back: OF - Brantley, Tucker, Benintendi Bench - Myers, Diaz, begrudgingly Siri (PR + defense) and Castro or Lee
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 17:03:16 GMT -6
Go for Benintendi and see if you can get Barlow as well. Boom, trade season done. Houston gets: Christian Walker, Joe Mantiply, David Peralta Arizona gets: Jose Urquidy, Peter Solomon, Chayce McDermott, J.J. Matijevic Astros placed an emphasis on OF in this last draft. I think Whitaker could be traded, if the Astros get good value for his own draft value
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 20, 2022 17:12:37 GMT -6
I would love Soto to be an Astro but not at the cost of acquiring a second player whether that be a 1B, RP, or C.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 20, 2022 18:05:48 GMT -6
However, Soto gives this offense a much-needed shot in the arm. He can probably step up the way Bregman hasn’t the past couple of years.
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2022 18:30:03 GMT -6
Go for Benintendi and see if you can get Barlow as well. Boom, trade season done. Houston gets: Christian Walker, Joe Mantiply, David Peralta Arizona gets: Jose Urquidy, Peter Solomon, Chayce McDermott, J.J. Matijevic That sounds too good to be true though.
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Post by Saint on Jul 20, 2022 18:31:13 GMT -6
Soto is an offense-changing player for a couple years. But I just don't see how we can put a package together to get him that wouldn't absolutely destroy our already not great farm system.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 20, 2022 18:31:41 GMT -6
Houston gets: Christian Walker, Joe Mantiply, David Peralta Arizona gets: Jose Urquidy, Peter Solomon, Chayce McDermott, J.J. Matijevic That sounds too good to be true though. Am I missing something on Walker and Peralta?
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 20, 2022 18:32:37 GMT -6
Soto is an offense-changing player for a couple years. But I just don't see how we can put a package together to get him that wouldn't absolutely destroy our already not great farm system. Conversely, that’s the point. The farm sucks anyway. Just rebuild through the 2022 and future drafts.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 18:33:49 GMT -6
That sounds too good to be true though. Am I missing something on Walker? He knows karate.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 18:40:15 GMT -6
Okay, no Contreras, the towel has been thrown.
Final sights 1. Benintendi - not a good feeling on Brantley, and I don't want McCormick to be the starter. 2. Cooper - Bell is better, but Cooper is under contract through next season. Helps with the Guriel situation, a pending FA. 3. Chafin - helps fortify the bullpen, and that is needed come playoff time
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 20, 2022 18:55:54 GMT -6
Houston gets: Christian Walker, Joe Mantiply, David Peralta Arizona gets: Jose Urquidy, Peter Solomon, Chayce McDermott, J.J. Matijevic That sounds too good to be true though. We could go a little more, maybe including Leon or Perez instead of Matijevic or McDermott, but I think people might be de-valuing Urquidy a bit. He's a solid #3 on a lot of teams and has three years of control left after this season. Meanwhile the three we'd be getting all have question marks or dings against them in various ways. I think it's in the ballpark, at least.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 20, 2022 19:01:46 GMT -6
That sounds too good to be true though. We could go a little more, maybe including Leon or Perez instead of Matijevic or McDermott, but I think people might be de-valuing Urquidy a bit. He's a solid #3 on a lot of teams and has three years of control left after this season. Meanwhile the three we'd be getting all have question marks or dings against them in various ways. I think it's in the ballpark, at least. I thought you were a McDermott guy?
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 20, 2022 19:14:58 GMT -6
Okay, no Contreras, the towel has been thrown. Final sights 1. Benintendi - not a good feeling on Brantley, and I don't want McCormick to be the starter. 2. Cooper - Bell is better, but Cooper is under contract through next season. Helps with the Guriel situation, a pending FA. 3. Chafin - helps fortify the bullpen, and that is needed come playoff time I doubt they go that hard. I think Benintendi will cost more than they want to spend, and I think they like their internal options. Let's be real; if Brantley misses the rest of the regular season but can return for the playoffs, do we need to give up a lot of value for Benintendi when we're going to win the division and make the playoffs regardless of Brantley's health? I feel like they would rather roll with Chas, Yordan, and Siri out there for the rest of the regular season than make a big trade. That said, maybe a lower-cost option could be in the cards (e.g. my David Peralta suggestion). BTW Peralta, like Benintendi, is a left-handed hitter, Peralta is the better defender, and their career wRC+ are almost identical, yet Benintendi is having a career year so far and will thus cost more. But it's quite possible they end up providing similar value the rest of the season. I do think Cooper and Walker are great targets though. I feel like Cooper will cost about the same though and Walker has one more year of control than he does, so I'd prefer Walker probably.
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Post by Ashitaka on Jul 20, 2022 19:16:03 GMT -6
We could go a little more, maybe including Leon or Perez instead of Matijevic or McDermott, but I think people might be de-valuing Urquidy a bit. He's a solid #3 on a lot of teams and has three years of control left after this season. Meanwhile the three we'd be getting all have question marks or dings against them in various ways. I think it's in the ballpark, at least. I thought you were a McDermott guy? I like him, but he's probably a decent reliever long-term, or a back-end starter at best. We likely won't miss him. Which is the same thing I said about Josh Hader years ago, of course...
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