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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 14, 2022 20:24:28 GMT -6
One thing I have noticed from Leon’s stats. Cintron must be reining in Leon’s base stealing attempts. In the minor leagues it seemed like every time he got on first base he tried to steal second and, if he was successful, then he tried to steal third. IIRC this past season he stole 35 bases, but got caught attempting to steal 18 times. He has only attempted to steal 4 times in winter ball. Poor Pedro is a bust. Never say that! Vote for Pedro! |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 14, 2022 21:44:36 GMT -6
Never say that! Vote for Pedro! I hope I am wrong, but he sucks. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 17, 2022 0:45:51 GMT -6
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 19, 2022 8:08:24 GMT -6
Another one bites the dust. Another reason giving up any picks for free agents is a bad idea right now (good on them for resisting the temptation):
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2022 8:13:16 GMT -6
Another one bites the dust. Another reason giving up any picks for free agents is a bad idea right now (good on them for resisting the temptation): Ummmmm, your reasoning is prospects are crapshoot.... So we need to have more prospects instead of players that can actually help the team? |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 19, 2022 9:01:07 GMT -6
Pedro Leon winter league update:
G 28, PA 96, AB 84, H 17, 2B 2, 3B 1, HR 3, SB 3, CS 1, BB 8, K 30, BA .202, OBP .274, SLG .357, OPS .631
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2022 9:15:39 GMT -6
Pedro Leon winter league update: G 28, PA 96, AB 84, H 17, 2B 2, 3B 1, HR 3, SB 3, CS 1, BB 8, K 30, BA .202, OBP .274, SLG .357, OPS .631 Slight improvement.....I think |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2022 10:20:08 GMT -6
Another one bites the dust. Another reason giving up any picks for free agents is a bad idea right now (good on them for resisting the temptation): Had the Astros given up that pick for a free agent, then some other team would’ve released him too. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 19, 2022 10:40:59 GMT -6
Another one bites the dust. Another reason giving up any picks for free agents is a bad idea right now (good on them for resisting the temptation): Had the Astros given up that pick for a free agent, then some other team would’ve released him too. Yes. And if they had given up the pick right after him, Jeremy Pena would be on some other team and who would our shortstop be? I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp. The fact that so many picks end in bust makes having them MORE, not LESS, valuable, because long-term organizational health will always depend on having young, cheap, internal talent to replace aging veterans and departing free agents. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2022 10:44:58 GMT -6
Had the Astros given up that pick for a free agent, then some other team would’ve released him too. Yes. And if they had given up the pick right after him, Jeremy Pena would be on some other team and who would our shortstop be? I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp. The fact that so many picks end in bust makes having them MORE, not LESS, valuable, because long-term organizational health will always depend on having young, cheap, internal talent to replace aging veterans and departing free agents. Yeah, but what does Peña have to do with that particular pick? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2022 11:25:22 GMT -6
Yes. And if they had given up the pick right after him, Jeremy Pena would be on some other team and who would our shortstop be? I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp. The fact that so many picks end in bust makes having them MORE, not LESS, valuable, because long-term organizational health will always depend on having young, cheap, internal talent to replace aging veterans and departing free agents. Yeah, but what does Peña have to do with that particular pick? I think a lot of the responsibility should be on the minor league coaches and their staff, to identify which players have what it takes to make it to the majors. And which players are just going to be career minor leaguers. The ones that truly have major League potential, you try not to try trade. The ones that don't, hopefully you can identify them quickly, and trade them before possible suitors know the same. In the last 5 years, what minor league players have the Astros traded away that you're truly cringing about today, and said: It wasn't worth it. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 19, 2022 12:28:59 GMT -6
Had the Astros given up that pick for a free agent, then some other team would’ve released him too. Yes. And if they had given up the pick right after him, Jeremy Pena would be on some other team and who would our shortstop be? I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp. The fact that so many picks end in bust makes having them MORE, not LESS, valuable, because long-term organizational health will always depend on having young, cheap, internal talent to replace aging veterans and departing free agents. I once read that only 50% of the prospects on any given years top 100 that are position players end up having a notable mlb career. Pitchers are worse with only 33% getting there. So I agree, the more you have the better your chances are to have a 335 or 50% prospect. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2022 13:10:34 GMT -6
Being risk averse is not always the right policy. I was guilty of not wanting the risk of replacing Correa with Peña, which paid off. Conversely, you can’t run away from all free agents because you want to be like Thanos and hoard all the picks in the world. It’s not guaranteed that the draft picks will be better than an “expensive free agent”.
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Post by dafish on Dec 19, 2022 14:46:21 GMT -6
Yes. And if they had given up the pick right after him, Jeremy Pena would be on some other team and who would our shortstop be? I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp. The fact that so many picks end in bust makes having them MORE, not LESS, valuable, because long-term organizational health will always depend on having young, cheap, internal talent to replace aging veterans and departing free agents. Yeah, but what does Peña have to do with that particular pick? Just goes to show that prospects are a crap shoot. I can remember a time several years ago when Steinbrenner's Yankees gutted their farm system, and fully intended to man the team with FA signings. Who is to say that philosophy and strategy is flawed? Especially pre-Cap. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2022 14:49:37 GMT -6
Yeah, but what does Peña have to do with that particular pick? Just goes to show that prospects are a crap shoot. I can remember a time several years ago when Steinbrenner's Yankees gutted their farm system, and fully intended to man the team with FA signings. Who is to say that philosophy and strategy is flawed? Especially pre-Cap. I get what Ash is saying, but you can’t assume that every draft pick is precious and undeserving of loss. I’m not saying get a whole slew of free agents and undermine the draft, but one an offseason or every other offseason shouldn’t be the death of the farm. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 19, 2022 15:26:48 GMT -6
Being risk averse is not always the right policy. I was guilty of not wanting the risk of replacing Correa with Peña, which paid off. Conversely, you can’t run away from all free agents because you want to be like Thanos and hoard all the picks in the world. It’s not guaranteed that the draft picks will be better than an “expensive free agent”. You don't have to run away from all free agents. You only have to run away from the ones with qualifying offers attached to them when you're trying to rebuild a torched farm system. We signed Abreu, no need to lose a pick. We could have signed Benintendi or Conforto, no loss of pick. Could have retained JV if we wanted. Then there's the trade market. The point is that it's not a choice of either improving the MLB club or keeping your draft picks. We've won four pennants and two rings over the last six years without giving up a single pick to sign a free agent. You can improve the MLB club AND keep your picks. The Pena pick is relevant to the guy before him because it makes the point. At the time this club liked Schroeder more than Pena. They thought he had a better chance of success. They just released him from an A-ball squad and Pena is the WS MVP. You don't give up picks because you have almost no idea which ones are going to make it and which ones aren't. Again, they are like bullets; the fact that many of them miss is what makes it so important to have as many as you can. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2022 15:42:03 GMT -6
Being risk averse is not always the right policy. I was guilty of not wanting the risk of replacing Correa with Peña, which paid off. Conversely, you can’t run away from all free agents because you want to be like Thanos and hoard all the picks in the world. It’s not guaranteed that the draft picks will be better than an “expensive free agent”. You don't have to run away from all free agents. You only have to run away from the ones with qualifying offers attached to them when you're trying to rebuild a torched farm system. We signed Abreu, no need to lose a pick. We could have signed Benintendi or Conforto, no loss of pick. Could have retained JV if we wanted. Then there's the trade market. The point is that it's not a choice of either improving the MLB club or keeping your draft picks. We've won four pennants and two rings over the last six years without giving up a single pick to sign a free agent. You can improve the MLB club AND keep your picks. The Pena pick is relevant to the guy before him because it makes the point. At the time this club liked Schroeder more than Pena. They thought he had a better chance of success. They just released him from an A-ball squad and Pena is the WS MVP. You don't give up picks because you have almost no idea which ones are going to make it and which ones aren't. Again, they are like bullets; the fact that many of them miss is what makes it so important to have as many as you can. The fact that many of them miss highlights the point that signing a free agent and forfeiting a pick isn’t automatic doom for your minor leagues. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 19, 2022 16:38:42 GMT -6
You don't have to run away from all free agents. You only have to run away from the ones with qualifying offers attached to them when you're trying to rebuild a torched farm system. We signed Abreu, no need to lose a pick. We could have signed Benintendi or Conforto, no loss of pick. Could have retained JV if we wanted. Then there's the trade market. The point is that it's not a choice of either improving the MLB club or keeping your draft picks. We've won four pennants and two rings over the last six years without giving up a single pick to sign a free agent. You can improve the MLB club AND keep your picks. The Pena pick is relevant to the guy before him because it makes the point. At the time this club liked Schroeder more than Pena. They thought he had a better chance of success. They just released him from an A-ball squad and Pena is the WS MVP. You don't give up picks because you have almost no idea which ones are going to make it and which ones aren't. Again, they are like bullets; the fact that many of them miss is what makes it so important to have as many as you can. The fact that many of them miss highlights the point that signing a free agent and forfeiting a pick isn’t automatic doom for your minor leagues. Again, context. We're not talking about losing just one pick, one time, in a vacuum. We're specifically talking about losing one after losing four in recent drafts, and having depleted the farm with lots of graduations and trades. When we have a strong farm again and are farther removed from multiple terrible drafts, then let's talk about if a free agent is worth giving up a high pick for. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2022 16:42:55 GMT -6
The fact that many of them miss highlights the point that signing a free agent and forfeiting a pick isn’t automatic doom for your minor leagues. Again, context. We're not talking about losing just one pick, one time, in a vacuum. We're specifically talking about losing one after losing four in recent drafts, and having depleted the farm with lots of graduations and trades. When we have a strong farm again and are farther removed from multiple terrible drafts, then let's talk about if a free agent is worth giving up a high pick for. My point has always been to spend more on free agents to save the farm. We just disagree on how often the QO free agents should be acquired. Once in a while is fine. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 19, 2022 18:04:01 GMT -6
Again, context. We're not talking about losing just one pick, one time, in a vacuum. We're specifically talking about losing one after losing four in recent drafts, and having depleted the farm with lots of graduations and trades. When we have a strong farm again and are farther removed from multiple terrible drafts, then let's talk about if a free agent is worth giving up a high pick for. My point has always been to spend more on free agents to save the farm. We just disagree on how often the QO free agents should be acquired. Once in a while is fine. Not when the farm is already reeling is my point. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2022 18:55:37 GMT -6
My point has always been to spend more on free agents to save the farm. We just disagree on how often the QO free agents should be acquired. Once in a while is fine. Not when the farm is already reeling is my point. There are things that should be entertained when trying to keep a championship window open. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Dec 20, 2022 7:47:19 GMT -6
Not when the farm is already reeling is my point. There are things that should be entertained when trying to keep a championship window open. The window is wide open right now and will be for at least the next 2-3 seasons. But you're going to close the window down the line if you keep hurting the farm. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 20, 2022 17:54:16 GMT -6
Yanier Diaz is having a hard time in the Dominican Winter League. He has 3 hits… all singles… in 35 AB. He has struck out just 6 times, so at least he is putting the ball in play.
Ronel Blanco is having more success in the DWL. He has pitched 20.2 innings and has not allowed an earned run.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2022 17:56:06 GMT -6
Yanier Diaz is having a hard time in the Dominican Winter League. He has 3 hits… all singles… in 35 AB. He has struck out just 6 times, so at least he is putting the ball in play. Ronel Blanco is having more success in the DWL. He has pitched 20.2 innings and has not allowed an earned run. White guy wins!!! |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jan 3, 2023 11:57:34 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Jan 3, 2023 13:58:54 GMT -6
I don’t know that I would consider Blanco as a prospect at this point. The guy is 29 years old now and has been around for a while. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 3, 2023 15:23:21 GMT -6
I don’t know that I would consider Blanco as a prospect at this point. The guy is 29 years old now and has been around for a while. Might as well trade him. I don’t see a spot for him and the last time he was called up, it wasn’t memorable. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jan 3, 2023 22:38:35 GMT -6
I don’t know that I would consider Blanco as a prospect at this point. The guy is 29 years old now and has been around for a while. Might as well trade him. I don’t see a spot for him and the last time he was called up, it wasn’t memorable. The last time he was called up he got six innings. SIX. And struck out more than a batter per inning. And since then he's thrown almost FIFTY straight scoreless and...you want him gone? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jan 3, 2023 22:38:49 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 3, 2023 22:58:44 GMT -6
Might as well trade him. I don’t see a spot for him and the last time he was called up, it wasn’t memorable. The last time he was called up he got six innings. SIX. And struck out more than a batter per inning. And since then he's thrown almost FIFTY straight scoreless and...you want him gone? I don’t know. Maybe he has value in a trade. Isn’t there a logjam in the majors in the bullpen? |
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